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5 lat temudiscuss

I guess, I have more to say. This is such an interesting choice from so many perspectives. Thinking about it more, I think the blanket banning of all political discussion is kind of a silly notion. Now, as many others have already pointed out in this thread, employees may be wondering what's okay to discuss at all. But like they said in the post (and as others have seen from internal leaked chats), political conversations and opinions can get out of hand and become extremely toxic. Fast. It's a bit surprising how they handled this and how they possibly figured it could go over well. Especially considering their apparent already open political discussion friendly environment. Like I said before, I've never been involved in a company that has active public political discussions. To me, this does actually seem like breeding grounds for toxic coworker relations. However, as I already stated, it seems like this was already part of their internal culture. I think the right decision would just be to ban toxic arguments (and also define what a toxic argument is), and settling on a "agree to disagree" type of policy. Idk. Tough one.

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5 lat temudiscuss

Had to make a throwaway because I was nervous to discuss opinions even remotely related to politics with my personal account, but wanted to share regardless.

This is an interesting move and I really don't think we are getting the whole story on what caused such a drastic change. It's interesting because, for the most part, I think it is safe to assume that most basecamp employees are liberal leaning, including the founders. My first thought was, why not just deal with these specific problem employees individually? Well, surely they must have tried. I can't imagine going public with such a drastic change if they didn't first at least try to correct the behavior of misbehaving employees. What's misbehaving? I would classify that as slinging personal insults/threats across the room. Would you fire these employees if they didn't stop this behavior? I'm not sure. It doesn't seem like something basecamp would do. In fact, it might make it _worse_ for them from a PR perspective if they did this, even if the employees were completely out of line for what is appropriate workplace conversation.

So not sure. In this situation, I would give them the benefit of the doubt(other than on the poor communication). I've never worked at a place where politics was discussed heavily in either work chat or in person (outside of friends talking with friends, which IMO, is perfectly acceptable), but I've seen some conversations (such as the leaked Github chat) that are just plain toxic and I wouldn't feel comfortable rebuttaling extreme views without fear of retribution. I personally don't think that people should have to deal with that in a work environment, but just my 2c. I guess it's just where do you draw the line, and internally, they must have hit that point.

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