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·vorig jaar·discuss
I agree that peer review can be a strong filter, but it's a filter for claims and evidence that sound true. CS papers can and do hide important details in the code (details which, I argue, would get a paper rejected if they were stated in the paper).

Regardless of the strength of the filter, if the filter's inputs are just "the paper", but the claims depend on the details in another artifact (i.e. the code), how can we argue that peer review filters for the truth?
eeeeeeehio
·vorig jaar·discuss
I don't understand why took the time to leave (three?) personal attacks, rather than just provide your perspective? I'm willing to acknowledge that my opinion has limitations (I think it mainly applies to CS-adjacent fields with empirical performance evaluations, and where experiments can easily be independently verified).

I would be interested to hear other perspectives.
eeeeeeehio
·vorig jaar·discuss
I agree with you. But what part of the blog post, or the peer review process in general, do you think ensures that only true ideas get in front of eyeballs?

I can write anything I want in the paper, but at the end of the day my experiments could do something slightly (or completely) different. Where are reviewers going to catch this?
eeeeeeehio
·vorig jaar·discuss
It's not too difficult to state any idea, even a surprising one. But often, papers with surprising ideas (or maybe the right thing to say is surprising results?) turn out to be wrong!

I think it's still the case that there's lots of ideas that (if they worked!) would be surprising. Anyone can state outlandish ideas in a paper -- imo the contribution is proving (e.g. with sound "experiments", interpreted broadly) that they actually work. Unfortunately, I think clarity of writing matters more to reviewers than the soundness of your experiments. I think in CS this could very well change if the reviewers willed it (i.e. require artifact submission with the paper, and allow papers to be rejected for faults in the artifact)
eeeeeeehio
·vorig jaar·discuss
Academics seem to have this fixation on "ideas":

> And it’s not just a pace thing, there’s a threshold of clarity that divides learned nothing from got at least one new idea.

But these days, ideas are quite cheap: in my experience, most researchers have more ideas than students to work on them. Many papers can fit their "core idea" in a tweet or two, and in many cases someone has already tweeted the idea in one form or another. Some ideas are better than others, but there's a lot of "reasonable" ideas out there.

Any of these ideas can be a paper, but what makes it science can't just be the fact that it was communicated clearly. It wouldn't be science unless you perform experiments (that accurately implement the "idea") and faithfully report the results. (Reviewers may add an additional constraint: that the results must look "good".)

So what does science have to do with reviewers' fixation on clarity and presentation? I claim: absolutely nothing. You can pretty much say whatever you want as long as it sounds reasonable and is communicated clearly (and of course the results look good). Even if the over-worked PhD student screws up the evaluation script a bit and the results are in their favor (oops!), the reviewers are not going to notice so long as the ideas are presented clearly.

Clear communication is important, but science cannot just be communicating ideas.