Windows 11 upgrade tool that bypasses Microsoft´s requirements(github.com)
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Windows 11 upgrade tool that bypasses Microsoft´s requirements
https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade
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The Image File Execution Options's "Debugger" key works in an extremely simple way - it literally intercepts process creation, takes whatever's in the "Debuggers" key, and prepends it to the command-line to run. If that thing is not a Debugger, it means you effectively get to hook whenever a process is created and Do Something.
This is a great way to nerf a program You Don't Like (i.e. corporate antivirus), because you can write `Please Die` (or literally anything really) in the Debuggers line, and because the resulting command-line is invalid, the CreateProcess call simply fails, yet every integrity check for verifying the file still exists and its ACLs are set still pass.
This is a great way to nerf a program You Don't Like (i.e. corporate antivirus), because you can write `Please Die` (or literally anything really) in the Debuggers line, and because the resulting command-line is invalid, the CreateProcess call simply fails, yet every integrity check for verifying the file still exists and its ACLs are set still pass.
As you mentioned, you'll still need Secure Boot (or at least, UEFI boot) + GPT.
I don’t think I understand what the motivation is for consumers to install Windows 11. It seems like exclusively new requirements and zero new features over Windows 10. With that understanding, other than for a fun intellectual exercise, I’m not sure why you would try to install it by bypassing Microsoft’s requirements list.
I'm running it right now, and I cannot tell you why.
It has a lot of incomplete ideas and feels really unfinished. I think Windows 11 could be worthwhile next year after it is more finished/polished and the Amazon/Android app store is available; but as of today you're just volunteering to be an unpaid tester for unfinished software.
Pretty obvious Microsoft just rushed it out in time for Christmas, so their OEM partners could sell "Windows 11 Compatible" PCs. Feels like they didn't learn much from Vista in that the stigma an OS ships with hangs around its neck forever.
It has a lot of incomplete ideas and feels really unfinished. I think Windows 11 could be worthwhile next year after it is more finished/polished and the Amazon/Android app store is available; but as of today you're just volunteering to be an unpaid tester for unfinished software.
Pretty obvious Microsoft just rushed it out in time for Christmas, so their OEM partners could sell "Windows 11 Compatible" PCs. Feels like they didn't learn much from Vista in that the stigma an OS ships with hangs around its neck forever.
Update last night updated Outlook's UI, now the top bar is taking up way too much vertical space that I had to configure ribbon to autohide to not have 20% of vertical space eaten up. Just adds on to start bar being stuck at bottom as opposed to the left where I liked it. No respect for vertical space
That's something I never understood. Why do designers always do that thing? Do they not use the products they design?
I believe it's because designers in large corporations feel the need to continuously justify their own employment and their salaries. So things change not because users request them, but because someone somewhere has to justify being a lead UI designer and their $$$ salary - and nonsense like moving the start menu to the middle ends up being "their thing" purely because they had the mental strength to push it through endless meetings and reviews and someone finally said fine ok we'll do this.
I see the same thing literally all the time with Google products, every revision of YouTube/Google photos/drive/android/Gmail just shuffles thing around without any obvious reasoning behind it, it's just "well, time for a new update, let's move things around again".
I see the same thing literally all the time with Google products, every revision of YouTube/Google photos/drive/android/Gmail just shuffles thing around without any obvious reasoning behind it, it's just "well, time for a new update, let's move things around again".
there is also a lot of bikeshedding around design at the management and executive level, and it is constant. ("Can we make it pop?", "It just doesn't feel right", "but the iPhone does it this way," etc.)
At least looking at people I've worked with in design, fighting your client constantly is not a good idea if you want to have a roof over your head. They'll just find someone willing to say yes.
At least looking at people I've worked with in design, fighting your client constantly is not a good idea if you want to have a roof over your head. They'll just find someone willing to say yes.
It's become so annoying I dread weekly sync-ups now. It feels like an hour-long UI QA session.
The sad part is that those hothead UX designers could be earning their keep if they figured out a way to have some radical UI while maintaining concurrency with a historic UI that could be switched by the user.
Designers at the corporate level with the power of, say, Jony Ive at Apple are extremely rare.
From working with designers and in frontend, it is probably management or executive level keeping up with the Joneses.
From working with designers and in frontend, it is probably management or executive level keeping up with the Joneses.
This drives me absolutely nuts too. There is just too much pressure from various different job functions within companies to constantly change things even if it doesn't actually improve the customer's experience. People don't want to maintain old products, they want to work on something new. Compensation and promotions are dependent on shipping a fancy new product (looking at you Google). Management pressures people below them to change something even though they don't understand the customer's needs. I'm sure you could come up with a dozen more reasons.
