Experience with Apple Silicon M1 MacBook Pro as a Software Developer(subedi.co)
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Experience with Apple Silicon M1 MacBook Pro as a Software Developer
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> start up is fast, but wake-from-sleep is slow
That’s surprising; “instant wake” is an advertised feature of the AS Macs.
Are you actually referring to how long it takes to get back to the desktop from the Lock Screen? If so, do you perhaps have lots and lots of Chrome tabs open, more than fit in memory, such that some are hibernated; and do you frequently put your Mac to sleep, change its power state (plug/unplug), then wake it up again? If so, that’s Chrome blocking wake by attempting to wake up all the hibernated tabs to tell them the power state changed. I get that all the time on my 2016 MacBook.
That’s surprising; “instant wake” is an advertised feature of the AS Macs.
Are you actually referring to how long it takes to get back to the desktop from the Lock Screen? If so, do you perhaps have lots and lots of Chrome tabs open, more than fit in memory, such that some are hibernated; and do you frequently put your Mac to sleep, change its power state (plug/unplug), then wake it up again? If so, that’s Chrome blocking wake by attempting to wake up all the hibernated tabs to tell them the power state changed. I get that all the time on my 2016 MacBook.
It's not Chrome. If I kill all programs and put my M1 and my 2017 intel to sleep... I can touch the finger print sensor on the M1, then touch the one on the Intel. The intel will be up and running while the M1 is still waking up. It's just a few seconds, but it's a noticeable.
It's hard to take the author seriously when he gushes over the joys of using the touch bar, the life-changing productivity gains of having a faster computer, and - yes - the benefits of down-sizing to a smaller screen. Apple can do no wrong, it seems.
i went from the most expensive 2016 (?) macbook pro 15" with touchbar to the least expensive macbook air M1 and it feels like an absolutely amaaazing upgrade
I'm glad to hear this. My desktop I use for both gaming and work is over 5 years old, and I worry about having my job tied to such an old machine. Since I couldn't source the components I wanted (Ryzen 5800 basically, which did become more available recently), I held off and then got convinced to try an Air M1. So my new laptop is arriving next week.
I've never seriously used OS X outside of struggling through it to develop apps, so I'm a bit nervous. I'm making the switch ironically so I can use MS Office (work is heavy on sharepoint), and for the portability.
I've never seriously used OS X outside of struggling through it to develop apps, so I'm a bit nervous. I'm making the switch ironically so I can use MS Office (work is heavy on sharepoint), and for the portability.
it's so nice, i charge it so rarely i have trouble finding the charger :) super fast too!
A note for any macOS n00bs out there getting M1s: the first rule of having crazy-good battery life on a MacBook is to use Safari. Chrome and Firefox eat battery (and memory, and CPU cycles) like it's free. If you've not used Safari before, you may not realize how bad they are because you haven't seen an example of what "good" looks like. They're quite bad. The weak extension ecosystem kinda sucks, but you're stuck with it unless you like losing 2+ hours of battery life per day (believe it or not, it used to be worse) just for having FF or Chrome open in the background, instead of Safari. Perhaps one glorious day anyone whatsoever making any major software product will care as muh about power & resource use as Apple does. That day is not today.
Do this especially since you're probably not gonna be able to avoid using at least a couple resource-hog Electron apps, so you need to save your battery for them.
Also: Apple's first-party "apps" in general are pretty great. Preview is a religious experience. Terminal.app is one of the best GUI terminal emulators on any platform. Give them a shot if you're not used to bundled software being much good.
Do this especially since you're probably not gonna be able to avoid using at least a couple resource-hog Electron apps, so you need to save your battery for them.
Also: Apple's first-party "apps" in general are pretty great. Preview is a religious experience. Terminal.app is one of the best GUI terminal emulators on any platform. Give them a shot if you're not used to bundled software being much good.
The Text/Shapes/Charts styling that make Keynote slides so consistently nice is also available with the same UI in Numbers (Excel) and Pages (Word).
With the ability to have multiple tables next to and around Keynote styled diagrams and notes on a single, giant zoomable sheet-canvas with all the usual spreadsheet functionality, Numbers quickly replaced my personal Excel usage.
With the ability to have multiple tables next to and around Keynote styled diagrams and notes on a single, giant zoomable sheet-canvas with all the usual spreadsheet functionality, Numbers quickly replaced my personal Excel usage.
Oh yeah, I love the "office suite". It reminds me of when I ran Linux and used some of the lighter, alternative office-type options (OpenOffice was so damn heavy and not all that pleasant to use) like Gnumeric, Abiword, et c., except... well, much better in almost every way. But I don't have to interop with MS Office very often so I'm not sure if they're much good at that. Certainly they beat the hell out of using resource-hog Google Docs tabs, though, plus they're way more pleasant (far less laggy, for one thing).
