NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone and TV(theconversation.com)
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NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone and TV
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NOAA is a crown jewel of the American experiment. Agencies like this don't exist to turn a profit — they are there to serve the public interest.
NOAA is fantastic, I was alpine climbing in the very bottom of south america near El Chalten and NOAA is pretty much the only place to get a reliable forecast down there. Fantastic service.
I'm extremely skeptical of the entire premise of DOGE. There are vast changes being made to very large organizations, in very short timespans, with the claim that those making them know what they're doing. But the timespans in question - days to weeks at most - mean that there's no time to review anything. So those making changes do not, cannot, be making decisions based on reviews of available evidence, because they haven't given themselves time to review the evidence. Which in turn means that when they claim they do, they're either delusional or lying.
Chesterton's Fence [1] would also seem to apply here, but I mostly think it's not even getting that far. DOGE isn't doing an audit (if it was, there would be auditors, not talented young programmers) and then taking action. DOGE is executing already planned actions, while pretending to be an audit, and helping itself to a great deal of access and data along the way.
1. https://theknowledge.io/chestertons-fence-explained/
Chesterton's Fence [1] would also seem to apply here, but I mostly think it's not even getting that far. DOGE isn't doing an audit (if it was, there would be auditors, not talented young programmers) and then taking action. DOGE is executing already planned actions, while pretending to be an audit, and helping itself to a great deal of access and data along the way.
1. https://theknowledge.io/chestertons-fence-explained/
The plan seems to be to (1) "RAGE: Retire All Government Employees (...), take over the United States government and gut the federal bureaucracy. Then, replace civil servants with political loyalists"
So in essence, they think these short term problems can be reversed once the pawns are replaced.
(1) https://www.thenerdreich.com/reboot-elon-musk-ceo-dictator-d...
So in essence, they think these short term problems can be reversed once the pawns are replaced.
(1) https://www.thenerdreich.com/reboot-elon-musk-ceo-dictator-d...
I'm not sure they care about the problems solved. The model is probably closer to what happened to Russia after the Soviet Union collapsed.
It should be noted… it’s illegal to do that.
The vice president is out here saying that judges shouldn't be able to stop the president from doing something.
DOGE seems to be treating this like a culling in a private company but you can't do that. It's completely normal for private businesses to fail but we rely on the government as a safety net (e.g. social security, FDIC, etc..) so failure there is catastrophic.
> we rely on the government as a safety net
This is the issue though. They think the safety net is the problem.
This is the issue though. They think the safety net is the problem.
Their ideology is that safety nets let useless people take up too many resources.
You should be skeptical, because Musk and the Musk Youth are precipitating 1-3 constitutional crises daily. And then they ignore federal judges who tell them to stop their coup.
What we're seeing here is the dismantling of necessary and useful government functions by people who have no idea about the consequences of what they're doing.
I can't wait for them to come for GPS (run by DoD). All these people want to do is replace these government functions with a worse and more expensive private alternative but hey, someone gets to rent-seek massive profits, so that's OK. It's also a lesson in how for many things, them being run by a government entity is the best alternative.
If you want to see actual waste, how about a current sitting Senator and former Florida governor who, at the time, run a company that got the largest fine in history for defrauding Medicare to the tune of $1.7 billion [1], something for which nobody faced criminal prosecution.
[1]: https://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/floridas-medicare-fraud-fl...
I can't wait for them to come for GPS (run by DoD). All these people want to do is replace these government functions with a worse and more expensive private alternative but hey, someone gets to rent-seek massive profits, so that's OK. It's also a lesson in how for many things, them being run by a government entity is the best alternative.
If you want to see actual waste, how about a current sitting Senator and former Florida governor who, at the time, run a company that got the largest fine in history for defrauding Medicare to the tune of $1.7 billion [1], something for which nobody faced criminal prosecution.
[1]: https://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/floridas-medicare-fraud-fl...
I’d be ok with looking to streamline NOAA, double check budgets etc, but just disbanding it no.
