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·2 maanden geleden·discuss
links have been fixed, thx
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Sorry too bummed out about the situation to parse your previous.

Everyone is applauding Adria for her courage, but taking someone's photo and posting it on twitter is not speaking out. I know that turning to someone and saying "what you said is offensive to me" or reporting them to the staff is not easy, but nevertheless it was the correct course of action. She smiled and took a picture of those guys. She never even bothered to give them a dirty look. And now all these women and men are praising her as a hero.

Worse it appears that some assumptions on her part are not correct. Even worse, her own previous blog post states:

"Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something that matches, I can overreact and feel intense fear, anger or anxiety. "

her blog name is butyoureagirl.com. What does that mean? "you don't expect me to do all this do you?".

Now she can go write a book, while this guy lost his job. This is so sexist and so unfair and so ironic.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Mr Hank, due to your privacy being violated in this crazy creepy manner I was able to find who you are. Good luck to you sir. There are a lot of men and women who are on your side.

One thing I will say is, that your former employer is crazy not to have your back. Is there no way they can change their mind? (I am not sure you would want your job back because they really let you down)
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
absolutely!!! but one of them would still have a job
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Now here is someone who deserves to be banned:

compare and contrast https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5402826
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Yeah, this is passive aggressive stuff. The guy said you even smiled at him as you took the picture.

I actually read more of Adria's site and I read http://butyoureagirl.com/13871/success-against-the-odds-fill....

"Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something that matches, I can overreact and feel intense fear, anger or anxiety."

Which explains a lot. I am shocked to read about Adria's experiences as a child, and would urge everyone to go a little easier on her.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
funny story, Joan of Arc was burned at the stake. They wanted to get rid of her for sometime but the actual crime she was convicted of was literally "wearing male clothes"
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
sure, but taking their photo and posting it as step 1 is not the action of someone being brave
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
official good. Community enforcement can easily become lynchmob.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
agreed card game is completely irrelevant in completely different setting. very funny game btw.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Adria, its the photo that's the problem. Using to identify the people in question is OK. Posting it to the internet is wrong.

Unlike your explanation states you did not let the staff resolve it. You took matters into your own hands, and served up justice vigilante style. Just as someone has to watch their mouth, you also have responsibilities. I am sure you are sorry mr-hank lost his job. But just like his dumb ass comments posting photos cannot be undone.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Ugh, this just makes me cringe.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Thank you. I agree with you 75%.

Just because you would make this joke does not mean that someone cannot find it offensive. Adria was offended, and good for her for speaking up.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
I read that article when it came out. This is not a "lighten up honey situation". Adria has every right to be offended and absolutely every right to call out their bad behavior.

I just feel in hindsight it would have been better if she gave the PyCon staff a chance to address the matter before posting pictures of people on twitter. It was her right to take a picture of those guys, its the posting before doing anything else that I humbly disagree with.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Agreed. It would be very bad if this went unchallenged. Its fantastic that women feel comfortable enough to speak out when they are made uncomfortable.

But I still respectfully disagree that posting their picture BEFORE confronting them with staff was a good idea.
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·13 jaar geleden·discuss
Its a tough call, but I will say that it is not clear who the bully is in this situation.

If the comments were made directly at someone, I am sure all will agree that this is grounds for consequences.

However is it really a "safe space" if people are shamed publicly for what someone finds offensive BEFORE the matter is brought up to STAFF? I mean the two dudes in the photo may have grounds to say that they are the ones being harassed.