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fintechjock
·17 dni temu·discuss
I've been on the Discord for a couple of years now, and poking around with submissions as well. Sean and the entire team deserve so much praise for all of this work.

It's easy to just read about the breakthrough and see it as one neat, linear line to get there, and hard to comprehend the hours, months and years that so many spent to get there. Big congrats to you, Sean, Nat and the entire team!
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
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fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
I think your point on costs here is right. I was treating “computer software” as anything that consumers use: apps that provide a service for free in exchange for data, etc.

Very interesting, thanks!
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
We can be respectful with this!

The tweet is from Mark Henry who updates that chart often. It’s cited pretty often. There is a bit about the methodology here: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-or-century-8...

My original list was just some brief examples, all of which I think hold up, but not nearly the entire list of data center benefits to all consumers. (One of those other benefits being the means to have this very conversation). There isn’t much of a way I can see to remove data centers from the technological progress we’ve benefited from over the last couple of decades.
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
> Cheaper software

Software prices are down 73% since 2000: https://x.com/Mark_J_Perry/status/2015463505298878746

> Nearly unlimited cloud storage

$9 / month for 2tb of cloud storage is a pretty sweet deal for anyone. And unfathomable if you travelled back in time before data centers were scaled.

Data centers are a net good for all consumers. Pretty significantly!
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
Found something. Not very exact data, but Virginia has the highest concentration of data centers per capita, but average electric bills: https://www.electricchoice.com/average-electric-bills/

I agree with your take on tradeoffs when it comes to DCs that are built with tax abatements, which are a terrible deal for consumers. Those that are not receiving tax benefits will make up for short-term energy prices with long-term property tax benefits, that will eventually pay back the grid upgrades and fund even more upgrades in the future.
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
I don't see a widespread issue in keeping the lights on, outside of the Lake Tahoe fubar.

Considering utility rates, I would happily pay more for utilities in the short term to have 30+ years of lower property taxes. The data centers property taxes would go to paying for that buildout, and over time it's a great deal for consumers. That said, I'm in Texas so the property tax issue is more prevalent than it would be in New York.
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
Interesting, thanks!
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
Cheaper software – all of them

Nearly unlimited cloud storage - AWS / Google / etc. Data centers are the Cloud

Lower property taxes - data centers increase the property tax base, creating tax compression, which shift property tax from consumer –> company. I'm in Texas, so can only be sure that is true here. I have not looked at all other states.
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
Those are residents, not consumers across the US
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
True, for the average HN consumer

But a new iPhone Pro is $154 cheaper than it was in 2020 when adjusted for inflation, and that is probably all the average consumer really cares about
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
What would you estimate is the annual electricity spend for those living next to data centers and those who don’t?
fintechjock
·w zeszłym miesiącu·discuss
How are they harming consumers?

I would think that consumers would vastly benefit from cheaper software, nearly unlimited cloud storage, lower property taxes. Heck, the next generation of data centers are looking like they will actually be net energy producers.

Consumers might not know that they benefit from data centers, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t
fintechjock
·7 miesięcy temu·discuss
Correct.

It is also worth noting that the non-wealthy pay for higher education in two ways: first through tuition, and second through the taxes required to fund the very programs that provided their "discount."
fintechjock
·3 lata temu·discuss
Really cool and interesting. I definitely think the market is there for this.

I'm betting that your biggest hurdle will be post-purchase. If I remember correctly, Tony Fadell talks about how hard it was to disrupt the contractor model when building Nest. People often just bought whatever thermostat their contractor recommended, and those contractors were incentivized to push them towards specific brands. They beat this by just making the product super easy to install by the consumer and cutting out the contractor all together (something I doubt is feasible with a heat pump).

Maybe that won't be a problem with the DTC model considering the contractor is only brought in post-purchase, but I wonder if this really takes hold if competitors start trying to corner local installers. Good luck!