ooneeks · HackerTrans

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Don't Nvidia make open-source Linux drivers now? I honestly have not had graphical driver issues since... Well since a good while before SteamOS and such. I don't doubt you guys at all, but I only have "older" laptops that might have GPU issues in terms of overall Linux compatibility.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Because it's not worth the hours when it inevitably breaks, which corpo server setups always do. At least in my view, that is. If it's running GNU/Linux or, God forbid, Windows, honestly as the head of a larger company I can just make a guy or another company fix it asap, whereas with BSD you'll be reliant on a handful of people at the very most, and no one is going to help you. They'll help you to help yourself, but 2 hours spent on something where I could've just called up another big company and have them do it, is a waste of money. Also whilst Linux can update without reboot (I believe you even do kernel updates now?), as far as I know BSD is a lot more fond of rebooting. BSD as a whole is more turbulent and uncoordinated than GNU/Linux, honestly. It's the individual distros up against each other that makes BSD the more stable party, i.e BSD vs Debian. But sometimes, being coordinated and calm just means "not innovative". BSD is probably the furthest you can get from progress and innovation imo.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Interesting. I suppose I also just use very mainstream software as well. I find that basically everything I need is either made for dpkg or exists within Ubuntu repositories (they've got literally everything there, haven't they!). I agree in your overall assessment though, I can concede to the fact that I might be underselling the value of Arch within the broader Linux community. I've often seen Arch as the detrimental opposite however, which is quite ironic. Personally I just find Debian distros superior to most others (except Linux Mint.I hate Mint, more than anything). I do quite fancy Ubuntu as dekstop, but you truly are right that it is at the very least, not a very good server distro. It might be the worst, imo, Debian server distro. My go-to choice for a Debian alternative is Fedora, however, so our different experiences might also be a testament to a fundamentally different view on Linux and how you do your computing.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Whilst I don't at all doubt your testimonies, I am still sitting here wondering what programs everyone here is using, if not programs usually tailored for Debian. I feel like I've seen more software that runs natively on Debian (Ubuntu, really) and made specifically for dpkg. But I suppose a lot of applications also come with "snap" these days, but I avoid "software stores" like the plague. I personally have had very little contact with Arch, but I realise that is me that is strange, I personally dislike Arch very much and can recognise that, that might be the reason I don't see it around as much; a negative confirmation bias of sorts, if you will. 99% of the time when I have an issue and I just google it, I'll end up on the Ubuntu forum, that's no lie. But I do seem to remember using the Arch wiki years ago. I'll admit, I'm probably just a diehard fan of Debian.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Having used BSD many years ago on desktop, I completely disagree. What are you using your computer for using BSD? I really don't spend 99% of my time just compiling lol The chaos thing is something I hear from BSD users quite a lot. I'm still not sure what it is means, maybe that's some sort of personal issue..? I suppose you don't like forking and variation, which is understandable coming from a user of an OS with a fantastically small userbase that somehow still manages to be proportionally more fragmented than any other community I can think of, but the "chaos" of Linux is grossly overstated. Most everything that is relevant today runs Debian, unless you're a poweruser running Arch or even Gentoo, but even then, who's out there being a distro purist? I'm willing to bet that most people running Arch or Gentoo are still using quite a bit of 'Debian resources'/assets. Sure, there's RedHat too and all the others that fill some corporate niche, but there really isn't this whole divide within the Linux community like people sometimes imply. I think a lot of people are stuck in a mindset that hasn't been relevant for somewhere between 10 and 20 years.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Too bad BSD has such obscure hardware support, anyone running BSD over GNU/Linux is going to lose performance and responsiveness having to run everything through layers of code and emulation. Also, due to squalid support, it's only really usable without GUI - bad scaling and graphical acceleration, or the lack hereof, as well as poor support just means that most GUI solutions for BSD look worse than Windows 3.0.I've yet to see anyone make BSD look agreeable, the only viable solutions being KDE and XFCE, both of which suck. Surely that'll take away from productivity as well, but that's just me. The poor support is the worst offender, also because it seems to me that a lot of the lacking hardware support stems not from a lack of users, but a general apathy towards doing anything on your computer that isn't just using emacs or compiling. The lack of wifi support is most baffling and contributes to the fact that doing anything with BSD on a laptop that isn't owned by one of the developers themselves, will result in sluggish or subpar performance. I have the same opinion on desktop BSD users as I do with GNU/Hurd users. You do you. But as soon as you start talking about the perceived sufficiency and/or supremacy of your deprecated, wet 80's FOSS fever dream of an OS, it becomes impossible to communicate.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Have you not ever used a Linux distro? I haven't had an issue with monitors since before Ubuntu 8. Seems ridiculous you're going to claim that Linux, which dominates the phone/handheld industry, would have issues in regards to using high resolution/high DPI monitors along with lower spec ones concurrently. I think of all OS's, my bet would probably be that this is a way bigger issue on Windows than on Linux or Mac.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Just install Ubuntu if you quite literally cannot grasp GNU/Linux. No, your "guy" is not "relatively skilled", that's an absurd claim when it took an entire week setting up Linux on a laptop. It has never, ever taken me more than an hour or two with mainstream distros, or more than 3 days max. for more complicated distros such as Gentoo or Arch - but the system would be minimally operational within a day, always. You would literally have to one-finger press your keyboard whilst also learning how to read for the first time simultaneously, to make the install of Linux on a LAPTOP last a week.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

I would scream if I ever saw a dude in a suit give some 70's looking NEET permission to base their company's entire IT platform on FreeBSD specifically. It'd be like switching all your office workstations from MacOS to Ubuntu or Linux Mint.

ooneeks

4 jaar geledendiscuss

Well to be fair, most people using FreeBSD are also Linux users, save people indirectly using/'benefiting' from BSD, i.e in a work environment as you mentioned. Of course discounting Mac users (I honestly think that's a hilarious joke). It also strikes me that many companies use BSD simply to save money in an area where time =/= money, as BSD is very secure and very stable, there are some licensing issues with many big Linux distros, etc. I very much doubt that anyone in the year 2022 are using BSD servers or workstations to improve their performance yield unless you're working retail or construction or something and are looking to implement a RTOS platform based on BSD because your boss severely capped your department's budget lol

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