Both of the headline sentences on the home pages tell me they’re self-hosted.
They both also have cloud options, one focussing more on large scale and features I don’t care about, the other others some sort of hosted instance that’s private.
Tailscsle was never the unlock for me, but I guess I never was the typical use case here.
I have a 1U (or more), sitting in a rack in a local datacenter. I have an IP block to myself.
Those servers are now publicly exposed and only a few ports are exposed for mail, HTTP traffic and SSH (for Git).
I guess my use case also changes in that I don’t use things just for me to consume, select others can consume services I host.
My definition here of self-hosting isn’t that I and I only can access my services; that’s be me having a server at home which has some non critical things on it.
When I was a manager at Amazon, I asked my engineers to keep a list of what they were proud of throughout the year, as it’d be used in annual and mid year reviews..
They both also have cloud options, one focussing more on large scale and features I don’t care about, the other others some sort of hosted instance that’s private.
Sorry, doesn’t help me