This has gotten so much worse now that everything is a subscription web service and you can't continue using the product unless you accept whatever crappy redesign they have pushed out this time that took away the feature you liked using or the workflow you are used to.
This has gotten so much worse now that everything is a subscription web service and you can't continue using the product unless you accept whatever crappy redesign they have pushed out this time that took away the feature you liked using or the workflow you are used to.
So annoying because every monitor I have has more horizontal space than vertical.
I had to install windows to get access to some CAD programs, but comments like this really reinforce my decision to not use it as my main OS. There are so many things that are anti-user, and extremely difficult to modify. What are some of reasons to use windows, other than for niche applications that don't work under wine?
I have not had great luck with speech recognition on Linux, but I suspect that will be solved before there's a compelling reason to use Windows other than having no other choice due to niche applications.
If it wasn't for running AAA games natively, I would happily ditch windows. The day most AAA games come out on Metal API for mac, I'll gladly switch.
If it's only AAA games, you should be able to get by on Linux _quite_ well these days, if that strikes your fancy better than Windows.
I actually can't remember the last game I tried that didn't work. You may want to look up the compatability of the last few you played though just to make sure your genre(s) won't get a lot worse milage than what I play.
I actually can't remember the last game I tried that didn't work. You may want to look up the compatability of the last few you played though just to make sure your genre(s) won't get a lot worse milage than what I play.
Genshin is a famous example these days, even though I don't play it.
Going on a tangent here, the decision for a consumer whether to adopt Win11 aside, it seems to me the whole raison d'être for Win11 rather than continuing to build on Win10 is exactly the additional requirements. They likely want laptops being sold running Win11 to have sane security capabilities for corporate use out of the box. Other that that there's no reason why they can't continue building on Win10.
> They likely want laptops being sold running Win11 to have sane security capabilities for corporate use out of the box
Corporate security has been fine for years: TPM 1.2 (if I remember the versions correctly) alongside bitlocker and sensible corporate policies render computers all but impervious to everything. However, this implies a competent IT division in your company... I've worked in plenty without them!
Social engineering or clicking a dodgy link/download is probably a bigger threat than someone hacking your computer and that can be mitigated to a huge extent by restricting access to only the things that the user needs, locking down apps, running with low privileges, auditing relevant things etc... again, competent IT division needed for this too.
Now, if your threat matrix includes nation-states then one could argue that any device is hackable.
My take is that hardware vendors saw the writing on the wall with the pandemic-buying about to ease-up and worked with Microsoft (or pressured them...) to help out. We're already seeing Chromebooks on the wane[0].
From my perspective (long-time Windows guy now on Fedora) I see nothing of value in Windows 11 that 10 didn't have already.
Edit: Forgot the answer I was gonna write :)
[0] - https://chromeunboxed.com/canalys-report-chromebook-sales-do...
Corporate security has been fine for years: TPM 1.2 (if I remember the versions correctly) alongside bitlocker and sensible corporate policies render computers all but impervious to everything. However, this implies a competent IT division in your company... I've worked in plenty without them!
Social engineering or clicking a dodgy link/download is probably a bigger threat than someone hacking your computer and that can be mitigated to a huge extent by restricting access to only the things that the user needs, locking down apps, running with low privileges, auditing relevant things etc... again, competent IT division needed for this too.
Now, if your threat matrix includes nation-states then one could argue that any device is hackable.
My take is that hardware vendors saw the writing on the wall with the pandemic-buying about to ease-up and worked with Microsoft (or pressured them...) to help out. We're already seeing Chromebooks on the wane[0].
From my perspective (long-time Windows guy now on Fedora) I see nothing of value in Windows 11 that 10 didn't have already.
Edit: Forgot the answer I was gonna write :)
[0] - https://chromeunboxed.com/canalys-report-chromebook-sales-do...
What they want is to sneak Palladium in through the back door. The future of the x86 platform is a signed code path from power-on to application code. Even Linux thought leaders, like Lennart and Matthew Garrett, are on board with this idea. The problem is, as we learned with ActiveX, code signing cannot attest that code is safe, only that it came from a particular place. But then again, the goal of verifying where code comes from is not safety, it's control over who gets to run code on the platform. And who has that control? Who is the only CA recognized as authoritative by hardware OEMs for Secure Boot purposes?
Microsoft.
