Porting Doom to a USB Bluetooth Dongle(next-hack.com)
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Porting Doom to a USB Bluetooth Dongle
https://next-hack.com/index.php/2021/11/13/porting-doom-to-an-nrf52840-based-usb-bluetooth-le-dongle/
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Interesting how a modern USB Bluetooth dongle is more powerful than a proper computer from 40 years ago, and much smaller as well.
Reminds me of the article on HN some months ago where someone got a form of Lunix running on the controller SoC within a hard drive. Incredible what power is being packed into other devices, these days.
http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack perhaps, with the backdoor that adds an extra user when /etc/shadow is read from the drive?
That's the one I was thinking of!
Why lunix? I assume you mean Linux, I've seen it written this way a few times and am wondering where it comes from
Typo, nothing more nothing less.
Also interesting is how, given that, we still have slow and unresponsive software that often isn't doing much more than we did 40 years ago.
We use additional compute power to enable frameworks and abstractions that allow code to be written faster. Sure it's bloated but at least there is a reason.
Is code actually being written faster? Or with fewer people? I am not convinced that it is.
Yeah, this is my experience too.
I view it more as beauracracy; in order to get my job done I now also have to understand a whole lot of arbitrary systems created by a group of programmers on the other side of the world.
If you break out of the desktop/mobile environment and into embedded, it's genuinely liberating.
If you break out of the desktop/mobile environment and into embedded, it's genuinely liberating.
one thing to consider is that the types of people writing code are very different. In the 80s it took geniuses to write a simple videogame within ram constraints. Now that is a feasible final project for an intro CS class.
I don't think it did.
Electrical engineers still write incredibly low-level code in embedded programming courses - we did some pretty interesting shit in MIPS assembler before we even touched C++ - and I doubt we were any smarter than the CompSci kids.
I think it's primarily a cultural difference - modern CompSci people love treating everything as an academic exercise and hand-waving away complexity, whereas the old-school "hackers" (before CompSci was really a huge thing) would love getting into the nitty-gritty of things and didn't really give a damn about whether or not they were following best practices.
If the average CompSci student (who, to be fair, is smart but not Genius-level) spent as much time reading the spec sheet for the Motorola 68000 as they did learning how and when a Turing Machine halts, they'd have no issue understanding 80's video game code.
Electrical engineers still write incredibly low-level code in embedded programming courses - we did some pretty interesting shit in MIPS assembler before we even touched C++ - and I doubt we were any smarter than the CompSci kids.
I think it's primarily a cultural difference - modern CompSci people love treating everything as an academic exercise and hand-waving away complexity, whereas the old-school "hackers" (before CompSci was really a huge thing) would love getting into the nitty-gritty of things and didn't really give a damn about whether or not they were following best practices.
If the average CompSci student (who, to be fair, is smart but not Genius-level) spent as much time reading the spec sheet for the Motorola 68000 as they did learning how and when a Turing Machine halts, they'd have no issue understanding 80's video game code.
Yes, 100%. Without question. I know it's trendy to hate modern languages and frameworks but they do reduce overall dev time even if they have more of an initial learning overhead.
Apples USB-C charging bricks are quite capable on their own. The new 140W brick uses a 32-bit Arm Cortex-M0 STM32G0-series microcontroller with 36K RAM, 128K flash ROM, running at 64MHz.
Source: 9:45 minute mark of the video in this article: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/29/teardown-shows-details-of-app...
Source: 9:45 minute mark of the video in this article: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/29/teardown-shows-details-of-app...
At some point Apple is going to start putting S-series chip in those chargers.
What can you possibly do to need such computing power for a switching power supply... I wonder
STM32G0 is as already the lowest end current MCU line from ST (if you ignore the STM8 line of 8-bit MCUs)
USB PD is a fairly complex protocol. I can safely plug my phone into my MacBook charger now because both ends can negotiate a suitable power level. We’re not just doing 5V 1A anymore. The CPU they chose is probably a little overkill, but it’s nicer than 8-bit microcontrollers to write programs for since it’s just Arm.
Who knows, maybe they have a bunch of internal sensors and can intelligently react to high temperatures or moisture.
Who knows, maybe they have a bunch of internal sensors and can intelligently react to high temperatures or moisture.
Have you tried turning your charger off and on again?
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I worked on the kernel parts of the pre smart phones.
When GSM was invented, there was real doubt that it might not be possible to meet the very specific timing needs on the hardware that was available at the time.
I remember when we had to integrate Bluetooth into our 16 bit, 8Mhz Infineon E-gold platform. We had ~20 people working on it for 2 years.
When GSM was invented, there was real doubt that it might not be possible to meet the very specific timing needs on the hardware that was available at the time.
