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31 points·by s_weber·3년 전·0 comments

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s_weber
·작년·discuss
You can find more "then and now pictures" (rephotography) on re.photos. It has an archive of around 3000 pictures from around the world. (I developed the website as a final project during my studies. It's a bit dated but still alive and kicking.)

https://www.re.photos/en/compilation/
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
I seem to be missing something here. Which expressions are you referring to as being political jargon, and why? "Multicultural"?
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
I guess the same could be said about capitalism, too. The vision of a society that achieved minimizing exploitation of its members and turned it into a much more cooperative system is quite beautiful, I would say.

The historical reality of both systems is anything but.
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
Memory - in my opinion - is not something that's inherent to consciousness. Rather, it is just another input that can be used by the computation.

I don't think I came up with my own definition here. What I am talking about is the ability to have a qualitative experience. That it feels like something to exist.

I concur that the experience of an AI would substantially differ from ours (e.g. because we have access to memory). But this fact alone can't free us from thinking about ethical implications of our actions. Many animals probably have a substantially different experience as well. Yet, I would argue, we should strive to minimize imparting suffering on them if they are able to experience it.
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
I'm not quite sure I'm following you, sorry.

> Did I create a second consciousness in my mind called ChatJ? Or where does it live?

If you executed the same computation that would give rise to consciousness in another substrate, then I would argue you created consciousness, yes. I don't think that consciousness is a thing you could point at but it's a property of this kind of computation. In the same way that "addition" does not live anywhere but is a property of a specific computation.

> And I obviously made it cry, who did I abuse here?

You didn't make it cry - the textual output just stated so. But if we had reason to believe that you induced a state of suffering here, you would have abused this instance of consciousness. And I don't think it's off track to think about the ethical implications of this, then.

By the way, I don't argue that ChatGPT is conscious or has emotional states. My argument is a general one.
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
I think the absurdity might just stem from the different timescales involved when comparing human consciousness to the "paper consciousness". The differing timescales would make it difficult for us to communicate with or even comprehend such a "being".

But if we agree that consciousness is the product of a computation then the medium on which it is performed should not matter at all. And it should be equally absurd that our consciousness seems to arise from microscopic things conducting electrical and chemical signals. Which is probably a valid view point as well.

The thought experiment is a variation of the Chinese Room, by the way. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
s_weber
·3년 전·discuss
I agree that this would be absurd. But you only arrived at this conclusion by equating consciousness and its content/input. Why would consciousness have to be a non-pure function in your opinion?

I think that consciousness might be an emergent property of (a specific type of?) computation operating on some inputs it is aware of. There doesn't seem to be the need to change anything outside of this computation to me.
s_weber
·4년 전·discuss
The Apple TV does this (reversing and turning on subtitles temporarily) if you ask Siri something along the lines of „What did they say?“.