Remember, you run Linux on modern hardware only because Microsoft allows you to. Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim, and if you disabled Secure Boot, it's only because a Microsoft policy gave you the ability to disable it -- a policy they can later reverse.
Microsoft.
Remember, you run Linux on modern hardware only because Microsoft allows you to. Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim, and if you disabled Secure Boot, it's only because a Microsoft policy gave you the ability to disable it -- a policy they can later reverse.
> Remember, you run Linux on modern hardware only because Microsoft allows you to.
Factually wrong.
Any regular PC owner can run Linux on modern x86 hardware in at least three ways:
- Legacy BIOS MBR boot
- UEFI boot
- UEFI secure boot
Only the last one of those three options requires a signed shim, and only if you don’t enrol your own keys.
> Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim, and if you disabled Secure Boot, it's only because a Microsoft policy gave you the ability to disable it -- a policy they can later reverse.
This FUS has been repeated the last 10 years+ and it gets less convincing every year.
No OEM or PC vendor wants to limit their amount of potential in what is already a cut-margin business.
Taking away the ability to disable secure boot or taking away the legacy BIOS boot option will only cost them customers, and they literally have nothing to gain.
Factually wrong.
Any regular PC owner can run Linux on modern x86 hardware in at least three ways:
- Legacy BIOS MBR boot
- UEFI boot
- UEFI secure boot
Only the last one of those three options requires a signed shim, and only if you don’t enrol your own keys.
> Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim, and if you disabled Secure Boot, it's only because a Microsoft policy gave you the ability to disable it -- a policy they can later reverse.
This FUS has been repeated the last 10 years+ and it gets less convincing every year.
No OEM or PC vendor wants to limit their amount of potential in what is already a cut-margin business.
Taking away the ability to disable secure boot or taking away the legacy BIOS boot option will only cost them customers, and they literally have nothing to gain.
Microsoft could just not give discounts to computer suppliers that don't have UEFI secure boot on forced on.
I definitely recall Microsoft killing hardware manufacturers putting Linux on the machines that they sold by mandating that if they put Linux on any consumer desktop they would not get the OEM discount for a Windows licence for any computer they sold. It stopped new non Windows PC sales dead at the time IIRC. This was something like over a decade ago.
I definitely recall Microsoft killing hardware manufacturers putting Linux on the machines that they sold by mandating that if they put Linux on any consumer desktop they would not get the OEM discount for a Windows licence for any computer they sold. It stopped new non Windows PC sales dead at the time IIRC. This was something like over a decade ago.
Too true. This is why I hate that both Debian and Ubuntu sign their packages. They're trying to control us, man! /s
Debian and Ubuntu's package managers want to attest that packages they install come from Debian/Ubuntu repositories, or from third-party repos the user trusts. Which is reasonable. You can install third-party software yourself, or compile your own binaries without signing anything, on those systems and they'll still run.
Operating systems with "signed binaries or GTFO" policies are not really protecting the user. Any protection the user receives is a secondary concern to the fact that the OS vendor wants to control what the user runs on the device.
Operating systems with "signed binaries or GTFO" policies are not really protecting the user. Any protection the user receives is a secondary concern to the fact that the OS vendor wants to control what the user runs on the device.
Wrong, totally wrong!
They want to finally be able to do a walled garden like what is done with osx.
So far, users did not use their shitty store because they had alternatives.
So far, users did not use their shitty store because they had alternatives.
They have to keep up the streak of flubbing up every other release of Windows.
What's really frustrating, is it broke most games. Valorant straight out doesn't run, csgo crashes like crazy.
It feels like a beta.
Auto HDR is nice. New Microsoft Store isn't doomed to fail like the original "new app types only" mess but it's severely limited in increased utility until they finish the Android portion they promised which didn't make the initial release. The native window tiling and set options are much improved, especially for larger displays. The redesigned Settings app feels like an actual improvement on Control Panel rather than just a touch focused replacement. Also support for new hardware designs like performance/efficiency core sets coming out now.
But if you're looking for groundbreaking features you just have to move over for there aren't any. It's really more a "standard 6 month Windows update that happens to represent the next compatibility/support group" than "a brand new Windows version after the last one sat stale for many years" type upgrade. As Windows 10 nears its end of life I suspect the disparity will grow more but as of now I'd take Windows 11 as heralding what is going to be supported for new features for the next 10 years not as an instant revolution in features you're missing out if you don't jump to it immediately at release.
As such these projects will become much more useful/interesting in about a year or two but it's good they have been started now.
