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Popping the GPU Bubble

moondream.ai
197 points·by radq·15일 전·50 comments

Show HN: Moondream, a small vision language model that runs on 8GB of RAM

github.com
9 points·by radq·3년 전·0 comments

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radq
·15일 전·discuss
I'm disappointed with the commentary here. "GPU bubble" is an industry standard term, and literally how I would describe this to my colleagues in the industry. Look for example at the second slide here https://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/2015/Alex_Vlachos_...
radq
·15일 전·discuss
This is what people in the field call it. I'm sorry you're offended.
radq
·15일 전·discuss
Appreciate you saying the blog was nice. Not sure what you mean by "CODEX fingerprints", but I'll engage with the other points. We work on small models, and our customers want real-time inference on modern GPUs. The sub-title says "near-realtime VLM inference". 20-30ms forward passes are a non-starter for these workloads.

If you scroll down to the section titled "A cost model for the bubble", you will find both benchmark results and us saying, "you get back anywhere from a few percent to a third; more the faster your accelerator/model is".
radq
·15일 전·discuss
Thank you for the kind words. We will write and share more of these.
radq
·10개월 전·discuss
The 'point' skill is trained on a ton of UI data; we've heard of a lot of people using it in combination with a bigger driver model for UI automation. We are also planning on post-training it to work end-to-end for this in an agentic setting before the final release -- this was one of the main reasons we increased the model's context length.

Re: chart understanding, there are a lot of different types of charts out there but it does fairly well! We posted benchmarks for ChartQA in the blog but it's on par with GPT5* and slightly better than Gemini 2.5 Flash.

* To be fair to GPT5, it's going to work well on many more types of charts/graphs than Moondream. To be fair to Moondream, GPT5 isn't really well suited to deploy in a lot of vision AI applications due to cost/latency.
radq
·10개월 전·discuss
Thanks! If you could shoot me a note at [email protected] with any examples of the precision/recall issues you saw I'd appreciate it a ton.
radq
·작년·discuss
Cool project! The codebase is simple and well documented, a good starting point for anyone interested in how to implement a high-performance inference engine. The prefix sharing is very relevant for anyone running batch inference to generate RL rollouts.
radq
·2년 전·discuss
Hello folks, I work on moondream. Posted a demo video on twitter for this release: https://x.com/vikhyatk/status/1864727630093934818

Happy to answer any questions!
radq
·2년 전·discuss
Not true, H100s cost $2-3/GPU/hr on the open market.
radq
·2년 전·discuss
Have you considered sponsoring an open-source project? ;)
radq
·2년 전·discuss
1/3rd "activated parameters", while also requiring 2x the VRAM.
radq
·2년 전·discuss
The training technique used here (fitting something similar to a NeRF to different views of the same image) is pretty similar to this paper which uses a similar technique to denoise (instead of upscale) output features: https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.02957
radq
·3년 전·discuss
I'm confused - you posted in the "who wants to be hired" thread, and then got an email from this company asking if you'd be interested?
radq
·3년 전·discuss
Do outlier features emerge in sub-100M parameter models? I haven't seen any research discuss it below the 124M scale (bert-base). At that scale training a model takes ~4 days on an 8xA100 node.