I need to trim my fingernails but I am not going to let a crazed axe murderer in my house to do so
Nothing about NOAA makes a dent in the federal deficit. You're thinking of entitlements (which are appropriated by Congress, a co-equal branch of government that makes laws (lest you forgot)), and defense spending.
I’m aware of the size of NOAA, it’s still tax dollars. If they were spending $10k that could be $8k it’s still tax dollars. That would apply to any federal agency.
It's will never be disbanded. The nation will always need an in-house weather service for the military advantage that provides.
It's also a critical part of the national air transport system -- nothing flies without a METAR -- not to mention maritime, agriculture, commerce, etc.
Some things are just reliable, public infrastructure like roads or electricity that society finances one way or another. Anyone aiming to damage public infrastructure is trying to end the country.
Some things are just reliable, public infrastructure like roads or electricity that society finances one way or another. Anyone aiming to damage public infrastructure is trying to end the country.
I don't think this administration even cares about America's military advantage. If they did, they wouldn't have started the term by casually insulting the sovereignty of two NATO allies.
This administration is a large group of people stripping the copper wire from our walls and stealing our catalytic converters, and they are able to do this because they won by appealing to all our worst impulses.
Democracy is the idea that the voters know what they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard - H. L. Mencken
Democracy is the idea that the voters know what they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard - H. L. Mencken
It’s a pretty perilous (and condescending) habit to believe that when voters side with you they’re exercising common sense and when they don’t they were tricked. It’s indicative of a lack of insight into other groups in society.
> when they don’t they were tricked.
I'm not saying they were tricked at all. They were promised an administration that would strip the country down to the studs and be hateful and vicious to the most vulnerable people in society, and that's what we're getting.
We'll see if they go full Yarvin and completely delete the Constitution, nobody voted for that.
I'm not saying they were tricked at all. They were promised an administration that would strip the country down to the studs and be hateful and vicious to the most vulnerable people in society, and that's what we're getting.
We'll see if they go full Yarvin and completely delete the Constitution, nobody voted for that.
The US' military advantage has nothing to do with NATO. Lets make that clear right now. NATO would be just a four letter acronym without the US military.
Never is a strong word to toss around with the current administration.
There's been a big push to make NOAA go away so that private companies like AccuWeather be the one everyone turns to for their data. AccuWeather has been pushing for this for a long time--even before Trump's first term. We'll see how big their donations are perceived by how gutted NOAA becomes. As for military, the Air Force has it's own weather teams as well. I'd assume others do as well.
NOAA is ripe for President Musk's axe if Uncle Trump says so
There's been a big push to make NOAA go away so that private companies like AccuWeather be the one everyone turns to for their data. AccuWeather has been pushing for this for a long time--even before Trump's first term. We'll see how big their donations are perceived by how gutted NOAA becomes. As for military, the Air Force has it's own weather teams as well. I'd assume others do as well.
NOAA is ripe for President Musk's axe if Uncle Trump says so
Yep, AccuWeather would love to get all of the NWS / NOAA assets and charge everyone to get a forecast.
Thank goodness that the UK and Canadian weather services have great forecasting capabilities, the public can turn to them for our weather needs.
Thank goodness that the UK and Canadian weather services have great forecasting capabilities, the public can turn to them for our weather needs.
Thank you for your service, President 3939382! It’s an honor to serve in your benevolent administration.
Your country thanks you.
You can double the NOAA budget and still not make any difference.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...
Or you could halve it and cost society tens of billions in second order effects.
When people talk abouth NOAA, they're usually referring to the sub-agency National Weather Service (NWS).
As someone who has had experience at NOAA, I'd like to point out that the way they manage information security seems really wasteful. All of the tools they need are present in the environment, but there has not been sufficient political will for the various sub-agencies to work together and integrate them holistically. The net effect is duplication of half-baked cyber security functions across NOAA. The line items are purchased but the sub-agencies lack the man-power to effectively implement what's possible because government processes are too much overhead. It doesn't help that their FISMA-reportable "systems" are their sub-agencies and not actual systems. The 'mangerial class' that Republicans have rallied against during the 2024 election is sucking the lifeblood out of NOAA's IT operations.
