Ze Frank's Kickstarter post-mortem(zefrank.tumblr.com)
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Ze Frank's Kickstarter post-mortem
http://zefrank.tumblr.com/post/20122841731/kickstarter-post-mortem
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Other than being an awesome exposition of a Kickstarter project, this is an example of incredibly valuable feedback. Now thinking what I can do to stimulate even a fraction of this level of customer feedback in my startup...
>Now thinking what I can do to stimulate even a fraction of this level of customer feedback in my startup...
giving your customers $150k is probably a good starting point.
kickstarter is another of those online businesses that challenges the traditional definition of customer and supplier. Ze Frank isn't really their customer in this instance, he's more like a supplier, providing a service worth a large amount of money to kickstarter's customers (the donors). that much feedback from standard customers isn't really something you can expect, but if your startup has any transactions of that scale it's not unreasonable to ask for a meeting to get very detailed feedback as part of your contract.
giving your customers $150k is probably a good starting point.
kickstarter is another of those online businesses that challenges the traditional definition of customer and supplier. Ze Frank isn't really their customer in this instance, he's more like a supplier, providing a service worth a large amount of money to kickstarter's customers (the donors). that much feedback from standard customers isn't really something you can expect, but if your startup has any transactions of that scale it's not unreasonable to ask for a meeting to get very detailed feedback as part of your contract.
Agreed. I really appreciated his candidness about the whole process. For example, I've often wondered how the whole give away a t-shirt thing makes any sense considering the work that has to go into shipping them and the relatively higher cost to produce the prize for the backers.
And I've seen the waterfalling prizes before, where you could end up with several things for what seems to negate your original backing offer. Ze Frank's word of warning here is incredibly valuable.
And I've seen the waterfalling prizes before, where you could end up with several things for what seems to negate your original backing offer. Ze Frank's word of warning here is incredibly valuable.
Can I just say, I'm incredibly excited for the (new) show!
> The $133,000 will be taxable income for this year in addition to any personal income I have.
I'm not sure about US tax, but wouldn't it make sense to incorporate a company to handle the money?
I'm not sure about US tax, but wouldn't it make sense to incorporate a company to handle the money?
He must have already filed at least as a sole proprietorship. The first benefits to becoming an LLC or an S-corp is the liability limitation: it lets you distinguish between your assets and the business's assets in a legal sense, so you don't (for example) lose your house because your company gets sued. The next benefit is business-related tax deductions. This goes hand-in-hand with business-related tax complications, so if he isn't planning on taking deductions and can't see a legal need for separating his business assets, it might be amounting to a more complex (and therefore expensive) tax situation for no tangible benefit. Of course, other things he may decide to do (such as hiring employees or issuing stock) could force him to incorporate.
I'd be surprised if it didn't make more sense to become at least an LLC, but tax law is complex. If I were him I'd do whatever my accountant told me to do.
I'd be surprised if it didn't make more sense to become at least an LLC, but tax law is complex. If I were him I'd do whatever my accountant told me to do.
LLCs act as pass-throughs, distributing profits (and thus taxes) in proportion to ownership stakes. As a presumably sole owner of an LLC, he'd have to file a Schedule K-1 with the company tax return, which essentially moves the profits of the LLC onto his personal tax return (which is then taxed accordingly).
I suspect Ze has some form of corporate entity. But that is unlikely to change the taxable nature of the income unless it's a designated non-profit organization.
The referrer log about 1/3 of the way down is really interesting. He needed to create most of the demand himself, it didn't happen organically through Kickstarter.
This is a great overview of what it takes to do a successful Kickstarter. Nice catch.
This is a great overview of what it takes to do a successful Kickstarter. Nice catch.
Kickstarter is very much "just" a system for people to use. From my own experience with backing projects I back projects from people with pedigree and some sort of proven value. Anyone can promise something but when I'm backing a project I want someone I know can deliver, especially when Kickstarter provides no assurances or guarantees a project will be made, you're relying entirely on the project creator to be honest and stick to what they say they will do. If I found a project via browsing the Kickstarter website and there wasn't some sort of outside influence driving the funding of the project (be it the project creators twitter followers, a group of people that are interested in the same field and have worked with the project creator, a previous product the creator has produced) I would shy away because if this is a persons first project they are inevitably going to be issues.
Here's an example of a guy who walked away with $90k and didn't deliver anything but broken promises for over a year and only recently gone back and worked on the project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/schuyler/lockpicks-by-op...
Here's an example of a guy who walked away with $90k and didn't deliver anything but broken promises for over a year and only recently gone back and worked on the project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/schuyler/lockpicks-by-op...
I don't think that's a fair characterization. No one forced the hands of those backers. I hadn't heard of the project until you linked to it, but having read through the updates it's evident that Schuyler was totally forthcoming about his lack of experience in this area. Any backer slightly less skeptical than yourself who said "I'll give this guy a shot" was completely entitled to withdraw their pledge if they felt he was getting in over his head as the total amount pledged ballooned to over 15x his specified threshold. He's posted nearly 70 updates since launching the project, and it would appear that despite the delays it is coming to fruition. It's not as if he fleeced his backers for $90k and skipped town.
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Interesting to read a thoughtful write-up from him, since so much of his public persona is "I'm doing wacky things... invest in my Kickstarter and I will give you a prize of a plastic shark!"
The man has a degree in Neuroscience from Brown University, he is not unfamiliar with critical thinking, analysis or statistics.