Nissan eyes shifting Rogue production to U.S. due to tariffs(asia.nikkei.com)
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Nissan eyes shifting Rogue production to U.S. due to tariffs
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/Nissan-eyes-shifting-Rogue-production-to-U.S.-due-to-Trump-tariffs
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Sounds risky : what happens if you do all the work to shift production to USA, and then Donald revokes tariffs?
According to many economists, this is a major reason why the tariffs won’t work.
There are American made cars already
Wouldn’t they just keep making them in the US ?
Wouldn’t they just keep making them in the US ?
When everything is produced on US soil, what stops the US from proclaiming that "What stands on US soil is owned by the US" and all the investments foreigners did were for nothing?
Same thing that stops other countries from doing this. It would create a (multi) generational block against all foreign investment and devastating sanctions.
Cuba did this as part of the revolution. The nationalization of American owned businesses was a major contributor to later hostilities. We don't have an embargo on Russia, yet we still maintain the trade embargo on Cuba.
Cuba did this as part of the revolution. The nationalization of American owned businesses was a major contributor to later hostilities. We don't have an embargo on Russia, yet we still maintain the trade embargo on Cuba.
Russia actually did do that recently though right? "What stands on Russian soil is owned by Russia"
And the US still trades with them, and seems to really want a closer relationship.
What type of investments would a USA that produces everything themselves need?
What type of sanctions would it fear?
What type of sanctions would it fear?
In the same range of the probability of it happening anywhere else, but (if you’re honest with yourself) a bit lower. Seizure of property and/or nationalization of whole industries is not a novel concept.
Like what China does? ARM is well known example.
Nothing. Build elsewhere and accept the loss of the market as a risk reduction premium.
Remember what happened to ARM?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28329731
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28329731
Wild read, thanks for sharing.
I have no idea why you’ve been downvoted.
Downvotes are now a measure of emotion more than anything else. Validity isn’t a consideration.
Downvotes are now a measure of emotion more than anything else. Validity isn’t a consideration.
Maybe the US Constitution?
Serious and genuine question, how? It seems that some of the layoffs in the administration might be illegal, however they still happened and there are no legal consequences yet. High ranked officials discussing national security matters on non approved platforms *is* illegal, yet nothing happened and I bet nothing will happen at all. Given this background, how will the Constitution prevent such a case?
> might be illegal
I don't know why they might be illegal. Legal and illegal things are on a spectrum. Some things are illegal in a fairly convoluted way, so convoluted that various judges can reach different conclusions. But some things are quite black and white and confiscation of private property is one of those. The 14th Amendment is quite clear on that.
I don't know why they might be illegal. Legal and illegal things are on a spectrum. Some things are illegal in a fairly convoluted way, so convoluted that various judges can reach different conclusions. But some things are quite black and white and confiscation of private property is one of those. The 14th Amendment is quite clear on that.
The constitution is meaningless to the current admin, except where they can use it to their advantage.
The current admin has made no secret that they don't believe in democracy and want to have a strong man king rule instead. This is well-documented.
The current admin has made no secret that they don't believe in democracy and want to have a strong man king rule instead. This is well-documented.
United States is a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy according to the US constitution.
$ grep -i democra us_constitution.txt
$ grep -i republic us_constitution.txt
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.> > The current admin has made no secret that they don't believe in democracy and want to have a strong man king rule instead.
> United States is a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy according to the US constitution.
Your statement is not a refutation of what you replied to.
> United States is a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy according to the US constitution.
Your statement is not a refutation of what you replied to.
So once you get past 8th grade civics you realize that a republic falls under the umbrella term 'democracy'.
Does overturning elections and banning candidates and/or parties also fall under the umbrella term “democracy “?
I understand you're offering this as a gotcha but I'm not sure what you're referring to and it's unclear from context.
In any event, both of those things are typically undemocratic which is why they are rare in functioning democracies and common in autocracies. No system is invulnerable to attack so in certain circumstances they aren't undemocratic. Excluding candidates for, say, a criminal record, mental incapacity, or foreign obligations is less democratic but no reasonable person would claim it voids the will of the people.
In any event, both of those things are typically undemocratic which is why they are rare in functioning democracies and common in autocracies. No system is invulnerable to attack so in certain circumstances they aren't undemocratic. Excluding candidates for, say, a criminal record, mental incapacity, or foreign obligations is less democratic but no reasonable person would claim it voids the will of the people.
Not sure where you're getting the "overturned" part, but if you're trying to point out the the DNC runs roughshod over party members, then you're right only in the sense that they suck.
What sucks more is having a two-party system -- the game is pretty well rigged by that. Voters have the choice of the lesser of two evils. But at least there's a choice involved.
So, comrade, you have failed to sway me. I don't put party before country, even if I was a party member. I doubt you can say the same.
What sucks more is having a two-party system -- the game is pretty well rigged by that. Voters have the choice of the lesser of two evils. But at least there's a choice involved.
So, comrade, you have failed to sway me. I don't put party before country, even if I was a party member. I doubt you can say the same.
Bike-shedding is your counter argument?
Here's an interview with Thiel and Vance's guru on "democracy": https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/magazine/curtis-yarvin-in... -- the word democracy is used there as it is by most who use it in the context of the US (including myself).
And the person they picked for this is a charismatic narcissist who clearly only cares about himself? The examples of previous "dictators" all clearly believed that what they were doing was for the benefit of the country as a whole.
Those opposed to Trump holding office don't do so because he's in the "wrong party", they oppose him because he is eminently unsuitable for the job. Note that even hard core conservative members of his party advocated for voting for his opponent. That's a first, and there's a reason why.