Notes is nice. I wish it had a 1st-party export solution. Markdown as an option for formatting would be good but it's not a deal-breaker. Being able to drag all kinds of crap, including entire PDFs(!) into Notes and have it Just Work is pretty great.
Preview is so, so good. Thanks to it, macOS is the only platform I've ever used where I don't hesitate even a second to open a PDF. Plus it's great at so many other things.
Notes is nice. I wish it had a 1st-party export solution. Markdown as an option for formatting would be good but it's not a deal-breaker. Being able to drag all kinds of crap, including entire PDFs(!) into Notes and have it Just Work is pretty great.
Preview is so, so good. Thanks to it, macOS is the only platform I've ever used where I don't hesitate even a second to open a PDF. Plus it's great at so many other things.
Me too! It’s been awesome, it is very snappy and the battery life is 10/10. If I need anything more beefy or better software support I’m just an ssh away.
The big difference is when you get the ARM binaries. The launch time feels about 10x faster.
Excited for Q3/4 release of the new MacBook this year. I believe a nice screen redesign is in the works which will get rid of the outdated bezels and I'm hoping I can connect two displays. Throw in a possible few more cores for the M1X 16inch version and give me a 32GB ram option and sounds like a pc which will last for many years.
> sounds like a pc which will last for many years
I really want this as well, but I'm a bit sceptical: would any company release a product soooo good so that their users don't need to buy new models of such product for many years?
I still have a 2015 MBP that works like the first day although I would like to increase the disk and ram. 5 years with the same model; that's a lot. I know many people who replaces their laptops every 2 or 3 years. Now, I have the impression that a model like the one you just described, is a model that could easily "last" for more than 5 years without trouble. Wouldn't that hurt Apple's sales long-term?
I really want this as well, but I'm a bit sceptical: would any company release a product soooo good so that their users don't need to buy new models of such product for many years?
I still have a 2015 MBP that works like the first day although I would like to increase the disk and ram. 5 years with the same model; that's a lot. I know many people who replaces their laptops every 2 or 3 years. Now, I have the impression that a model like the one you just described, is a model that could easily "last" for more than 5 years without trouble. Wouldn't that hurt Apple's sales long-term?
>would any company release a product soooo good so that their users don't need to buy new models of such product for many years?
Every person that I know with a Mac or an iPhone still has it and it's usable for years after they're done with it. I know some people that are still using their iPhone 6S because it has a headphone jack and that phone is almost 7 years old at this point.
Every person that I know with a Mac or an iPhone still has it and it's usable for years after they're done with it. I know some people that are still using their iPhone 6S because it has a headphone jack and that phone is almost 7 years old at this point.
I personally think that the 2015 MBP was the last best value MacBook that would of been the one to last you plenty of years and looks like it has for you. The MacBooks since then have not had much of an noticeable improvement (other than new M1's) and even regressions with the keyboard issues, heat issues etc.
I'm hoping this years gen will be like that 2015 model. But I share your concerns, knowing Apple they will gimp it somewhere like not allowing 2 monitors or limiting to 16GB then have next years model have it which will prob increase sales by a ton long term.
I'm hoping this years gen will be like that 2015 model. But I share your concerns, knowing Apple they will gimp it somewhere like not allowing 2 monitors or limiting to 16GB then have next years model have it which will prob increase sales by a ton long term.
Yeah I got the 2014 MBP and was thinking of getting a new battery for it rather than replacing the whole laptop. Very nice machine.
I literally just switched from a 2012 Mac Mini to a stop-gap 2018 model (waiting for Docker on the M1 before I move to that).
That’s almost 9 years on one machine and I didn’t have to switch; I just wanted to dabble in the latest iOS dev on Big Sur (which is unsupported on the 2012 model)
That’s almost 9 years on one machine and I didn’t have to switch; I just wanted to dabble in the latest iOS dev on Big Sur (which is unsupported on the 2012 model)
That they last so long (and, consequently, have high resale value even when they're several years old) is part of why Apple can charge so much in the first place. The resale-value thing also helps people justify those 2-3 year replacement cycles.
Keeps you in the ecosystem, on Apple's services. And a top-end MBP will cost >$3k, which I don't think people buying laptops every 2-3 years spend.
This guy seriously needs to learn how to style paragraphs. No one wants to read edge-to-edge.
Hey "This guy" here, any suggestions on how to style them better? My blog is still a work in progress, but I am always looking for ways to improve things.
