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Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps

freenet.org
390 points·by sanity·2 maanden geleden·271 comments

Show HN: Git repositories hosted directly on Freenet

github.com
6 points·by sanity·2 maanden geleden·0 comments

Show HN: Mediator.ai – Using Nash bargaining and LLMs to systematize fairness

mediator.ai
160 points·by sanity·3 maanden geleden·74 comments

Show HN: Freenet Lives – Real-Time Decentralized Apps at Scale [video]

youtube.com
6 points·by sanity·5 maanden geleden·3 comments

Show HN: How to build decentralized apps on the new Freenet

freenet.org
3 points·by sanity·6 maanden geleden·0 comments

Show HN: Freenet alpha, a drop-in decentralized replacement for the web

6 points·by sanity·6 maanden geleden·7 comments

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sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
How does someone "steal" the name of their own project?
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
It's clearly an effective label, otherwise it wouldn't be so widely used.

The real objection is that supporters of the ideology dislike the characterization embedded in the term.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
Most people don't know the academic umbrella term, but if you ask for examples of "woke", it's usually pretty obvious they're referring to Critical Social Justice ideology and its associated norms.

People can argue about the boundaries of the term, but pretending nobody knows what is being referred to is not a serious argument.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
"Woke" refers to Critical Social Justice ideology, hope that helps.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
I'm not sure what you mean, Freenet is at least as decentralized as bittorrent.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
The two systems aren't that different in this regard, both replicate data along request paths.

In both systems data will tend to cluster on peers close to the data's location because otherwise requests couldn't find it.

The main difference is that in the new Freenet the content can be updated, with updates propagating through peers hosting the content.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
> I win this argument, and you lose.

lol
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
What is the issue? Please be specific.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
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sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
And? The new Freenet provides a menu of options for anonymity which is strictly better than imposing the same (imperfect) anonymity solution on everyone.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
If you have a point to make you should make it.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
> First, thank you for creating this project.

You're welcome :)

> My question is whether freenet is designed to be resistant for active adversaries with deep packet inspection capability, particularly like the Chinese firewall that is also observed to do statistical timing analysis of packets? Is there any possibility to apply obfuscation to the peer to peer connection?

Freenet's transport protocol is a custom encrypted protocol over UDP, but it is not currently designed to evade sophisticated deep packet inspection or timing analysis by state-level adversaries like the Great Firewall.

That said, the transport layer is modular, and we would absolutely accept contributions adding traffic obfuscation or pluggable transports, subject to the usual tradeoffs around latency, bandwidth overhead, and resource usage.

> And is there any mechanism to aid peer discovery (DHT?)

Freenet uses a distributed small-world routing topology for peer discovery and efficient message propagation. It isn't a conventional Kademlia-style DHT, but conceptually it serves a similar purpose.

The network is designed to self-organize into a small-world topology.[1]

[1] See the "Distance" graph at the bottom-right of the circle visualization - http://nova.locut.us:3133/
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
It refers to Critical Social Justice ideology. There are entire books, academic papers, and debates about it from across the political spectrum.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
Fair enough, I misremembered the timeline. My broader point was about identitarianism and ideological conformity, regardless of what terminology I used at the time.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
Gnutella was decentralized like Freenet, but it's broadcast search approach limited scalability relative to Freenet's "small-world" approach which can scale indefinitely.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
Appreciate the suggestion. It's often difficult to know where to start when explaining a project like this.

The freenet-git work is quite recent but we do feature River, our group chat app, fairly prominently on our installation page[1] so that people can quickly try out something useful. River is by-far the most fully developed app so far.

[1] https://freenet.org/quickstart/
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
> Why would I answer that when you already said one statement being wrong doesn't matter?

I never said that.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
> The fact that evidence is not provided, if anything, is an indication of potential wrong doing.

No, that's not how evidence works.

You're starting from the assumption of wrongdoing and then treating the lack of evidence as confirmation of your suspicion.

Meanwhile we've spent the last 5 years publicly building a working decentralized platform.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
Apparently you follow him a lot more closely than I do, nonetheless I stand by my point even if I might use different words today.
sanity
·2 maanden geleden·discuss
And yet I still haven't seen anyone explain how the goals actually differ.

Interestingly, there seems to be very little overlap between the people giving substantive technical feedback and the people most upset about a 3-year-old naming controversy.