Note as well that he's making noise about ignoring a constitutional amendment that would prohibit him from the office after this term.
Here's an interview with Thiel and Vance's guru on "democracy": https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/magazine/curtis-yarvin-in... -- the word democracy is used there as it is by most who use it in the context of the US (including myself).
And the person they picked for this is a charismatic narcissist who clearly only cares about himself? The examples of previous "dictators" all clearly believed that what they were doing was for the benefit of the country as a whole.
Those opposed to Trump holding office don't do so because he's in the "wrong party", they oppose him because he is eminently unsuitable for the job. Note that even hard core conservative members of his party advocated for voting for his opponent. That's a first, and there's a reason why.
Note as well that he's making noise about ignoring a constitutional amendment that would prohibit him from the office after this term.
Under this administration? Mainly that Trump doesn't want to directly own everything.
What's stopping the current admin from saying "we don't like you, you gotta sell", now that's another question! Currently the main answer is "your willingness to pay bribes".
What's stopping the current admin from saying "we don't like you, you gotta sell", now that's another question! Currently the main answer is "your willingness to pay bribes".
You just found the central tactic China has been using for 10+ years now.
This whole posting is 74 words, which I imagine is about the total amount of quotable thought Nissan has given to the topic.
Given:
Given:
* how long it would take to set up new manufacturing
* how volatile constant changes are with boundless, randomized tariffs
(it's only been 3 months, y'all)
* how recent this newest set of tariffs are
> This whole posting is 74 words, which I imagine is about the total amount of quotable thought Nissan has given to the topic.
Nikkei is Japan's Financial Times (they own that too) or Wall Street Journal, so they have a strong relationship with Japanese, Chinese, Korean, ASEAN, and Indian businesses and policymakers.
Nikkei is easily the best source of English language business news in APAC.
There also wasn't any reference to "coffee shops" in the article either.
Nikkei is Japan's Financial Times (they own that too) or Wall Street Journal, so they have a strong relationship with Japanese, Chinese, Korean, ASEAN, and Indian businesses and policymakers.
Nikkei is easily the best source of English language business news in APAC.
There also wasn't any reference to "coffee shops" in the article either.
Is that actually feasible or just marketing copy? Moving car production sounds like a multi-year effort. The latest tariff numbers might not even last the week.
Or is this one of a, "99% constructed in Japan, but we attached the wiper blades in the USA" kind of manufacturing move?
Or is this one of a, "99% constructed in Japan, but we attached the wiper blades in the USA" kind of manufacturing move?
> a, "99% constructed in Japan, but we attached the wiper blades in the USA" kind of manufacturing move
CDKs would still be hit by the 25% auto tariff (unrelated to the country level tariffs).
It's already been manufactured in Tennessee since 2023, so what's most likely happening is Nissan will stop shipping parts from Japan and rely solely on their NAM supply chain.
> Is that actually feasible or just marketing copy
Most likely depends on scale. Most firms at Nissan size began building redundancy plans during COVID due to supply chain instability.
CDKs would still be hit by the 25% auto tariff (unrelated to the country level tariffs).
It's already been manufactured in Tennessee since 2023, so what's most likely happening is Nissan will stop shipping parts from Japan and rely solely on their NAM supply chain.
> Is that actually feasible or just marketing copy
Most likely depends on scale. Most firms at Nissan size began building redundancy plans during COVID due to supply chain instability.
I guess I am pre-disposed to believe there might be clever ways around it. I thought Ford was caught doing cute things to avoid the chicken tax by converting vans to trucks.
> I thought Ford was caught doing cute things to avoid the chicken tax by converting vans to trucks
Regulators don't take kindly to those kinds of shenanigans.
Ford had to pay $365M in fines [0] for that stunt (which is around 6% of their yearly net income - painful in a low margins industry like car manufacturing).
Volkswagen tried something similar in India as well and now needs to pay $2.5-3 Billion (17% of their year net income) as a result.
[0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-p...
Regulators don't take kindly to those kinds of shenanigans.
Ford had to pay $365M in fines [0] for that stunt (which is around 6% of their yearly net income - painful in a low margins industry like car manufacturing).
Volkswagen tried something similar in India as well and now needs to pay $2.5-3 Billion (17% of their year net income) as a result.
[0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-p...
I only heard the start of the story, never about the penalties. Good to know that there is (eventual) enforcement.
Classical “tariff engineering” also includes a small, hidden pocket on some garments to make them into shirts.
Note this isn't an announcement of a new factory but rather moving production of their most popular model out of Japan.
TIL Nissan considers the Rogue their flagship model and they still make vehicles in Japan.
TIL Nissan considers the Rogue their flagship model and they still make vehicles in Japan.
That’s unfortunate since the Rogue is pretty awful in terms of build quality. Popular in the US though
He said this is what would happen. I voted for him. And it’s happening. Nothing to be upset about. Even his deranged haters, some who have tried to murder him at least twice now and attack American Teslas, are going to benefit.
It takes time, it will happen.
> Some who
2 people (one claims he voted for Trump in 2016)
> attack American teslas
Also a small number of people who have actually “attacked” Teslas
2 people (one claims he voted for Trump in 2016)
> attack American teslas
Also a small number of people who have actually “attacked” Teslas
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Any business shifting to the US right now will just be part of the corruption. Everyone else will avoid the US for a very long time.
What this is saying is they will stop co-mingling parts from their Japan, Thailand, China, and India suppliers, and stick to using their NAM suppliers.