If you're rolling CSS, etc. yourself work through this free resource: https://practicaltypography.com/ You will learn a ton in a short time.
Alternatively grab a design system built by someone who already took care of all the typography decisions.
Alternatively grab a design system built by someone who already took care of all the typography decisions.
The typography looks nice, but it is not optimized for reading.
If you want something that will work well, copy the font and color styles from medium or substack. They've done all the research for you.
Here's a full list of the issues
- There's not enough contrast. The text color needs to be darker.
- The font is too large.
- The paragraph width is too wide
- The font weight is too light
If you want something that will work well, copy the font and color styles from medium or substack. They've done all the research for you.
Here's a full list of the issues
- There's not enough contrast. The text color needs to be darker.
- The font is too large.
- The paragraph width is too wide
- The font weight is too light
Shrink the 1.7em font-size, it's way too big for reading
I think that's honestly a bigger issue than paragraph width
I think that's honestly a bigger issue than paragraph width
The advice to read Practical Typography is good, but ironically not super practical. It would be a lot of time invested for a small practical benefit in this narrow situation.
Personally, I think you could increase the contrast between text and whitespace more (i.e. use a darker font color, maybe #222), shrink the font-size a little as the other comment said, and most importantly, set a max-width so that the text doesn't expand arbitrarily when viewed on larger screens. 700 or 900px feels nice to me.
Personally, I think you could increase the contrast between text and whitespace more (i.e. use a darker font color, maybe #222), shrink the font-size a little as the other comment said, and most importantly, set a max-width so that the text doesn't expand arbitrarily when viewed on larger screens. 700 or 900px feels nice to me.
I saw the thin grey on white hard to read font and immediate thought "must be a web designer using Mac OS" and wasn't surprised to learn I was right.
A good start is using an Accessibility Contrast Checker. https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
A good start is using an Accessibility Contrast Checker. https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
I don't understand what you mean?
You can indicate how wide you prefer your paragraphs to be by sizing your browser window appropriately.
Very happy with my MacBook Air M1, working mostly on TypeScript Node.js and React projects.
The first couple of weeks I used the Rosetta Terminal as described in this and many other blog post, until I found out this was not necessary at all for Node.js as described over here: https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm/issues/2350#issuecomment-73413....
The only blocking issue was Docker so I used VSCode remote until they released the M1 preview. So with that and the release of HomeBrew 3.0.0 last month and many macOS apps adding M1 support, everything is now running smoothly for me and I think it's a really great machine to use as a developer.
Also, the battery life truly is amazing, and boy am I glad I finally got rid of that touch bar and that ridiculous butterfly keyboard.
The first couple of weeks I used the Rosetta Terminal as described in this and many other blog post, until I found out this was not necessary at all for Node.js as described over here: https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm/issues/2350#issuecomment-73413....
The only blocking issue was Docker so I used VSCode remote until they released the M1 preview. So with that and the release of HomeBrew 3.0.0 last month and many macOS apps adding M1 support, everything is now running smoothly for me and I think it's a really great machine to use as a developer.
Also, the battery life truly is amazing, and boy am I glad I finally got rid of that touch bar and that ridiculous butterfly keyboard.
My M1 MacBook Pro's been an excellent purchase. It's incredibly fast, and silent even when I'm running intensive builds e.g. building new versions of LLVM. Best investment I've made this year.
I have only two nitpicks with my M1 Mac: (1) it's not a good fit for virtualization (whether docker or VMs) -- but this limitation is well-known, and (2) the only time I see slowdowns is occasionally when opening a new tab in Safari -- even when almost nothing else is running. The second one also happened on my Intel Mac, just a bummer that the issue hasn't magically gone away.
Beyond that, I wouldn't change a thing about this machine. Very easy to recommend!
Beyond that, I wouldn't change a thing about this machine. Very easy to recommend!
Have you given UTM (https://github.com/utmapp/UTM) a try? It can run ARM and Intel virtual machines. It's basically a wrapper around QEMU, and it can be a little unstable depending on your chosen configuration, but it'll work in a pinch.
I suspect I’d need something more mature and performant but I appreciate the recommendation!
the opening a tab in safari one gets me pretty often too. On both m1 and intel machine. Very strange!
I trimmed down on my bookmarks, switched to a blank page on new tab, and restricted history to only go back a month. Also disabled most extensions. The problem seems to have gotten better for me.
I play games on my Air, with it in my lap. Cannot do that with my i9 as it will make me sterile with the heat!
These are games like factorio and CIV6. Only two years ago, a similarly priced (~$1000) dell ultralight was unable to play CIV6 at all (ok, it managed 1 frame every 2 seconds). My M1 Air plays it for hours.
