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enkimute

vorig jaardiscuss

fixed it. mea culpa.

enkimute

2 jaar geledendiscuss

Thank you, appreciate that!

enkimute

2 jaar geledendiscuss

Apologies. Had that joke sitting around for waaaay to long. Not that great in retrospect :D

enkimute

2 jaar geledendiscuss

don't foget the fantastic Sudgy 'A swift introduction to projective geometric algebra' : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i3ocLhbxJ4

and ofcourse the go-to reference https://bivector.net

or join 1000+ profs, researchers and enthusiasts on the bivector discord here https://discord.gg/vGY6pPk

enkimute

2 jaar geledendiscuss

For specifying animations, you should work in the quaternion lie algebra, not in the group as you suggest. There you can represent 1620 degrees without any problem. Furthermore, in the quaternion Lie algebra (pure imaginary quaternions), and only in that space, you can take an arbitrary rotation key, multiply all 3 of its values with 10 and get 10 times that rotation without change in axis.

If you rotate around just one axis, the Lie algebra feels just like Euler angles .. in fact its exactly the same thing, but if you rotate around more than one .. it keeps working intuitively and usably - Euler angles absolutely do not.

enkimute

2 jaar geledendiscuss

done. mea maxima culpa.

enkimute

4 jaar geledendiscuss

There's no smoke. But there surely are mirrors. (Group theory joke)

enkimute

4 jaar geledendiscuss

These are also called the planar quaternions and are the even subalgebra of 2D PGA. I use and explain these (and their nD generalisations) in my SIBGRAPI 2021 talk on kinematics and dynamics in PGA.

https://youtu.be/pq9YfdPHhIo

There is also a writeup called 'may the forque be with you' available on bivector.net

enkimute

5 jaar geledendiscuss

Not the same concrete example, but one where I do find the Geometric Algebra version substantially more insightful, is the treatment of rigid body mechanics in the geometric algebra of the Euclidean group (R_{n,0,1}).

It has the dual quaternions as even subalgebra (in 3D), and unifies all linear and angular aspects. It leads to remarkable new insights, as removing the need for force-couples (pure angular acceleration is caused by pushing along a line at infinity), while pure linear acceleration is caused by forces along lines through the center of mass.

These geometric ideas are independent of dimension - forces, both angular and linear are always lines. The treatment of inertia becomes a duality map, and things like Steiners theorem are not needed at all.

On top of this, the separation of the metric that sets GA apart means that this formulation of rigid body dynamics works not only in flat Euclidean space, but unmodified in the Spherical and Hyperbolic geometries. (by a simple change of metric of the projective dimension).

For a (graphics/game programmer oriented) tutorial on this see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9YfdPHhIo&ab_channel=Bivec...

enkimute

5 jaar geledendiscuss

Every Lie algebra is a bivector algebra (see 'Lie groups as Spin groups' http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf/LGasSG.pdf).

Additionally the GA formalism enables closed form solutions for the exponential map for all bivector algebras. (see 'Graded symmetry Groups' https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353116859_Graded_Sy...).

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

They were designed with touchscreens in mind - I agree tho that it didn't work out exactly as I wanted. Someone did make a playthrough video of it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEytSmwEpk&ab_channel=probi...

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

Thanks for this background info. I also agree with your assessment - so far its just gotten some giggles and maybe even some extra attention from students who are not always easy to motivate when it comes to math. Its also racked up quite a few references in scientific publications (as its the only library offering these types of easy visualizations) - so it does appear most can appreciate it for the silly joke it was meant to be.

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

> You're generating code that relates to a certain algebra, likely for providing API for doing calculations based on that algebra (so an algebra library). Why would you call that 'algebra generated by ganja.js'?

The 'generated by' in that sentence is referring to the code generation - not the mathematical generators. I'll change 'algebra' to 'algebra implementation' to make that more clear. (I figured the very sentence 'an algebra generated by ganja.js' disambiguates the interpretation, but I'm happy to stand corrected.)

Ganja can create numerical implementations for a wide range of algebras (not just 'a certain algebra'), including any associative algebra (you can give it a Cayley table), although the focus is on Clifford Algebras, and providing the ability to stay close to the mathematical syntax. In order to do that it provides operator overloading, algebraic literals, etc .. (all features that do not natively exist in javascript). Because it is not 'a certain algebra', but a wide range, for which the code is only generated at runtime - it seemed a reasonable way of describing what is going on.

Thanks for letting me know it confused you - will fix it right away!

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

A bias towards 'vectors must be points' crops in as an unwritten legacy axiom, leading to a broken correspondence with Group theory (which again cannot be turned around, discrete symmetries compose into continuous ones, but not the other way around). A further restriction to the unfortunately very symmetric 3D Euclidean space hides many of the problems with that approach. (for example only in this space the even subalgebra is shared, and bivectors are self-dual).