But if you're looking for groundbreaking features you just have to move over for there aren't any. It's really more a "standard 6 month Windows update that happens to represent the next compatibility/support group" than "a brand new Windows version after the last one sat stale for many years" type upgrade. As Windows 10 nears its end of life I suspect the disparity will grow more but as of now I'd take Windows 11 as heralding what is going to be supported for new features for the next 10 years not as an instant revolution in features you're missing out if you don't jump to it immediately at release.
As such these projects will become much more useful/interesting in about a year or two but it's good they have been started now.
> The native window tiling and set options are much improved, especially for larger displays.
This is the killer feature IME. I'd pay for a new license even if this was the only new feature since I get so much mileage out of it in my setup.
This is the killer feature IME. I'd pay for a new license even if this was the only new feature since I get so much mileage out of it in my setup.
I'm running it, and most of the things I like probably fall under "consumer" than not. The biggest things I like are cosmetic; the rounded windows, smoother (easier to read? seems like it) fonts, there's changes to the right-click menu and other places with explorer that make more sense (to me) than Windows 10 once you get used to them.
I thought I was going to be a die-hard 10-or-linux person but then when I learned that rufus has an install option to by-pass the checks I decided I wanted to try it out and I continue to use it because of cosmetics, and because I'm assuming it will be supported (at least for security -that's all I care about) longer than windows 10.
10 will expire before 11 so I'd rather get used to 11 now.
The WSL graphics capability is nice too -in theory. In practice I haven't used it ...yet.
I thought I was going to be a die-hard 10-or-linux person but then when I learned that rufus has an install option to by-pass the checks I decided I wanted to try it out and I continue to use it because of cosmetics, and because I'm assuming it will be supported (at least for security -that's all I care about) longer than windows 10.
10 will expire before 11 so I'd rather get used to 11 now.
The WSL graphics capability is nice too -in theory. In practice I haven't used it ...yet.
I've noticed a couple of bug fixes that were in Windows 10 insider builds were recently touted as Windows 11 exclusive improvements. So if one of those bugs affect you, that's a reason.
Otherwise, it's the same as it always is: new software or new modes for software will increasingly become incompatible with Windows 10 and earlier over the next few years. Some future directx feature will be win11 exclusive and will be critical to performance sooner or later.
Otherwise, it's the same as it always is: new software or new modes for software will increasingly become incompatible with Windows 10 and earlier over the next few years. Some future directx feature will be win11 exclusive and will be critical to performance sooner or later.
I installed it exclusively for WSL2 CUDA/GPU support (for ML). This was previously only available in an Insiders build of Windows 10, and I got tired of waiting over a year for Microsoft to keep delaying it.
It probably wasn't worth it, since now I just have a worse version of Windows 10.
It probably wasn't worth it, since now I just have a worse version of Windows 10.
My laptop was capable of upgrading to Win11 and WSLg was my main motivation. I like the mix of Windows and Linux and having Linux graphics and pulseaudio mixed in with native Windows. This most likely wouldn't be described as a "consumer feature". More important for me are some opencv projects I have: You get access to your GPU compute. I can install CUDA+DNN on my WSL2 Debian. This is compelling IMO.
An option you can consider by sticking with Win10 is to either wait for Win10 21H2 or join the Insider Program Preview to get it now. Win10 21H2 gives you GPU compute access (no graphics or pulseaudio). On an older machine, I was able to build opencv-4.5 and leverage CUDA+DNN just like on Win11.
EDIT: Win10 21H2 should be released this month. The fact that it is in the Preview Channel means it's most likely a final build.
An option you can consider by sticking with Win10 is to either wait for Win10 21H2 or join the Insider Program Preview to get it now. Win10 21H2 gives you GPU compute access (no graphics or pulseaudio). On an older machine, I was able to build opencv-4.5 and leverage CUDA+DNN just like on Win11.
EDIT: Win10 21H2 should be released this month. The fact that it is in the Preview Channel means it's most likely a final build.
Why can't you just do ML in Windows? All common Python packages are supported. WSL2 CUDA probably gonna come with some overhead.
I'm sure it's possible, but I was trying to use Stylegan2, which I spent way too many hours fiddling with trying to get it to work in Windows.
I'm sure it was something simple I was doing wrong, but everyone I asked just went "just use Linux, Windows isn't recommended".
I'm sure it was something simple I was doing wrong, but everyone I asked just went "just use Linux, Windows isn't recommended".
From my perspective, it has some great new features. WSLg and WSA, for example.