These are games like factorio and CIV6. Only two years ago, a similarly priced (~$1000) dell ultralight was unable to play CIV6 at all (ok, it managed 1 frame every 2 seconds). My M1 Air plays it for hours.
> I feel like the people that complain about this are the ones who have a hard time changing their workflows to use the TouchBar, and still do things the old school way using function keys
This was particularly painful to read. The mandatory new option that is the touchbar upended what was working fine for something that, for touch typists, is totally inferior. There's no feedback! This is a foundational aspect of usability; for apple to ignore this is a huge mistake.
This was particularly painful to read. The mandatory new option that is the touchbar upended what was working fine for something that, for touch typists, is totally inferior. There's no feedback! This is a foundational aspect of usability; for apple to ignore this is a huge mistake.
This was my initial reaction as well, because I absolutely loathe the touch bar.
One thing I've been pondering - I've been asking myself: "why on earth would someone actually like the touchbar...ever?". And I wonder if the answer has something to do with the new generation of technologists. The generation that has been using touch on phones/tablets from the beginning of their technology journey.
I have no idea if this has merit, but as someone who hasn't looked at a keyboard while typing in two decades (unless it has a touchbar), that's the only thing I can imagine. Maybe I'd be ok with it if I grew up with it.
One thing I've been pondering - I've been asking myself: "why on earth would someone actually like the touchbar...ever?". And I wonder if the answer has something to do with the new generation of technologists. The generation that has been using touch on phones/tablets from the beginning of their technology journey.
I have no idea if this has merit, but as someone who hasn't looked at a keyboard while typing in two decades (unless it has a touchbar), that's the only thing I can imagine. Maybe I'd be ok with it if I grew up with it.
I am a vim user for many years who loves the Touch Bar now that I have my escape key back.
I like adjusting brightness and volume with a slider. You can tap and hold the brightness or volume icon on the touch bar and slide it to where you want. Repeatedly tapping physical buttons feels vulgar by comparison.
I like seeing the progress and having transport controls of my full screen videos.
I like having the little animation draw my attention when I can use touchid for something.
In general it feels futuristic, fun, and like a way better use of the space than physical keys that I would almost never use.
If you’re someone who uses the function keys (JetBrains users maybe?) I can see feeling the same way I did about esc.
To me, using function keys is un-apple-ish.
I have command, control, and option keys that allow me to be quite expressive without moving my hands away from the home area of the board.
Perhaps those with larger hands can reach the function keys without disrupting their positioning. For me it is not possible.
At that point I may as well reach for a mouse or a touchpad.
I like adjusting brightness and volume with a slider. You can tap and hold the brightness or volume icon on the touch bar and slide it to where you want. Repeatedly tapping physical buttons feels vulgar by comparison.
I like seeing the progress and having transport controls of my full screen videos.
I like having the little animation draw my attention when I can use touchid for something.
In general it feels futuristic, fun, and like a way better use of the space than physical keys that I would almost never use.
If you’re someone who uses the function keys (JetBrains users maybe?) I can see feeling the same way I did about esc.
To me, using function keys is un-apple-ish.
I have command, control, and option keys that allow me to be quite expressive without moving my hands away from the home area of the board.
Perhaps those with larger hands can reach the function keys without disrupting their positioning. For me it is not possible.
At that point I may as well reach for a mouse or a touchpad.
This response is fascinating to me, primarily because my personal preference is almost completely the opposite.
One thing that strikes me though: of the things you mentioned that you like about the touchbar, many of them don't necessarily need to live in that area of the keyboard.
I should also clarify one thing: I do like that the touchbar can visualize things in context (and I find the things you mentioned cool), but I wouldn't choose that over the physical keys.
For me, the perfect middle ground would be a bar above the function row that doesn't try to be both things. Or perhaps somewhere else entirely (to the right or left of the trackpad?)
> Perhaps those with larger hands can reach the function keys without disrupting their positioning. For me it is not possible.
This could be part of the issue as well. I can reach without issue, but I can understand why this doesn't work for everyone.
One thing that strikes me though: of the things you mentioned that you like about the touchbar, many of them don't necessarily need to live in that area of the keyboard.
I should also clarify one thing: I do like that the touchbar can visualize things in context (and I find the things you mentioned cool), but I wouldn't choose that over the physical keys.
For me, the perfect middle ground would be a bar above the function row that doesn't try to be both things. Or perhaps somewhere else entirely (to the right or left of the trackpad?)
> Perhaps those with larger hands can reach the function keys without disrupting their positioning. For me it is not possible.
