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Wage Compression at Gitlab

gitlab.com
4 points·by pyrodactyl·2 jaar geleden·0 comments

Gitlab employees' opinion on location based pay [video]

youtube.com
3 points·by pyrodactyl·2 jaar geleden·0 comments

Andrey (Miro CEO) and Sid (Gitlab CEO) on how to do pricing changes [video]

youtube.com
2 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·0 comments

Gitlab and Google Cloud Partner to Expand AI-Assisted Capabilities

prnewswire.com
2 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·0 comments

Is Location-Based Pay Ethical in Remote Work?

growrk.com
1 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·4 comments

Gitlab foundation established to increase people’s lifetime earnings

gitlabfoundation.org
50 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·39 comments

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6 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·0 comments

Gitlab to lay off 7% of staff

about.gitlab.com
703 points·by pyrodactyl·3 jaar geleden·595 comments

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1 points·by pyrodactyl·4 jaar geleden·0 comments

Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?

255 points·by pyrodactyl·4 jaar geleden·371 comments

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pyrodactyl
·3 jaar geleden·discuss
Do you think location based pay aligns with Gitlab's values?
pyrodactyl
·3 jaar geleden·discuss
There are multiple issues with GitLab as a company. They pay their staff based on location and not the output of their work which is in direct contradiction of their values of "Results" and "Diversity, Inclusivity and Belonging".

And how the location factors are decided is not shared with the staff, just vague hand waving of industry averages. This again is again in contradiction with their "transparency" value.

I can point out a lot more things. They might be transparent, but are not above exploiting folks from weaker economies.
pyrodactyl
·3 jaar geleden·discuss
The URL is supposed to be https://growrk.com/blogs/news/location-based-pay/, anyone knows why/how was it truncated?
pyrodactyl
·3 jaar geleden·discuss
No. Their prices are not adjusted for local market rates because their reasons only make sense when paying their employees.
pyrodactyl
·3 jaar geleden·discuss
> Why we pay local rates?

> Team members in high-wage regions having much less discretionary income than ones in low-wage countries with the same role.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
I get exactly 45% percent of SF rates. Just to be clear, this is an international company
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
A comparable sized property listing https://www.nobroker.in/property/buy/4-bhk-apartment-for-sal...

For electronics and vehicles you are free to google iphone and mercedes prices in India vs Us. Its especially higher if I want specific items to import like framework laptop, fairphone, tesla car

Private education can get very expensive very quickly too. Public schools are not even an option as they don't even have furniture sometimes.

You might say remaining costs are low, but they are low only if we use uncertified, unskilled, low quality services/labor. For even decent quality of work the prices will be in multiples.

About my comment about being payed half, the pay scales are visible to everyone in the company so I know that the least in the US also gets payed 2x of my location
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
I am the original poster from the post linked in this article.

I know these as a fact that a comparable property in my city would cost me much more than what you're paying. All the while I'm getting payed less than half of my colleagues living in your area.

And there are many other costs that are comparable eg. electronics, vehicles and education.

All this is to say that location based pay is not about cost of living, its about getting away with paying as little as possible.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Thanks for this, helps me that people understand me and I'm not being very unreasonable.

From what I've gotten from my discussions on my post is

1) I will start looking for contract work. Not going to be easy, but the best way forward.

2) Use some of the negotiation techniques mentioned like bringing up the fact I'm not competing locally, but internationally

3) Negotiate with my company and threaten to leave? Not fully sure of this. More alligend to leaving anyway as I find the excuses for location based pay pathetic. Will be leaving as soon as I can.

4) Always talk compensation with co-workers
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
"Having a presence and hence a team in another location with a pyrodactyl-like employee doing pyrodactyl-like things. Probably quite a lot."

Though this is absolutely true for traditional companies, this company is actually a fully remote one so they don't have a presence as such? I would just be wfh but in a foreign country? I still don't see the point in my perticular case
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Well the product this company makes is uniformly priced across all locations. So if i wanted to consume the product my company makes I would be paying the same price as US/UK.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Haha, this seems important but I don't fully understand what you're saying. Will need sometime to process this.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
I work for a software company that's product based BUT I'm not in a software role as some people are assuming
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Great advice on negotiation. I'll definitely use this going forward. Thank you!
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Its not a crazy conspiracy, I know it's pretty clear why it's being done. And I know I can't do anything about it other than look for new opportunities.

But should location based pay be just accepted because that's the norm? There are variables that can't be used to do discriminate like age, gender, race, sexual orientation etc. We've accepted equal pay for equal work in these cases. Is it that far fetched that even location should be treated the same?
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Definitely a time for change, but that doesn't invalidate my argument about equal pay
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
I agree that these are blatant lies. Unionizing seems impossible? I'm not sure what it entails and how would one even go about it.

Someone else mentioned about taking up contract work, which seems like something I can give a shot at.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Immigration is not currently possible. I'm still quite new to the work force so i guess I'm being easily affected by these thoughts.

The contracter route seems feasible and actionable. I'll give this a serious shot. Thanks for bringing this up.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
I see that my post might come off as complaining, but I asure you it's not the case. I do "hustle" as you call it, and that's why I wanted to know other opinions on this.

And I'm not coming at this from a class based marxist ideology. I'm asking for equal pay for equal work, which isn't a radical idea.

Also, though I do work in a software company, I am not a developer or deal with serious tech in anyway.
pyrodactyl
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Talking compensation has opened my eyes to this. We need to stop this culture of being secretive about compensation.