As someone who has had experience at NOAA, I'd like to point out that the way they manage information security seems really wasteful. All of the tools they need are present in the environment, but there has not been sufficient political will for the various sub-agencies to work together and integrate them holistically. The net effect is duplication of half-baked cyber security functions across NOAA. The line items are purchased but the sub-agencies lack the man-power to effectively implement what's possible because government processes are too much overhead. It doesn't help that their FISMA-reportable "systems" are their sub-agencies and not actual systems. The 'mangerial class' that Republicans have rallied against during the 2024 election is sucking the lifeblood out of NOAA's IT operations.
This was all published ahead of time, and any one voting to Trump "should" have been aware this is was the plan:
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
Do you have any other sources? Project 2025 is neither authored nor endorsed by Trump. It was a Heritage Foundation conservative romper room where no idea was a bad idea, its members contributing for pats on the head, which is why it's 900 pages long.
It's Wikipedia 'Talk' page is more interesting reading than the article itself.
It's Wikipedia 'Talk' page is more interesting reading than the article itself.
> […] nor endorsed by Trump. […]
The non-endorsement by Trump was a lie:
> He has also played a significant role in Project 2025, an initiative led by the Heritage Foundation that aims to advance conservative, right-wing policies and reshape the federal government.[3] […] In May 2024, Russell Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee.[83] The Center for Renewing America (CRA), founded by Vought, is on Project 2025's advisory board.[84] CRA drafted executive orders, regulations, and memos that could have laid the groundwork for rapid action on Trump's plans when he won.[85] The CRA identified Christian Nationalism as one of the top priorities for the second Trump term.[15] Vought claimed that Trump blessed the CRA, and that his effort to distance himself from Project 2025 was just politics.[85]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
Vought has been labelled as the 'architect' of Project 2025, and has been appointed as the director of the OMB.
"Senate confirms Project 2025 co-author as Trump budget chief"
* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clykpgxm4n7o
The non-endorsement by Trump was a lie:
> He has also played a significant role in Project 2025, an initiative led by the Heritage Foundation that aims to advance conservative, right-wing policies and reshape the federal government.[3] […] In May 2024, Russell Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee.[83] The Center for Renewing America (CRA), founded by Vought, is on Project 2025's advisory board.[84] CRA drafted executive orders, regulations, and memos that could have laid the groundwork for rapid action on Trump's plans when he won.[85] The CRA identified Christian Nationalism as one of the top priorities for the second Trump term.[15] Vought claimed that Trump blessed the CRA, and that his effort to distance himself from Project 2025 was just politics.[85]
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
Vought has been labelled as the 'architect' of Project 2025, and has been appointed as the director of the OMB.
"Senate confirms Project 2025 co-author as Trump budget chief"
* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clykpgxm4n7o
You really need look no further than P2025's recommendations on 'abortion' and Trump's actual track record 2016-2020 and his moderate stated positions on it, to suspect that the Romper Room is in no way being considered a roadmap. That's a big one and many Onward Christian Soldiers have been angered by it. Too bad for them, women rule! Reducing the size of the Fed and reducing its partisan component is a natural for any incoming President. He also aims to reduce the partisan lawfare component that has been used against him, instead of leaving it in place to do its thing again. Those under the Executive branch should not operate under the assumption that they are occupying forever-jobs.
But if you're being all insinuatey there's no rules, go for it! Welcome to the world of 'played a significant role in', 'could have laid the groundwork for', 'involved with' and 'claimed that', 'been labelled as'. Those are pieces of insinuate-string used to connect real things on looneyboards such as my favorite one in "A Beautiful Mind" that became a movie trope. Even Project 2025 Wikipedia is rational enough to say "Not to be confused with Donald Trump's package of proposals, Agenda 47."