WSLg worked just fine on Win10
How so? https://github.com/microsoft/wslg#pre-requisites It used to be on the insider preview, but that has moved to 11.
"Worked", past tense.
I installed it to be able to mount my Linux partition in wsl (note that this requires it to be on a separate disk btw).
It's been smooth sailing, apart from that they reorganized the UI a bit, mostly in nice ways, and upgrading didn't seem that much different from a normal windows update.
It's been smooth sailing, apart from that they reorganized the UI a bit, mostly in nice ways, and upgrading didn't seem that much different from a normal windows update.
Microsoft isn’t certain they can leverage TPM the way they want so they are not inclined to spend money promoting it yet want to get it established as quickly and deeply as possible.
I expect they will end up with what they deserve, i.e. nothing.
I expect they will end up with what they deserve, i.e. nothing.
Dear god, I hope you're right ...
The curse of Microsoft is having piss-poor timing, early or late. This shot is way too early. Don’t worry, they saved a shit-ton of money by not betting big on TPM yet. Even if it’s a boring roll out with a slow adoption rate, they can run the clock. They are in no hurry as long as they set the direction.
I mean. It goes to 11!
You might wonder, why they don't just make 10 louder.
But it goes to 11!
You might wonder, why they don't just make 10 louder.
But it goes to 11!
Well, I guess Windows 11 isn't for you! I'm glad you're happy with Windows 10, or perhaps another operating system that runs on Industry Standard platforms. For the rest of us, this is an interesting option.
>It seems like exclusively new requirements and zero new features over Windows 10.
I'm confused by your statement. Were you trying to be snarky or were you commenting without actually informing yourself regarding the two OSs? Because the difference in features between Win 10 and 11 is just a quick Google search away.
Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.
Yes, Windows 11 is pretty useless over Windows 10 if you have a previous gen system, but if you're buying a brand spanking new PC with Alder Lake or Direct Storage and are a hardcore gamer then it makes sense to go directly to Windows 11 to get the new shiny features (provided you experience no bugs on 11 that haven't been ironed out yet).
There are some other nice touches in Win11 like WSLg and the OS restoring your windows positions on multi monitor setups as they were between an undock - dock cycle of your laptop.
I'm confused by your statement. Were you trying to be snarky or were you commenting without actually informing yourself regarding the two OSs? Because the difference in features between Win 10 and 11 is just a quick Google search away.
Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.
Yes, Windows 11 is pretty useless over Windows 10 if you have a previous gen system, but if you're buying a brand spanking new PC with Alder Lake or Direct Storage and are a hardcore gamer then it makes sense to go directly to Windows 11 to get the new shiny features (provided you experience no bugs on 11 that haven't been ironed out yet).
There are some other nice touches in Win11 like WSLg and the OS restoring your windows positions on multi monitor setups as they were between an undock - dock cycle of your laptop.
> Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.
Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the new shiny!
I'm not saying it's wrong, companies need to get new money in to keep going, but those features hardly merited a "new" OS :)
Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the new shiny!
I'm not saying it's wrong, companies need to get new money in to keep going, but those features hardly merited a "new" OS :)
>so that people would buy the new shiny!
Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by them". It does not cost the users anything.
Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by them". It does not cost the users anything.
> It does not cost the users anything.
It does: Try creating a a local account on the Home version! You can't. You must create a Microsoft account which ties you Microsoft. You may not be physically handing over $ but you are using their ecosystem. Your actions are now recorded, categorized, analysed and then M$ make more money from them.
There is no way in hell they will give you an OS for $0 unless there is a way to make money from you. None.
Look, I'm not being cynical or negative about it! I'm just putting it in perspective. If people wanna do it then go for it. It's not for me.
This isn't just a Microsoft thing, companies that give you something for nothing are making money from you somehow! Or else they won't be around long.
It does: Try creating a a local account on the Home version! You can't. You must create a Microsoft account which ties you Microsoft. You may not be physically handing over $ but you are using their ecosystem. Your actions are now recorded, categorized, analysed and then M$ make more money from them.
There is no way in hell they will give you an OS for $0 unless there is a way to make money from you. None.
Look, I'm not being cynical or negative about it! I'm just putting it in perspective. If people wanna do it then go for it. It's not for me.
This isn't just a Microsoft thing, companies that give you something for nothing are making money from you somehow! Or else they won't be around long.
Just consider the cheapest version of windows 7 home was like $150 bucks USD in 2008.