Consider for example R_(2,0,1) in both scenarios.

Using Geometric Product as Group Composition

  e1  = reflection w.r.t. x=0 axis
  e2  = reflection w.r.t. y=0 axis
  e12 = reflection w.r.t. y=0 axis followed by reflection w.r.t. x=0 axis
      = 180 rotation around origin.

Using Anti-Geometric Product as Group Composition

  e1  = not a group element, because anti-norm is zero.
  e2  = not a group element, because anti-norm is zero.
  e12 = not a group element, because anti-norm is zero.

So to get the same behavior you need the following elements when using the Anti-Geometric product as composition

  e02 = reflection w.r.t. x=0 axis
  e01 = reflection w.r.t. y=0 axis
  e0  = reflection w.r.t. y=0 axis followed by reflection w.r.t. x=0 axis
      = 180 rotation around origin.

So choosing the geometric anti-product as group composition operator is possible, but imho breaks the readability of your transformations completely.

All I can say is that I hope that those linked articles do not give people an excuse to not consider the model in which vectors, grade-1 elements, are reflections. This is the true half of the picture that is new and being missed.

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

The grade 1 element is not the normal vector of the plane, it is the plane itself (as a homogeneous linear form, it includes the distance from the origin as an extra coefficient, which the normal vector does not).

Linear equations form a linear space, you can add them and multiply them with scalars. (creating things called line-pencils, plane-bundles etc .. classic projective geometry). Hence you call the grade-1 elements of the graded version of such a linear space 'vectors'. (just like you can make vector spaces with functions or all other sorts of objects).

So the reflection formula from GA in general, which is to reflect an arbitrary element X w.r.t. a grade-1 element a :

-aXa

is simply to be read as reflecting the object 'X' in the plane (3D) or line (2D) or sphere (3D CGA) or circle (2D CGA) 'a'.

Such a reflection should modify all other reflections, except for itself (where it should only flip orientation) :

-aaa = -a

It is easy to verify that this holds for general Euclidean planes written as homogeneous linear equations in their grade-1 element form. And from that everything else follows. (composition of reflections gives you rotations/translations (leaving points invariant in 2D), etc).

Planes being grade 1 elements in no way implies characterizing them by a normal vector.

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

Chris Doran, while not officially in academia, is still very much actively researching these topics and regularly publishes. (he is also a member of the bivector community, very approachable and happy to help out with questions).

Anthony Lasenby, professor astrophysics and cosmology at Cambridge, is also absolutely still actively researching and publishing, all in the mindset of the GA4Physicists book. (See a recent (feb 2020) lecture of him here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7eLEtmq6PY&t=7s )

(GA4P is considered one of the few comprehensive and up to date treatments of geometric algebra, not just in physics).

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

close? https://enkimute.github.io/ganja.js/examples/coffeeshop.html

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

Geometric Algebra for Physicists : https://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Algebra-Physicists-Chris-Do...

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

Absolutely :

Algebraically we can always use the Hodge dual and its inverse to move to/from k-vectors from/to n-k vectors.

Geometrically we can always say two points define a line or two lines define a point.

Group Theory - here we can't swap. Two reflections make a rotation but two rotations do not make a reflection. So reflections are 'naturally' grade 1.

If you want everything to fit intuitively together, you want reflections to be grade 1, and by consequence hyperplanes (lines in 2D, planes in 3D, etc) to be grade 1 (i.e. vectors).

Doing it the other way around is possible but will be more verbose and less intuitive. (also with 'reflections' as natural grade 1 elements, the move from Euclidean to Conformal becomes trivial, simply reflect in (hyper)spheres instead, in this space it is also easier to see that the two approaches are not equivalent, it is natural to say that (in 2D) the 'meet' of two circles is a point pair, but not that the 'join' of two points is a point pair. (why would it not be a line just like in PGA?)).

Imho, one should learn to appreciate both halves of the picture, as for each specific problem one of them might be more natural. (for the popular Euclidean group and its associated geometry this view we're not used to may very well be more intuitive one, imho).

enkimute

6 jaar geledendiscuss

That is correct - matrices are the natural companion of the general linear group. The GA representation exists, and is called 'the mother algebra', for general 4x4 matrices the GA equivalent is R4,4. (where general linear transformations are versors).

For other subgroups GA reps will also exist. (like e.g. if one wants to include projective transformations as versors, that would be the projective group (which preserves the cross ratio of 4 points), and has a GA representation in R3,3).

These spaces quickly become so big that efficient numerical implementations (while not impossible with enough symbolic work at compilation time, see e.g. https://www.jeremyong.com/gal/) are difficult. Other advantages of GA do of course remain.

Submissions

Dual Quaternions Demystified. (GAME2020 PGA:The Algebra of the Euclidean Group)

Prof. Anthony Lasenby (Cambridge) Geometric Algebra as New Language for Physics

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