Former Employees Allege Tesla Faked Original Full Self-Driving Video(motortrend.com)
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Former Employees Allege Tesla Faked Original Full Self-Driving Video
https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-full-self-driving-video-allegedly-faked/
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There’s a difference between marketing material and fraudulent claims made to investors.
You won’t get far claiming that your perpetual motion machine was just “filmed under ideal conditions” aka, hiding the magnet or air blower providing the energy to fight dissipation.
You won’t get far claiming that your perpetual motion machine was just “filmed under ideal conditions” aka, hiding the magnet or air blower providing the energy to fight dissipation.
> I even watched a documentary on how McDonalds takes the perfect hamburger pictures and how they doctor it.
What’s interesting is that McDonalds mandates that they use the exact restaurant ingredients for the photo shoot without substitutions. But the way they prepare it is of course quite different and done with way more care.
Here is a video from McDonalds Canada about the process [1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSd0keSj2W8
What’s interesting is that McDonalds mandates that they use the exact restaurant ingredients for the photo shoot without substitutions. But the way they prepare it is of course quite different and done with way more care.
Here is a video from McDonalds Canada about the process [1]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSd0keSj2W8
False advertising is a huge issue and using the exact ingredients helps mitigate lawsuits from those claims.
"Red bull gives you wings" is not literal, but the statement implies Red Bull should be more potent than other traditional sources of caffeine (like coffee). That it wasn't the case led to a lawsuit [1], which Red Bull ultimately settled.
"Red bull gives you wings" is not literal, but the statement implies Red Bull should be more potent than other traditional sources of caffeine (like coffee). That it wasn't the case led to a lawsuit [1], which Red Bull ultimately settled.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-29550003It would seem that Tesla has already predicted that there will be whistle-blowers, and even have gone as far as to manufacture their own "cyberwhistle" [1].
[1] https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberwhistle
[1] https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberwhistle
When I originally saw this video in 2016, I assumed it was filmed under ideal "happy path" conditions. It is standard practice when demo-ing new technology that isn't quite ready for primetime. I bet Siri and Alexa were demoed using pretested phrases and a speaker with a neutral accent in a quiet studio, not in a crowded bar with the cast of Jersey Shore talking.
Agreed. The only claim in the video is that "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything." There's no claim that this is currently shipping hardware or software or that it will work on any other road.
The language MotorTrend uses in reporting the allegations is pretty inflammatory and, I'd say, misleading. They have some cover in that they're only reporting what others have said, so "faked the original video" may be within bounds but "doctored" and "video tampering" is a very strong claim that doesn't seem to be supported.
The language MotorTrend uses in reporting the allegations is pretty inflammatory and, I'd say, misleading. They have some cover in that they're only reporting what others have said, so "faked the original video" may be within bounds but "doctored" and "video tampering" is a very strong claim that doesn't seem to be supported.
There is a big difference between filming under ideal conditions with the same software customers get, and fraud by using a completely different software than customers get (which is what Tesla did).
Well the article says we are not sure what Tesla did, and it is quite common to have a prototype with hardware and software much different from what actually ships to customers.
> Siri and Alexa were demoed using pretested phrases and a speaker with a neutral accent in a quiet studio
it's not just "happy path" - for the longest time, Siri could not even understand the samples extracted from it's own advertisement - it was straight up fabricate - https://onefoottsunami.com/2012/05/23/over-promise-and-under...
it's not just "happy path" - for the longest time, Siri could not even understand the samples extracted from it's own advertisement - it was straight up fabricate - https://onefoottsunami.com/2012/05/23/over-promise-and-under...
Everyone knows that FSD (Fools Self Driving) was already deceptively advertised and proven to be dangerous to use and puts the lives of drivers on the road at risk and now we have this.
Even worse than the Nikola Motors fraud since this in particular is supposed to be a safety-critical system and involves loss of life. No surprise that the regulators are going to be circling and investigating this if the allegations are true.
What happened to the robot-taxi service scheduled for 2020? Was it that they were so behind on that release date that they ended up falsely advertising FSD with no drivers behind the wheel to show buyers that it was 'working'?
I wonder who fell for that trick.
Even worse than the Nikola Motors fraud since this in particular is supposed to be a safety-critical system and involves loss of life. No surprise that the regulators are going to be circling and investigating this if the allegations are true.
What happened to the robot-taxi service scheduled for 2020? Was it that they were so behind on that release date that they ended up falsely advertising FSD with no drivers behind the wheel to show buyers that it was 'working'?
I wonder who fell for that trick.
> FSD (Fools Self Driving)
Grade-school style nicknaming is the lowest form of rhetoric. It does not support your argument. It makes you sound like an idiot.
Grade-school style nicknaming is the lowest form of rhetoric. It does not support your argument. It makes you sound like an idiot.
Did this quote annoy / offend you because it is true? That’s really the funny thing about it.
It is a pretty accurate description to what is the true reality behind this FSD system which was deceptively advertised in name and video (allegedly) to the point of which it is already under investigation by the regulators.
Then again, the truth hurts. It’s especially very effective when one can’t take a joke.
It is a pretty accurate description to what is the true reality behind this FSD system which was deceptively advertised in name and video (allegedly) to the point of which it is already under investigation by the regulators.
Then again, the truth hurts. It’s especially very effective when one can’t take a joke.
I like the way you replied to the commenter than the joke itself.
> Did this quote annoy / offend you because it is true?
No, it annoys me because this is how Trump speaks.
No, it annoys me because this is how Trump speaks.
Right. It annoys you because 'Trump'. Not sure what that has to do with the contents of my comment, but um, okay?
At the end of the day, the comment I made is accurate and it still has not been refuted.
At the end of the day, the comment I made is accurate and it still has not been refuted.
I thought it was funny.
I think anyone who has survived as a taxi driver in Manhattan will tell you robotaxis are patently impossible in many zones
Many/most car ads are fully CGI, this agency even built a rig that can shot a commercial for any type of car.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/digital-transformer-the-m...
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/digital-transformer-the-m...
I realised this when I traveled from South America to Europe and saw the exact same car commercial featuring a completely different car.
Many/most car ads are fully CGI
Definitely false.
Most car commercials for American cars are shot in Los Angeles on weekends. The cars are driven around on city streets like a normal car, with the camera(s) on a rig on a separate vehicle.
Definitely false.
Most car commercials for American cars are shot in Los Angeles on weekends. The cars are driven around on city streets like a normal car, with the camera(s) on a rig on a separate vehicle.
Corporate news or corporate PR:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/09/30/why-is-cnn-doin...
Example of a fluff piece by stenographer CNN:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/10/world/expo-2020-dubai-par...