They aren’t apple. And Microsoft has randomly shut down hotmail/outlook accounts of mine for using a different IP (ie: proxying through a linode when on public wifi) and then made it so recovery wasn’t possible. It locked me out of an Xbox account
Years later I was able to recover it, but I will not rely on any of their services for anything I deem important. Ever again.
They aren’t apple. And Microsoft has randomly shut down hotmail/outlook accounts of mine for using a different IP (ie: proxying through a linode when on public wifi) and then made it so recovery wasn’t possible. It locked me out of an Xbox account
Years later I was able to recover it, but I will not rely on any of their services for anything I deem important. Ever again.
Still cost you nothing at all since you can stay on win10 home for as long as you want or basically for as long as your hardware does work for you. If you buy new hardware with windows 11 on it you pay for it but that would be exactly the same if the new hardware would come with win10. And it perfectly reasonable since the license is for the hardware and new hardware needs a new license.
There is still no additional cost anywhere as upgrade is entirely free AND optional.
Beside that Windows 10 Home "requires" an account too since the May 2019 update but it can be bypassed and so can the account "requirement" to install windows 11 home, its all just one search away for the people who care. Most dont but that's another topic.
Beside that Windows 10 Home "requires" an account too since the May 2019 update but it can be bypassed and so can the account "requirement" to install windows 11 home, its all just one search away for the people who care. Most dont but that's another topic.
> Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by them". It does not cost the users anything.
Except for the bit that's the entire point of this tool: they dropped support for a ton of systems.
For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).
Except for the bit that's the entire point of this tool: they dropped support for a ton of systems.
For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).
The tool is useless you dont need it at all. Someone even wrote an GitHub issue about that but the owner deleted it.
MS has detailed steps on the official website how you can install or update on unsupported hardware. They dont prevent anyone from running windows 11. They simply wont provide support if you run it on older hardware. Beside that they didn not drop support for "tons of systems" quiet the opposite they committed to provide updates to windows 10 for almost 5 years (likely to be extended). By then hardware not officially supported by windows 11 will be at least 7 years old.
>For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).
How so? You dont need to upgrade nor buy a new hardware. If you want to that's entirely on you and has nothing to do with windows 11. The only reason to buy new hardware is if the old does not work for your use-case anymore or if support runs out in 5 years but chances are you replaced the hardware due to age long before that.
>For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).
How so? You dont need to upgrade nor buy a new hardware. If you want to that's entirely on you and has nothing to do with windows 11. The only reason to buy new hardware is if the old does not work for your use-case anymore or if support runs out in 5 years but chances are you replaced the hardware due to age long before that.
>Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the new shiny!
Well yes of course, obviously, but I was not trying to defend Microsoft's choice here, just pointing out the feature difference between them as great-grandparent was being vocally critical without doing any prior research beforehand or he was just being intentionally snarky to score karma points from the Microsoft/Windows 11 hate mob.
Well yes of course, obviously, but I was not trying to defend Microsoft's choice here, just pointing out the feature difference between them as great-grandparent was being vocally critical without doing any prior research beforehand or he was just being intentionally snarky to score karma points from the Microsoft/Windows 11 hate mob.
In addition to the fact that MS had previously said Windows 10 would be the 'last' Windows
I don't think that was ever an official message, besides what some employees said on non-official terms in the past[0].
0:https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...
0:https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...
"fact"?
WSL available in Windows Explorer and other WSL related updates are nice.
Well I am quite happy with some new features, like WSLg, the inbuilt android emulator which isn't that great but works well enough, and possibility of future updates.
and then.. they changed the touch keyboard and it is WAY shittier now, the taskbar is constantly weird and ugh. I just wish I could choose what features I want without updating everything
and then.. they changed the touch keyboard and it is WAY shittier now, the taskbar is constantly weird and ugh. I just wish I could choose what features I want without updating everything
I installed it on my 4 year old top end gaming PC because Microsoft told me not to. Simple as that.
And regarding the new features that are there (i.e. the stuff that's not pointless UI fluff), the most useful ones (for me personally, the WSL improvements) are being backported to 10 anyway.
I actually completely agree after upgrading. Very trivial differences over 10. At least it forced me to upgrade from MBR to GPT and UEFI boot.
* It's different, so it's better.
* FOMO.
* "Modern"
* FOMO.
* "Modern"
Pretty pixels
The best technique to do this, which I just used tonight is to use the Windows 10 media creation tool to create a USB installer. Then use the Windows 11 media creation tool to download the Windows 11 ISO. Then copy the install.esd from the sources folder of the Windows 11 ISO over the one on the Windows 10 USB stick.