This could be part of the issue as well. I can reach without issue, but I can understand why this doesn't work for everyone.
Both would be nice, or an option (heaven forbid!)
I am surprised Apple even tried to get us all to like the Touch Bar after how much people disliked the "Adaptive keyboard"* on 2nd gen x1 carbons. I definitely resented mine.
* https://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/01/stop-trying-to-innovat...
I am surprised Apple even tried to get us all to like the Touch Bar after how much people disliked the "Adaptive keyboard"* on 2nd gen x1 carbons. I definitely resented mine.
* https://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/01/stop-trying-to-innovat...
> To me, using function keys is un-apple-ish.
To add to this point, I don’t recall using the function keys for anything other than adjusting brightness or volume or similar functions that aren’t associated with application specific features.
> I have command, control, and option keys that allow me to be quite expressive without moving my hands away from the home area of the board.
This is true, with the Command and Option keys providing many choices of keyboard actions if one learns about them. But in general, macOS is not as keyboard friendly as Windows (or Linux), where many things have keyboard access by default across applications. But this is digressing from the function keys and Touch Bar points.
To add to this point, I don’t recall using the function keys for anything other than adjusting brightness or volume or similar functions that aren’t associated with application specific features.
> I have command, control, and option keys that allow me to be quite expressive without moving my hands away from the home area of the board.
This is true, with the Command and Option keys providing many choices of keyboard actions if one learns about them. But in general, macOS is not as keyboard friendly as Windows (or Linux), where many things have keyboard access by default across applications. But this is digressing from the function keys and Touch Bar points.
> "why on earth would someone actually like the touchbar...ever?"
Because it's programmable. I'm a programmer. I like things to be programmable.
I've got no hope of remembering what a key like F6 means in a given context - it's a meaningless number. The Touch Bar lets me have context-sensitive keys I can actually understand and use.
Because it's programmable. I'm a programmer. I like things to be programmable.
I've got no hope of remembering what a key like F6 means in a given context - it's a meaningless number. The Touch Bar lets me have context-sensitive keys I can actually understand and use.
> Because it's programmable. I'm a programmer. I like things to be programmable.
This is not sufficient on its own. It's possible to have a programmable keyboard that has no screen. It's also possible to have a programmable screen that doesn't take over the function row (a row that has existed since the earliest days of computing).
> I've got no hope of remembering what a key like F6 means in a given context - it's a meaningless number
This doesn't make sense to me at all. Do you use keyboard shortcuts in the apps you use? How does Ctrl-Alt-Shift-V hit you? What about vim or emacs bindings?
We memorize a large number of things that are just as 'meaningless' as F6, so I'm struggling to get on board with this take.
> The Touch Bar lets me have context-sensitive keys I can actually understand and use.
As a touch typist, the changing context of a position on that row means I can no longer rely on my memory of the position of the key. I have to re-learn the meaning of that position for every app that uses that position for some other purpose.
For me, this is just as insurmountable as F6 is for you.
This is not sufficient on its own. It's possible to have a programmable keyboard that has no screen. It's also possible to have a programmable screen that doesn't take over the function row (a row that has existed since the earliest days of computing).
> I've got no hope of remembering what a key like F6 means in a given context - it's a meaningless number
This doesn't make sense to me at all. Do you use keyboard shortcuts in the apps you use? How does Ctrl-Alt-Shift-V hit you? What about vim or emacs bindings?
We memorize a large number of things that are just as 'meaningless' as F6, so I'm struggling to get on board with this take.
> The Touch Bar lets me have context-sensitive keys I can actually understand and use.
As a touch typist, the changing context of a position on that row means I can no longer rely on my memory of the position of the key. I have to re-learn the meaning of that position for every app that uses that position for some other purpose.
For me, this is just as insurmountable as F6 is for you.
> Do you use keyboard shortcuts in the apps you use?
Not really. If they're presented to me via the Touch Bar then yes.
> How does Ctrl-Alt-Shift-V hit you?
Never heard of it! Doesn't sound very intuitive! What do all those keys mean and why are those in that order and how do you discover them? If it was on the Touch Bar I could just see the icon and discover it and learn the muscle memory.
> What about vim or emacs bindings?
But I don't use these editors. And why do they need special bindings anyway?
> We memorize a large number of things that are just as 'meaningless' as F6, so I'm struggling to get on board with this take.
Seems like it should be the computer's job to memorise things, not mine? I don't want to rote learn F6 = step-over in my debugger. That's not a good use of my time. I want an icon I can see when I look for a function key, then learn the muscle memory to keep hitting.
'F6' means nothing to me. Where am I supposed to look that up? In a manual? I don't want these kind of context-switches.
