Bacteria and Colon Cancer(blogs.sciencemag.org)
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Bacteria and Colon Cancer
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/07/22/bacteria-and-colon-cancer
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Nice forward progress on the search for a preventative treatment. Also TIL bad gum health can lead to colon cancer. So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth
> So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth
Brushing teeth excessively can/will cause bleeding gums which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid.
Brushing teeth excessively can/will cause bleeding gums which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid.
anecdotally one of the few things I remember about my maternal grandmother was that she implored us to take care of our teeth, and that she died of colon cancer :(
Wonder if she was on to something?
Wonder if she was on to something?
It's not far-fetched to say that if you have bad teeth, you will chew worse and your digestion might suffer as a consequence.
Can lead to or correlates?
Brushing and flossing does also damage your gums depending on the force and utility. Thats worst then doing nothing because now bacteria can enter your blood stream and hitch a ride to the other parts of the body.
Much better option is to not eat carbs which universally damage teath.
Much better option is to not eat carbs which universally damage teath.
Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world.
There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.
You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved:
- we eat simple carbs a lot now
- we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content
- we eat carbs constantly, year after year
- we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C
i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.
- we eat simple carbs a lot now
- we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content
- we eat carbs constantly, year after year
- we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C
i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.
Boiled skin-on potatoes are good; complex carbs, Vitamin C and B6, potassium, fibre, water, but maybe lacking in hipster value.
Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise.
When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)
Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise.
When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)
- we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.
FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.
FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.
> I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.
Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time...
> FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet
Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.
Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time...
> FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet
Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.
We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything.
I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.
I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.
Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal.
The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day.
http://sugarstacks.com/
The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day.
http://sugarstacks.com/
You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.
I think things are more complex than "brushing and flossing damages your gums depending on force and utility" because I've got wisdom teeth that I've been forcibly brushing for decades in the interest of making my gumline recede and it just. doesn't. work.
I also eat carbs like they're going out of style. At least one serving every day, minimum. I've also had an insatiable sweet tooth for most of my life, although that tapered off into my mid-30s.
I went fourteen years without seeing a dentist, and when I finally went in, aside from serious plaque buildup, my teeth and gums were in fantastic shape. It may have something to do with the fact that I drink skim milk like a toddler - about two gallons a week.
I will say, one effect that dairy and carbs has on my oral hygiene is that they promote the formation of tonsililoths - but once I was turned on to using a tongue scraper, that problem disappeared completely.
How did I go 14 years without a dentist and end up with great teeth anyway? Avoid sugary carbonated beverages, I floss with Plackers, I brush daily with an electric toothbrush and a baking soda/peroxide toothpaste, I use a tongue scraper, and I rinse with & gargle Listerene.
I also eat carbs like they're going out of style. At least one serving every day, minimum. I've also had an insatiable sweet tooth for most of my life, although that tapered off into my mid-30s.
I went fourteen years without seeing a dentist, and when I finally went in, aside from serious plaque buildup, my teeth and gums were in fantastic shape. It may have something to do with the fact that I drink skim milk like a toddler - about two gallons a week.
I will say, one effect that dairy and carbs has on my oral hygiene is that they promote the formation of tonsililoths - but once I was turned on to using a tongue scraper, that problem disappeared completely.
How did I go 14 years without a dentist and end up with great teeth anyway? Avoid sugary carbonated beverages, I floss with Plackers, I brush daily with an electric toothbrush and a baking soda/peroxide toothpaste, I use a tongue scraper, and I rinse with & gargle Listerene.
You are probably one of the rare protected people (my wife is one of them). Genetics may play a role (high number and/or diversity of certain salivary enzymes related to carb digestion) along with some life choices (such as excessive milk).
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Literally no dentist would agree with this.
And floss too!
A useful keyword in this is Helicobacter pylori.
Apparently a huge percentage of people have it, especially in developing countries but not limited to them, and it is known to cause a lot of problems though there is debate about possible benefits of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori
There is a sort of cure for it involving proton pump inhibitors and antibiotics. After which, your stomach feels a ton better and your probability of stomach cancer likely decreased.
I had chronic stomach aches since I returned from a long traveling in Thailand. Only recently did I apply this treatment. I've never had such great stomach health.
This was self-diagnosed and treated. I know what many on hacker news thinks about non-experts talking about these sorts of things in recent months. I think that's absurd.
Help yourself because no one else is more invested in your health.
Apparently a huge percentage of people have it, especially in developing countries but not limited to them, and it is known to cause a lot of problems though there is debate about possible benefits of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori
There is a sort of cure for it involving proton pump inhibitors and antibiotics. After which, your stomach feels a ton better and your probability of stomach cancer likely decreased.
I had chronic stomach aches since I returned from a long traveling in Thailand. Only recently did I apply this treatment. I've never had such great stomach health.
This was self-diagnosed and treated. I know what many on hacker news thinks about non-experts talking about these sorts of things in recent months. I think that's absurd.
Help yourself because no one else is more invested in your health.
> self-diagnosed and treated
Do you mean you diagnosed this yourself, had it confirmed by a medical professional and received treatment? Or you self-treated it somehow?
Do you mean you diagnosed this yourself, had it confirmed by a medical professional and received treatment? Or you self-treated it somehow?
Same here. I have had various problems with my stomach and eventually diagnosed with H. Pylori. I went through a 10 day treatment with a lot of antibiotics and since then my stomach haven't ever bothered me again.
Could you provide some info/links for this cure?
There's actually a wiki article that lists the standard protocol that a lot of research papers also say.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori_eradicatio...
I went through the research papers on the subject and didn't find any indication that one treatment listed in the table did a whole lot better than another combination. Eradication rates seem to be between 70-95 percent depending on the claim of the paper which seems to be in range of likely errors with each paper.
The proton pump inhibitors are over the counter in the US but antibiotics are not (though they are in many other countries). It's a shame that the US is so restrictive here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicobacter_pylori_eradicatio...
I went through the research papers on the subject and didn't find any indication that one treatment listed in the table did a whole lot better than another combination. Eradication rates seem to be between 70-95 percent depending on the claim of the paper which seems to be in range of likely errors with each paper.
The proton pump inhibitors are over the counter in the US but antibiotics are not (though they are in many other countries). It's a shame that the US is so restrictive here.
Not to be crass, but I also kind of wonder what it smells like. Are there scientists who study the smells of these biological systems? Seems like that would be a high bandwidth way to gain insight into a gut.