But if you're being all insinuatey there's no rules, go for it! Welcome to the world of 'played a significant role in', 'could have laid the groundwork for', 'involved with' and 'claimed that', 'been labelled as'. Those are pieces of insinuate-string used to connect real things on looneyboards such as my favorite one in "A Beautiful Mind" that became a movie trope. Even Project 2025 Wikipedia is rational enough to say "Not to be confused with Donald Trump's package of proposals, Agenda 47."
> Too bad for them, women rule!
Except rule over their own body, right? Because you seem to have forgotten who packed the SC to undo Roe v. Wade it seems.
Except rule over their own body, right? Because you seem to have forgotten who packed the SC to undo Roe v. Wade it seems.
Cui bono?
One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth: Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science, now we lack a source of truth on weather. More generally, the idea of an apoltical, non-profit source of truth is actively denied and any example is destroyed. The CIA and FBI are other examples.
Without a source of truth, how can any public agreement or action form? All information becomes social media. Notice who controls that too: Meta, X, and also Bytedance will be beholden to the same people destroying all else.
One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth: Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science, now we lack a source of truth on weather. More generally, the idea of an apoltical, non-profit source of truth is actively denied and any example is destroyed. The CIA and FBI are other examples.
Without a source of truth, how can any public agreement or action form? All information becomes social media. Notice who controls that too: Meta, X, and also Bytedance will be beholden to the same people destroying all else.
> Cui bono?
Barry Myers of AccuWeather for one: they charge for their services. See "The Plan to Privatize Weather Forecasts":
* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-pro...
* http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archiv...
* https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/...
John Oliver did a story about this in 2019 (Trump 1.0):
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_...
If NOAA discontinues free weather forecasts, everyone (news, websites, apps) will have to pay someone to get them.
Barry Myers of AccuWeather for one: they charge for their services. See "The Plan to Privatize Weather Forecasts":
* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-pro...
* http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archiv...
* https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/...
John Oliver did a story about this in 2019 (Trump 1.0):
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_...
If NOAA discontinues free weather forecasts, everyone (news, websites, apps) will have to pay someone to get them.
Honestly, I will never pay for a weather service. If I have to keep an umbrella in my bag, so be it. If it means an unexpected snow day, oh well.
Other services that depend upon weather will pass those fees down to me anyway, no reason to pay for it twice.
Other services that depend upon weather will pass those fees down to me anyway, no reason to pay for it twice.
Um. Are you sure you don't want to know about forecasted natural disasters? This seems rather shortsighted.
Notices about natural disaster should not be pay walled, full stop
Medical care should not be pay walled, full stop.
Oops. Looks like precedence has been set.
Oops. Looks like precedence has been set.
The fact that something is done a certain way currently has no bearing on whether it should be done that way.
Healthcare is a curious example to choose, too, since US healthcare is probably one of the worst examples of corruption, waste, and inefficiency of any industry I can think of.
Healthcare is a curious example to choose, too, since US healthcare is probably one of the worst examples of corruption, waste, and inefficiency of any industry I can think of.
What will stop them?
Hopefully the courts, which have been found so some so far
Congress should also be weighing in, but...
Congress should also be weighing in, but...
The VP has already stated that they'll disregard court rulings. So yeah, courts are going to be useless.
SCOTUS has already said POTUS is immune. Anyone else not covered by that immunity would be potentially pardoned. After they are pardoned, they are free to go back to doing exactly what they were doing before. They become untouchable.
SCOTUS really screwed the public with that immunity ruling
SCOTUS really screwed the public with that immunity ruling
> Congress should also be weighing in, but...
(One-half of) Congress couldn't be bothered to weight in when there was an attempted insurrection / self-coup:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T...
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
(One-half of) Congress couldn't be bothered to weight in when there was an attempted insurrection / self-coup:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T...
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
I'm sure I'll hear about it.
I see nothing wrong with private entities having to pay for weather forecasts instead of leeching off the taxpayers.
Why would you not extend that idea to paying for gps access directly?
Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. For somewhat self evident reasons.
Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. For somewhat self evident reasons.
> Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can.
But not for the business who sell weather services. How can we maximize shareholder value and grow GDP if we don't financialize every possible things? /s
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
But not for the business who sell weather services. How can we maximize shareholder value and grow GDP if we don't financialize every possible things? /s
> The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories.
* https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...
A model where a business that makes money off of the public data, after a certain time or amount of money a fee schedule kicks in where they pay back into the system seems like it would make sense.
One could call that a 'tax', and to keep the process streamlined, instead of itemizing the benefits that corporations get from government services, one could simply charge a percentage of profits.
That seems reasonable but I was imagining a system that allowed a window of time to bolster innovation. Maybe that's silly.
Private entities pay taxes too.
Yep. NOAA is the source of all the weather data that all of your weather apps and TV stations use.
I remember seeing "weather.gov" on one of the monitors of a local tv news station. (they had kind of an open newsroom).
Weather.gov is a antidote from the add sponsored mess that weather websites are. Of course I suspect most people use phone apps now. But they have a lot of information on those pages, including weather discussions.
I follow this because my startup had to normalize for weather so we needed weather information. We went to "weatherunderground" (a play on a 60s era group perhaps?) and paid some money to get that weather data. They got bought by weathercompany/IBM. I had a developer account and could pull hourly weather information (I had grand plans to compare predictions vs actual) that got axed
weather.gov was always there. They don't have an api, but I love their weather graph which lets you look at a bunch of weather over the next couple days (and includes sunset and sunrise). Its very fast to read after a few days.
eg https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=42.3774&lon=-7...
Forecast discussion: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=b...
Weather.gov is a antidote from the add sponsored mess that weather websites are. Of course I suspect most people use phone apps now. But they have a lot of information on those pages, including weather discussions.
I follow this because my startup had to normalize for weather so we needed weather information. We went to "weatherunderground" (a play on a 60s era group perhaps?) and paid some money to get that weather data. They got bought by weathercompany/IBM. I had a developer account and could pull hourly weather information (I had grand plans to compare predictions vs actual) that got axed
weather.gov was always there. They don't have an api, but I love their weather graph which lets you look at a bunch of weather over the next couple days (and includes sunset and sunrise). Its very fast to read after a few days.
eg https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=42.3774&lon=-7...
Forecast discussion: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=b...
It looks like there is an API for weather.gov now: https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api
I really appreciate how the NWS products make it easy to create custom widgets that you can embed in a webpage.
I really appreciate how the NWS products make it easy to create custom widgets that you can embed in a webpage.
weather.gov is so good! Between weather.gov and noaa.gov there is an absolutely incredible amount of information available.
I'm a big fan the GOES viewer: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/conus.php?sat=G16
I'm a big fan the GOES viewer: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/goes/conus.php?sat=G16
I love weather.gov and use it daily- even on my phone.
Which is why NOAA needs to be left alone. But Trump and maybe the GOP wants to privatize NOAA, which would be a disaster for the US.
Already tried once 7 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers
Rick Santorum tried doing this repeatedly starting in 2005. It was one of personal crusades in the Senate.
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/01/7-year-old-attack-on-...
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/01/7-year-old-attack-on-...
We don't seem to have any lesson-learning folks in play.
>In 2018, an investigation by the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs found rampant, pervasive and severe sexual harassment at AccuWeather
Depends upon the lesson, when it comes to harassment, the GOP learned and found ways to get the public to accept this.
Seems the only reason it failed was it seems Myers was found to be a sexual predator. These days, that seems to be a requirement to be the head of an agency.
Depends upon the lesson, when it comes to harassment, the GOP learned and found ways to get the public to accept this.
Seems the only reason it failed was it seems Myers was found to be a sexual predator. These days, that seems to be a requirement to be the head of an agency.
The lesson seems to be that those who can keep attacking democracy again and again and again will eventually some day succeed in tearing things down.