That creates a Windows 11 installer that works on any PC that meets the requirements for Windows 10. At first this installer will even say that it's installing Windows 10, but it actually installs its esd payload, which is Windows 11.
That creates a Windows 11 installer that works on any PC that meets the requirements for Windows 10. At first this installer will even say that it's installing Windows 10, but it actually installs its esd payload, which is Windows 11.
I feel like I should create this on a USB stick right now before it stops working (they could change the tools). But I also have no incentive to ever want to install Windows 11, unless they drop the TPM requirements.
why cant they have iso file links on their website like same humans? every hoarder should have the chance to hoard windows isos
if the user agent is linux, they provide the isos. Otherwise they want you to use their creation tool.
a more esoteric version is to boot to the windows 11 iso and use the command prompt to bypass the install wizard and manually install the system through DISM and related friends.
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Microsoft provides also their own instructions on bypassing some of the requirements: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-...
Looks like you by-pass CPU family and model check and go with TPM 1.2 instead of the required 2.0.
Looks like you by-pass CPU family and model check and go with TPM 1.2 instead of the required 2.0.
Maybe I'd consider using such a tool in 2025 when Windows 10 runs out of support. Until then, the idea to install Windows 11 on an unsupported machine seems crazy to me. Who would do that? I haven't heard of a single feature Windows 11 has that would make using it desirable. Does it even have new features?
[Not that I'd need new features in any OS, just wondering what motivates people to upgrade voluntarily.]
[Not that I'd need new features in any OS, just wondering what motivates people to upgrade voluntarily.]
> Does it even have new features?
To name just two examples: Windows Subsystem for Android, nested virtualization support for AMD processors.
To name just two examples: Windows Subsystem for Android, nested virtualization support for AMD processors.
Don't know about new features. I installed it on an older machine purely out of curiosity. Subjectively, it feels snappier than Windows 10, and this was actually an upgrade (as opposed to a fresh install).
I'm not sure the OS itself is quicker, it's possible they've only tweaked animation speed, but it does have an effect on my perception. Also, bonus points for the taskbar not popping up anymore when an app requires attention (say incoming chat message) while in auto-hide mode. This used to drive me up a wall under 10.
Then again, I'm not a heavy Windows user, I basically only use it for gaming, so YMMV.
I'm not sure the OS itself is quicker, it's possible they've only tweaked animation speed, but it does have an effect on my perception. Also, bonus points for the taskbar not popping up anymore when an app requires attention (say incoming chat message) while in auto-hide mode. This used to drive me up a wall under 10.
Then again, I'm not a heavy Windows user, I basically only use it for gaming, so YMMV.
i know two people in office who use win 10 non debloated version, the explorer "feels" slow to load. reminds me of days gone by
Another method is to download the iso from Microsoft using uupdump.net (you can download the Pro version, which lets you choose a local account while installing) and then prepare the bootable usb stick with Rufus, which now have the image option "Extended Windows 11 Installation (no TPM/no Secure Boot/8GB- RAM)". I tested it and it just works.
Imho Microsoft’s requirements are the perfect excuse not to install Win11. I have a 10th generation cpu, and I’ve purposefully disabled TPM so to avoid the OS upgrading by itself, or nagging me to update.
Didn't work for us on the skip-ahead ring. WU queued up an update to Windows 10 22000 w/ no mention it was Windows 11. Installed on my 10yo T430.
I'd be worried about Microsoft's comment that unsupported copies might not get security updates...
I wonder how this will play out. It was my understanding that the whole forced updates on Windows 10, free upgrade from 7 / 8, etc were meant to cut down on the number of people running old, unpatched versions.
For what it's worth, I installed Win 11 on an unsupported computer (4th gen Xeon, no tpm) out of curiosity and I did get updates. Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen forever.
For what it's worth, I installed Win 11 on an unsupported computer (4th gen Xeon, no tpm) out of curiosity and I did get updates. Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen forever.
I'd assume long term they're going to do more with TPMs. Once they start pushing patches that require a TPM, unsupported configurations won't be able to receive that update.
My 10yo notebook (TPM 1.2) wound up with it via insider. Since updating, my security updates went from 1-3/wk to 1/mo.
Are you still on insider? Isn't that more related to the fact that it went from "beta" / preview to "ready"?
I used to be on the Win10 insider ring for a few months a while back, to try WSL2 and I seem to remember updates were more frequent. Otherwise, I seem to get one update per month for a regular win10 pro install.
I used to be on the Win10 insider ring for a few months a while back, to try WSL2 and I seem to remember updates were more frequent. Otherwise, I seem to get one update per month for a regular win10 pro install.