> As a touch typist, the changing context of a position on that row means I can no longer rely on my memory of the position of the key.
The keys don't move on the Touch Bar. If you're using muscle memory they're in the same place each time so you're fine and there's no problem!
Not really. If they're presented to me via the Touch Bar then yes.
> How does Ctrl-Alt-Shift-V hit you?
Never heard of it! Doesn't sound very intuitive! What do all those keys mean and why are those in that order and how do you discover them? If it was on the Touch Bar I could just see the icon and discover it and learn the muscle memory.
> What about vim or emacs bindings?
But I don't use these editors. And why do they need special bindings anyway?
> We memorize a large number of things that are just as 'meaningless' as F6, so I'm struggling to get on board with this take.
Seems like it should be the computer's job to memorise things, not mine? I don't want to rote learn F6 = step-over in my debugger. That's not a good use of my time. I want an icon I can see when I look for a function key, then learn the muscle memory to keep hitting.
'F6' means nothing to me. Where am I supposed to look that up? In a manual? I don't want these kind of context-switches.
> As a touch typist, the changing context of a position on that row means I can no longer rely on my memory of the position of the key.
The keys don't move on the Touch Bar. If you're using muscle memory they're in the same place each time so you're fine and there's no problem!
> 'F6' means nothing to me. Where am I supposed to look that up? In a manual? I don't want these kind of context-switches.
Yes. Yes, you are meant to look up the keyboard shortcuts of software programs in their manual, or Google them, or otherwise RTFM. It's part of learning one's tools.
Speaking from personal experience, the critical importance of memorizing keyboard shortcuts was drilled into me by years of PC gaming as a kid and teen. (Imagine playing StarCraft with just the mouse... Ugh.) I wonder if people who grew up with computer games are more likely to embrace keyboard shortcuts later in life.
Yes. Yes, you are meant to look up the keyboard shortcuts of software programs in their manual, or Google them, or otherwise RTFM. It's part of learning one's tools.
Speaking from personal experience, the critical importance of memorizing keyboard shortcuts was drilled into me by years of PC gaming as a kid and teen. (Imagine playing StarCraft with just the mouse... Ugh.) I wonder if people who grew up with computer games are more likely to embrace keyboard shortcuts later in life.
> It's part of learning one's tools.
Why don’t the tools learn me? Learn to show me buttons that I’d want to use in the right context? Why are the tools so broken that they need to be learned rather than being intuitive?
I feel I’m pretty productive without learning archaic key combinations. Typing is rarely my bottleneck - thinking is.
What am I missing? What makes it worth learning these spells?
(Yes I don’t play or know anything about computer games - maybe that’s it.)
Why don’t the tools learn me? Learn to show me buttons that I’d want to use in the right context? Why are the tools so broken that they need to be learned rather than being intuitive?
I feel I’m pretty productive without learning archaic key combinations. Typing is rarely my bottleneck - thinking is.
What am I missing? What makes it worth learning these spells?
(Yes I don’t play or know anything about computer games - maybe that’s it.)
Because "why don't the tools learn me" describes a perfect world, a fantastical end state worth working toward, but which we just don't live in yet. It's akin to questioning why we still bother with locks on doors when burglary and theft are solved problems in a post-scarcity society.
I'd love better design, UX, and discoverability in all software tools everywhere, but the grim reality is that this just isn't the case and won't be for many years. Until then, I can say again from personal experience that it was well worth it for me to Google the keyboard shortcuts for terminal cursor movements, greatly reducing friction between me and my filesystem. Similarly, occasionally bringing up the VSCode or RStudio keyboard shortcuts reference windows is well worth it to reduce the friction between my thoughts and my results. It's like going from hunt-and-peck typing ("why can't the input device just learn how to understand my speech?") to touch-typing faster than you can write by hand.
Come to think of it, resistance to plentiful keyboard shortcuts is not something I would have expected to read on HN of all places, yet here we are!
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I'd love better design, UX, and discoverability in all software tools everywhere, but the grim reality is that this just isn't the case and won't be for many years. Until then, I can say again from personal experience that it was well worth it for me to Google the keyboard shortcuts for terminal cursor movements, greatly reducing friction between me and my filesystem. Similarly, occasionally bringing up the VSCode or RStudio keyboard shortcuts reference windows is well worth it to reduce the friction between my thoughts and my results. It's like going from hunt-and-peck typing ("why can't the input device just learn how to understand my speech?") to touch-typing faster than you can write by hand.
Come to think of it, resistance to plentiful keyboard shortcuts is not something I would have expected to read on HN of all places, yet here we are!