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This feels like a strawman, I haven't seen any proposal to eliminate or privatize NOAA. Just checking it looks like the un-avowed Project 2025 suggested commercializing the data which seems smart to me. Why let all these billion dollar weather channels, media companies, and apps ride on NOAA's free data? Non-commercial use of the data could still remain free.
Well, there this:
https://www.fastcompany.com/91274927/trump-wants-to-dismantl...
I'm sure Elon will provide AI-generated weather reports. Someday. Might be from Mars, but we won't have to deal with the smallest uniformed service.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91274927/trump-wants-to-dismantl...
I'm sure Elon will provide AI-generated weather reports. Someday. Might be from Mars, but we won't have to deal with the smallest uniformed service.
Fast Company, quoting Project 2025, really.
Anyhoo, PBS said of the un-avowed Project 2025...
>Project 2025 would not outright end the National Weather Service. It says the agency “should focus on its data-gathering services,” and “should fully commercialize its forecasting operations.”
Anyhoo, PBS said of the un-avowed Project 2025...
>Project 2025 would not outright end the National Weather Service. It says the agency “should focus on its data-gathering services,” and “should fully commercialize its forecasting operations.”
Why should a government agency "fully commercialize its forecasting operations"?
Several countries have commercialized their weather data to varying degrees. Here are a few examples:
United Kingdom: The UK Met Office has a commercial arm that sells weather data and services to businesses. They provide tailored forecasts, climate data, and other meteorological services to various sectors, including agriculture, energy, and transportation.
Germany: The German Weather Service (DWD) offers commercial services alongside its public offerings. They provide specialized weather data and forecasts to businesses, particularly in industries that are heavily impacted by weather conditions.
Australia: The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) in Australia has a commercial division that sells weather data and services to private companies. This includes tailored forecasts and access to specialized datasets for industries such as agriculture, mining, and aviation.
Canada: Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) provides some commercial services, allowing businesses to access detailed weather data and forecasts for a fee. This is particularly useful for sectors that require precise weather information for operational planning.
Japan: The Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) provides some data for free but also has commercial agreements with private companies that utilize their data for various applications, including weather forecasting and disaster management.
European Union: The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) offers commercial access to its data and forecasting services, allowing businesses to utilize high-quality meteorological information for decision-making.All these examples are for auxillary services, all of those you mention provide the forecasts and data used to create it for free. Don't trust AI for good answers. The only one on your list that limits the provided RAW data is ECMWF, but the raw data that is open contains all the significant elements of weather.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/services/data/external-data-cha...
https://www.dwd.de/EN/ourservices/_functions/search/search_F...
http://www.bom.gov.au/nwp/doc/access/NWPData.shtml
https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-data/readme_en/
https://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/Activities/nwp.html
https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/datasets/open-data
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/services/data/external-data-cha...
https://www.dwd.de/EN/ourservices/_functions/search/search_F...
http://www.bom.gov.au/nwp/doc/access/NWPData.shtml
https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-data/readme_en/
https://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/Activities/nwp.html
https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/datasets/open-data
Great, never said other countries limit the data and ONLY sell it, but NOAA essentially does not commercialize anything (its so insignificant it doesn't show up on its budget). Maybe auxiliary services is a good start.
It's worth noting that many of these are service agreements, not just data. It's tailored/specialized forecasts that are being built for the customer, not simply selling them the data they give to the public for free. So doing additional work for a fee, not monetizing existing data.
Because some morons think everything needs to be a business. We can't possibly be spending money on something unless it is generating money back, ignoring the fact that it is providing a service to make our lives better.
Interestingly, nobody seems to be concerned that the military ($841.4B budget) doesn't generate revenue and isn't run like a business. But everything else in the government should pay for itself?
Are these the same people who think that if you cut funding for HUD and other agencies concerned with helping the poor, the poor with just magically find jobs, join churches, and pay their own way like "proper humans"?
If they keep up Project 2025, I predict in about 10 years, they are going to get a very rude awakening, if not sooner.
If they keep up Project 2025, I predict in about 10 years, they are going to get a very rude awakening, if not sooner.