I think I was kicked out because my T430 doesn't meet the requirements of Win 11 (that I was duped into installing).
I bypassed the checks and installed in a Virtualbox a month or so ago, and it's been updating just fine.
I don't see them seriously blocking non-conforming installs as it would essential rule out all virtual machines.
I don't see them seriously blocking non-conforming installs as it would essential rule out all virtual machines.
There are various 'passthrough' approaches to let a virtual machine have access to the hosts TPM. In the future, that may become mandatory.
I don't see the point in this at all. There's no way for software to authenticate what is and isn't a legitimate TPM, that's not how they work.
Look up "device attestation". It basically let's software verify its talking to a hardware TPM made by a whitelisted manufacturer rather than an emulated TPM.
All kinds of DRM schemes want to do that to be sure they can't be run in an emulator.
All kinds of DRM schemes want to do that to be sure they can't be run in an emulator.
Device attestation just proves you have realtime access to a legitimate device, and only makes sense where the other end of the transaction is trusted. Locally running software is never trusted.
Its uses are mostly confined to authentication between corporate issued laptops and corporate VPN servers.
Its uses are mostly confined to authentication between corporate issued laptops and corporate VPN servers.
I have a laptop that has secure boot and a tpm 2 chip, but microsofts tool said the cpu was too weedy to run windows 11.
Switching to the dev track in windows update seemed to change their mind and it updated to 11 anyway.
I would try that first if you are just stuck on the cpu requirement.
Switching to the dev track in windows update seemed to change their mind and it updated to 11 anyway.
I would try that first if you are just stuck on the cpu requirement.
It may come to Windows 10 but AAC Bluetooth support with proper microphone switching is a huge upgrade. If you have Sony XM4 headphones the switch to 11 is worth it.
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Is this embedding something to Win11 iso?
Is this any different than setting those bypass registry keys manually, like in this article?
https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/post/install-microso...
Is this any different than setting those bypass registry keys manually, like in this article?
https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/post/install-microso...
Nice :) Feature request : Make windows a proper operating system where you are not the product being exploited.
That's the slipstreamed, highly modified pirate versions with spying/updates disabled. You'll have to torrent it and put in a bit of working keeping it up to date but it's the least worst way.
No doubt MS will have their subsidiary Github remove coofcookie's Windows11Upgradetool and soon it will only be available for pirate users.
No doubt MS will have their subsidiary Github remove coofcookie's Windows11Upgradetool and soon it will only be available for pirate users.
The tool is useless. Bypass instruction for the TPM checks etc. are on MS website since release day.
Anyone with basic windows knowledge could do it since the win11 iso leaked.
> No doubt MS will have their subsidiary Github remove coofcookie's Windows11Upgradetool and soon it will only be available for pirate users.
Extreme doubt really considering they haven't even removed MAS https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts after nearly 2 years.
Extreme doubt really considering they haven't even removed MAS https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts after nearly 2 years.
Don't forget about https://github.com/Wind4/vlmcsd which is extremely lightweight and mimics a KMS activation server. You can even run it in a Docker image.
One of our support guys asked me what we were doing about Windows 11. I said we should upgrade a machine and try our core applications out, but otherwise let's talk about it in a year or so.
I keep asking myself what happened. I think it is age. New OS's used to be exciting
I keep asking myself what happened. I think it is age. New OS's used to be exciting
Why? What is the benefit of upgrading to Windows 11? It seems like literally more of the same.
WSL2 got a big upgrade they developed for Windows 10 initially but then pushed to Windows 11.
So the benefit of upgrading to Windows 11 is .... Linux ?
And the (upcoming) Android app support, for double irony.
WSL2 is undoubtedly the most exciting addition with 11... and the vast majority of users do not care or even know about it. I would hardly call that a benefit worthy of a major new operating system version. That same audience also probably doesn't have the necessary hardware to even upgrade so who is this OS for?
Yeah WSL2 and the promised android apps support seem really interesting.
It sets HKLM\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup\AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU=1 which is mentioned by Microsoft in https://support.microsoft.com/windows/ways-to-install-window... which seems reasonable.
According to the comment, the rest of the script "uses IFEO to attach to Virtual Disk Service Loader process running during setup, then erases appraiserres.dll [...] it must also do some ping-pong renaming of vdsldr in system32\11" Could anyone explain this in more detail?
Also note, according to https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat/issues/11 it skips the CPU and TPM checks, but not the Secure Boot checks.