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thwayunion
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
Airplane mode usually snaps the app out of its phone home setting. Amazon Video is much less buggy about offline downloads.
thwayunion
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
It's much more than that. If you are leaving your sat device at home to "up the stakes", you need to let SAR know that this is the game you are playing. You need to make sure they know you do not want or expect a rescue under any circumstances and you need to make sure that the absolute safety of all other parties, including the SAR team themselves, will take priority over a search on your behalf.

And if their response is "that is stupid, take your sat device" then do so.
thwayunion
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
> but part of the experience is being completely disconnected and knowing you're on your own if anything goes wrong.

I've done a fair number of non-trivial self rescues due to ice fall, rock fall, injuries, and fast-moving weather while exposed at elevation. I value self sufficiency and take pride in the fact that I have never had to press that SOS button, even under extreme duress and real objective danger.

That said, I do think intentionally refusing the carry a sat comm is downright immoral unless you tell SAR that you do not under any circumstances want a rescue.

SAR's operating assumption is that you will want a rescue if you are not able to self-rescue. When someone notices you are missing, SAR will begin a search. If you don't have a sat comm, SAR will have to waste valuable resources on a wide search and possibly even put SAR professionals at additional unnecessary risk. If the emergent event is the result of something that impacts a large area -- storms, earthquakes, avalanche, rock fall, etc. -- other people may die because SAR spent too much time on you.

To be clear: I won't judge you for playing life-and-death with self rescue. That's fine. We all play dangerous games and risk is highly personal. But at least TELL SAR the game you are playing! Tell them you do not want a rescue prior to starting your trip. Otherwise, you are not only risking you own party's life, but also the lives of SAR professionals and other parties who may need their services at the same time.
thwayunion
·4 jaar geleden·discuss
> Or: don't take your rental car that relies on cell service out of cell range.

The company advertises weekend camping/hiking trips as a use-case on their blog [1].

Also: they weren't an hour down a dirt road on BLM/NF land. The women were at a popular trail in a national park. The trail is a beginner class 1 five mile loop. Hardly a weird edge-case... literally an afternoon walk in the park.

Good thing they were in the PNW and during good weather, because this could've easily turned deadly in many other parts of the country. Being locked out of my car unexpectedly after a light&fast winter objective in the mountains or a light&fast summer objective in the desert -- especially solo -- would get pretty serious pretty fast. Hopefully I would be able to bust the windows and get at my water and bivy; if not, that would be a scary and dangerous night.

> Was anyone else expecting a story about actually going off the grid, you know, permanently?

Not per se, but definitely didn't expect a story about a parking lot at a roadside trailhead of a popular beginner day hike...

[1] https://www.zipcar.com/ziptopia/camping