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I know what the commonly used F-keys do for tasks I perform often. They are just as context-sensitive as the touch bar, except they don't display the action on the key. You're trading that display for tactile feedback that there's a key there you can press and that the key press was registered. Seems like putting a screen in the keyboard would satisfy both, but wouldn't satisfy the slider use cases.
The Optimus Maximus [0] keyboard comes to mind. Pair this kind of tech with one or two dedicated slider controls placed somewhere else on the keyboard, and I think you have the best of both worlds.
- [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Maximus_keyboard
- [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Maximus_keyboard
Back in the ancient times, people would put overlays on their keyboards... some still do, for things like DAW editing stations, video editing, etc. :)
Can’t wait for all the keys to be programmable screens that show shortcuts based on context.
Yeah that'd probably be the best of all.
i can't see how... touch has so many downsides vs a feedback physical button. One day maybe we will get best of both worlds dynamic buttons that morph the screen so you get tactile feeling of buttons and no actuation until they are physically pushed.
its like how roku tv offers remote control app for phones.. vs a physical device that you can change volume, channels etc without even looking at the device and in the dark, every time i used the app i had to see where to press couldn't do it blindly because i had no idea if i was pushing anything or the wrong button. How can anyone like touch interfaces if it could be done with physical buttons?
its like how roku tv offers remote control app for phones.. vs a physical device that you can change volume, channels etc without even looking at the device and in the dark, every time i used the app i had to see where to press couldn't do it blindly because i had no idea if i was pushing anything or the wrong button. How can anyone like touch interfaces if it could be done with physical buttons?
I liked the touchbar, and I worked to make it the best it could be. I used BetterTouchTool and spent tons of time hacking my preferred widgets in – Spotify, weather, calendar, etc.
And then I bought a 2021 MacBook Air, without a touchbar, and I found it so much more pleasant. I find the touchbar to be a failed experiment. I no longer want one ever again. I just want buttons for my brightness and music.
And then I bought a 2021 MacBook Air, without a touchbar, and I found it so much more pleasant. I find the touchbar to be a failed experiment. I no longer want one ever again. I just want buttons for my brightness and music.
I could not agree more. Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change, but I mess with volume 100x times a day and it went from something that requires one touch without looking to multiple touches and a lot of activating SIRI by mistake. I get why people make fun of such complaints, but it's a very front-and-center pain point.
> Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change
I honestly wouldn't even say it's that small of a change. Apple took an extremely common activity that worked without a thought and turned it into something you constantly have to look at and think about. This is especially annoying in the context of the posted article, where saving fractions of a second opening an app is one of the biggest pluses listed. At least to me, the former is much worse than the latter is beneficial.
I honestly wouldn't even say it's that small of a change. Apple took an extremely common activity that worked without a thought and turned it into something you constantly have to look at and think about. This is especially annoying in the context of the posted article, where saving fractions of a second opening an app is one of the biggest pluses listed. At least to me, the former is much worse than the latter is beneficial.
How do you figure? Press and slide to your desired volume in one motion. The new volume control is one of the reasons I now prefer the Touch Bar (in addition to scrubbing through media). I used to have to tap the volume button multiple times to get to my desired volume level but now I just tap/swipe and I'm done.
Edit: Looks like everyone else already said the same thing. Sorry!
Edit: Looks like everyone else already said the same thing. Sorry!
It's interesting to me that people have such different reactions. I'm much more concerned with mute/unmute than with volume level. Not sure if that makes a difference. I don't mind a slight delay to change the volume of a youtube video or something, but when I need to respond on a conference call, I want to be able to instantly mute my volume.
You can still do that. If you just tap the volume button, it toggles between mute and unmute.
Also not a fan of the touchbar, but since I learned that you can tap on volume and immediately slide left/right, it's ok for me.
Even there, I don't know if it's a brain-finger disconnect or something, but about 10% of the time when I hit and slide, apparently I miss, because I slide my finger around and nothing happens.
If it were <1% of the time, no problem.
Also, the fact I have to glance down to do it (on my external keyboard I just jab my pinky up really quick, don't have to look at all) makes me angry every time.
If it were <1% of the time, no problem.
Also, the fact I have to glance down to do it (on my external keyboard I just jab my pinky up really quick, don't have to look at all) makes me angry every time.
Very first thing I did with my machine was remove Siri from the Touch Bar, you can customise the layout in the keyboard preferences if you haven’t already. But I agree, real bad default
Protip: You can control the volume in one touch by starting at the volume icon and swiping left or right!