>If they keep up Project 2025, I predict in about 10 years, they are going to get a very rude awakening, if not sooner.
You are optimistic. The supporters of Trump and his ilk ignore consistency as a rule. The exact same thing they insisted trump will never do so it's okay for him to be in power, they will then insist that actually no it's a good thing trump is doing that.
They opt in to a media environment wholly held by Rupert Murdoch, Elon, and Trump. They reject any reporting from other groups on principle. They keep saying "I haven't seen any <blank>" for any of the awful ideas this admin has because they literally don't see anything Fox News and friends haven't shown them. They get marching orders, not information.
Christ, it was only a few years ago that they insisted that Roe V Wade was "settled law" and totally safe and nobody wants to ban abortion and within a month of the lawsuit being brought, the entire narrative had switched to full bore "umm actually it's really bad ruling so we should get rid of it even though we make no effort to protect abortion rights also abortion is bad"
The true believers in Germany took until the red army was in berlin before they really fucking got that the Nazis had filled them with lies, were utterly incompetent, and had thrown millions of their best boys to die for a conspiracy theory. I hope it's also clear from things going on in germany right now, plenty of true believers didn't even figure it out then!
If trump continues Project 2025, you WILL be hearing how women are actually too hormonal and emotional to manage money and shouldn't be allowed to have credit cards. You WILL be hearing about how single mothers shouldn't be allowed to raise kids and so we should end no fault divorce.
You are optimistic. The supporters of Trump and his ilk ignore consistency as a rule. The exact same thing they insisted trump will never do so it's okay for him to be in power, they will then insist that actually no it's a good thing trump is doing that.
They opt in to a media environment wholly held by Rupert Murdoch, Elon, and Trump. They reject any reporting from other groups on principle. They keep saying "I haven't seen any <blank>" for any of the awful ideas this admin has because they literally don't see anything Fox News and friends haven't shown them. They get marching orders, not information.
Christ, it was only a few years ago that they insisted that Roe V Wade was "settled law" and totally safe and nobody wants to ban abortion and within a month of the lawsuit being brought, the entire narrative had switched to full bore "umm actually it's really bad ruling so we should get rid of it even though we make no effort to protect abortion rights also abortion is bad"
The true believers in Germany took until the red army was in berlin before they really fucking got that the Nazis had filled them with lies, were utterly incompetent, and had thrown millions of their best boys to die for a conspiracy theory. I hope it's also clear from things going on in germany right now, plenty of true believers didn't even figure it out then!
If trump continues Project 2025, you WILL be hearing how women are actually too hormonal and emotional to manage money and shouldn't be allowed to have credit cards. You WILL be hearing about how single mothers shouldn't be allowed to raise kids and so we should end no fault divorce.
How does the appointment of Bondi (AG) and Gabbard (DNI) fit into this evil plan? Are some women more womany than others? RvW was never 'settled law', it was a court decision and the Supreme Court said after 50 years, "enough is enough." Supermajorities of both parties neglected to codify it any which particular way or the other as a result of cowardice. It was our electeds that failed us, not the court. As the 50th year anniversary approached, you'd expect something to happen. I say this to everyone whether they are claiming victory or defeat. I didn't want it to revert back to the states, but generations of Congress evidently did.
Long term climate is not weather forecasting. Our 7-days are getting pretty good, though they run a bit warm (watch the high peaks on the temp forecast sink a little on successive days as they approach tomorrow.) Some of NOAA's long climate forecasts are actually a danger to NatSec because they misrepresent the likelihood and impact of severe Winter events. Go ahead, read between the lines of what I am saying.
Long term climate is not weather forecasting. Our 7-days are getting pretty good, though they run a bit warm (watch the high peaks on the temp forecast sink a little on successive days as they approach tomorrow.) Some of NOAA's long climate forecasts are actually a danger to NatSec because they misrepresent the likelihood and impact of severe Winter events. Go ahead, read between the lines of what I am saying.
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