If this happened at all, there have only been 2 possible cases, and given that extent, we are not talking about a widespread phenomenon. The scope of the discussion and ramifications should account for that.
> police with no.. planning, or accountability?
Yes, I think an institution has a lot more of those things than a mob does. And just because that is true doesn't mean police need to be reformed. But i'm responding to your direct coments.
> And assault everyone?
Are they 'assaulting everyone?" I don't know what events you're talking about anymore.
Let's dispense with the residents per se because neither side cares about them, really. It's about power and institutions. The residents will vote soon enough anyway.
attempts to launch fireworks/mortars into the windows of the courthouse is not a binary or a fallacy.
> You don't know what's happening to the taken people, but it seems pretty tame to you?
I don't think they're being killed/maimed/"dissapeared" (south american style) as another commenter put it, but i agree that detainment without identification is a problem and it should stop.
I agree and I find these events troubling. But I also want to put them in perspective.
> Does one (or even a few) bad apple spoil the bunch?
I don't understand the point you're making here.
> Do you think that protesters like the Navy Vet, Naked Athena, the Wall of Moms, and even the Mayor of Portland really want to burn down a Federal building?
As another commenter said, there are about 3 different groups with different adgendas operating in the area.
The premise of the article has almost nothing to do with current events.
One can dislike how/why DHS was created and also believe that order needs to be restored the area by the feds.
As for the "unmarked cars" picking people up, what is actually happening to these people? Is it catch and release? It seems pretty tame to me.
Should they just let the protesters/rioters burn down the courthouse?
As to whether they are protesters or rioters, ask whether you think Peter Schiff could do what he did during occupy and stroll into the crowd attempting to debate and defend capitalism with the folk (which I think he failed to do at all, but more just the fact he was able to try it there is significant)? The answer is of course not; he'd probably be beaten or severely injured.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portlan...
If this happened at all, there have only been 2 possible cases, and given that extent, we are not talking about a widespread phenomenon. The scope of the discussion and ramifications should account for that.
> police with no.. planning, or accountability?
Yes, I think an institution has a lot more of those things than a mob does. And just because that is true doesn't mean police need to be reformed. But i'm responding to your direct coments.
> And assault everyone?
Are they 'assaulting everyone?" I don't know what events you're talking about anymore.