I've been suffering through the touchbar for a few years now and I STILL cannot do this properly. I certainly can't do it without stopping what I am doing and looking at the bar. I tend to either hit mute, Siri, or (if I'm at an unusual angle) I dim the screen. And this happens a LOT of times per day. When I'm on a system with actual buttons it is never, ever an issue.
Yeah. Press on it and start moving and it gives you a volume bar to fine tune the volume, same with brightness. Most other scale-like or timeline controls are similar (versus toggle controls) if they show up in the touch bar for an application.
Protip: you can press a button and train muscle memory, oh - wait.
I have to disable most of the Touch Bar (set it not to change with context, and replace most of it with a blank "spacer") to make it usable. I tend to just barely brush it when striking number keys during normal typing (which happens a lot for parens and such when programming—and just now, in fact) which makes it do crazy stuff like open iTunes (because I "pressed" the media play button). Real buttons don't do that because you have to push down on them to activate them, not ever-so-slightly brush the bottom edge, which is why I'd never noticed, in my 25ish years of touch-typing, that I did that, until I used a TouchBar MacBook.
I also have to disable force-touch (or whatever it's called on there) on the trackpad, for models that have that, or else my drag-&-drop success rate is reduced from about 100% to more like 30%. Took me quite a while to figure out why that was happening. Luckily I have no clue why I'd want that feature in the first place, so I don't miss it. I don't have any kind of motor-function disorder, I just can't drag-&-drop while maintaining perfectly even pressure, I guess.
I also have to disable force-touch (or whatever it's called on there) on the trackpad, for models that have that, or else my drag-&-drop success rate is reduced from about 100% to more like 30%. Took me quite a while to figure out why that was happening. Luckily I have no clue why I'd want that feature in the first place, so I don't miss it. I don't have any kind of motor-function disorder, I just can't drag-&-drop while maintaining perfectly even pressure, I guess.
I am so glad my M1 Air does not have a touch bar. I use my i9 pro almost exclusively with a magic keyboard (which has function keys). Die Touch Bar, die!
I'm one of the few many who actually like the touchbar. I use it all the time for changing screenshot capture modes. The volume problem doesn't bother me. I also re-binded escape to caps lock so I don't have the infuriating escape button issue, especially when toggling Vim modes.
One issue though, is that the touch app crashes sometimes and I need to cycle it's service. This happens rarely since I have updated to catalina 10.15.7, however, previously I would encounter the issue every month
One issue though, is that the touch app crashes sometimes and I need to cycle it's service. This happens rarely since I have updated to catalina 10.15.7, however, previously I would encounter the issue every month
I'd bet that Apple is killing the touch bar in the next hardware design revision. [0]
They kept the same body while changing out the chip, I suspect the next update will bring the end of the Touchbar.
The M1 is awesome though - it makes the Intel MBA seem like garbage. I was helping my SO set up some stuff for a presentation (Zoom, Mmhmm) and the Intel MBA fan was screaming, the video had unusable lag, the entire thing was locking up.
We switched to my M1 with no fan and everything was fast and flawless.
Meanwhile Intel is pushing nonsense like this: https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/02/08/2221233/intel-b...
Intel is in trouble - this is an e-risk for their business.
[0]: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/15/apple-removing-touch-ba...
They kept the same body while changing out the chip, I suspect the next update will bring the end of the Touchbar.
The M1 is awesome though - it makes the Intel MBA seem like garbage. I was helping my SO set up some stuff for a presentation (Zoom, Mmhmm) and the Intel MBA fan was screaming, the video had unusable lag, the entire thing was locking up.
We switched to my M1 with no fan and everything was fast and flawless.
Meanwhile Intel is pushing nonsense like this: https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/02/08/2221233/intel-b...
Intel is in trouble - this is an e-risk for their business.
[0]: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/15/apple-removing-touch-ba...
Only 2 ports? My Mac has all 4 USB-C ports in use, two of those connect to hubs so I can multiplex them, and I have to unplug something to connect my backup drive because 4 isn't enough. I look forward to a more reasonable number of external ports.
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I’ve had people, before Apple Silicon came out, tell me I was full of it when I said all evidence pointed to it being pretty damn impressive. So I feel a bit of schadenfreude seeing these posts.
I still don’t have a new MacBook with it because they don’t support multiple external monitors yet, but hey, maybe this year.
I still don’t have a new MacBook with it because they don’t support multiple external monitors yet, but hey, maybe this year.
Then get the MacMini. it is beautiful with 2 4K screens. Super cheap too.
That turns things into a mess for me, as I already have a USB-C dock I use for a work laptop and the Mac Mini doesn’t support dual displays via USB-C alone.
TL;DR — if you don’t use docker, things are good.
The positives are that it is very fast and battery life is great!