I remember when we had to integrate Bluetooth into our 16 bit, 8Mhz Infineon E-gold platform. We had ~20 people working on it for 2 years.
Doom is less that 30 years old and was resource-intensive for the time.
So maybe the PineTime watch[1] could also run doom, it uses almost the same SoC except with less RAM and flash
[1] https://pine64.com/product/pinetime-smartwatch-sealed/
[1] https://pine64.com/product/pinetime-smartwatch-sealed/
Doom is becoming the NetBSD of computer games. People managed to port it everywhere
I'm pretty sure Doom de-throned NetBSD at least a decade ago.
I would ask "Is there a BSDoom?" but this[0] might qualify.
[0] https://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/
[0] https://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/
Linux beat NetBSD ages ago.
Most Linux distributions dropped support for older architectures (Motorola 68K, Sparc, Vax and the likes) that NetBSD still somewhat actively supports [1].
Heck, many Linux distributions dropped even i386...
[1] https://www.netbsd.org/ports/#ports-tier2
[1] https://www.netbsd.org/ports/#ports-tier2
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if some one ported doom to their electric toothbrush.
Have you seen Doom on a pregnancy test?
https://twitter.com/foone/status/1302820468819288066?s=21
https://twitter.com/foone/status/1302820468819288066?s=21
It's not actually running on the original hardware, it's running on external hardware which is controlling the display
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1302913385764458498
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1302913385764458498
where "on a pregnancy test" means "they ripped out the original hardware from a pregnancy test and put in a new controller and new display, which then shows Doom"
It's even simpler than this. On the "pregnancy test" Doom is actually running on a pc and the scaled video is sent via usb to the replaced microcontroller which drives the replaced display. Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Foone/status/1302834931421175809
hah! no, but, real or not, that's hilarious!
That's true, but I guess it will take some years until manufacturers leave behind the proven line-up of cheap mikrocontrollers like the TI MSP430. They're so ubiquitous in these applications, TI even provides a Electric Toothbrush Controller Reference Design if you want to have a look at it.
Now this is what I come to HN for. A true hack in the classic sense of the term. An absurd attempt to do something with technology that its designers had absolutely no intention of supporting, and learning quite a bit about it in the process. Bravo!
This is also why I embrace Open Source! If Doom was closed source, none of this would happen.
> the game was running at 34.5 fps
It can run Doom at 35 fps, but can't stream a good bluetooth signal to headphones more than 5 m away smh.
It can run Doom at 35 fps, but can't stream a good bluetooth signal to headphones more than 5 m away smh.
Bluetooth devices are in such a sad state :^(
Have you tried a Bluetooth 5 LE headphone? It's a completely different radio and protocol from previous generation Bluetooth headphones. I don't know if there are any in the market yet. There certainly isn't any based on nRF5340 yet.
I don't know if the range will be better, but latency and pairing process should be much better.
I don't know if the range will be better, but latency and pairing process should be much better.
You're right, because the nRF52 series are Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) devices, they can't stream music at all :-) Music streaming is done via Bluetooth Classic (as of now). BLE != Bluetooth Classic
That's not true. BLE can stream music now, it's in the Bluetooth 5 standard. The nRF52 isn't great for it, there's nRF53 for that, but it's possible
https://www.nordicsemi.com/News/2020/01/Nordic-launches-a-Bl...
https://www.nordicsemi.com/News/2020/01/Nordic-launches-a-Bl...
I was under the assumption that BLE chips have regular BL support as well as a fallback for when you actually want to use the thing for something productive. Is that not the case or are most phone manufacturers just lying while putting two chips on devices?
Like if a chip supports Bluetooth 5.1 that should include both, no?
Like if a chip supports Bluetooth 5.1 that should include both, no?
>but can't stream a good bluetooth signal to headphones more than 5 m away smh.
So many factors, right I can't pull out the Bluetooth specs.
So many factors, right I can't pull out the Bluetooth specs.
It's sort of insane how ubiquitous outright computers are now. Like, I didn't know that USB dongles were full-on computers, but it doesn't surprise me either...Computers have gotten so cheap and small to a borderline-disposable level.
Kind of cool that I get to be a part of first generation experience that.
Kind of cool that I get to be a part of first generation experience that.
To make your life easier, just get the official nRF52840 Dongle - it's only 10€ but has all GPIOs conveniently exposed. No need to repurpose the LED or the user button for a GPIO.
https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/Development-hardware/nrf...
https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/Development-hardware/nrf...
I mean, to make your life easier just play Doom on your computer. But I don't think that was the point of this project.
These are the same guys of the doom port to the ikea lamp (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27498789).