ponkipo · HackerTrans

About evaluation - you are right, they don’t say they are contributors in their comments explicitly (which they probably should do), but it was quite telling in one case, when a person trash-talked about OM clearly without proof, but then if you go to its profile and visit a personal website from there - turns out that they are a contributor.

I totally expect that’s is also the case with other commenters, but it’s fair to say it’s mostly a guess on my side as for most people you can’t say for sure as they don’t have GitHubs linked to the profile. But I’m 100% sure there are several contributors commenting there, especially taking into account how many CoMaps comments and mentions are there and overall popularity of this app, which is not very big.

ponkipo

6 dni temudiscuss

I've read both Organic Maps thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48794446 (as it's my favorite map app I use for years around the world, and I'm an active OSM contributor as well) which quickly became overrun with CoMaps followers trash-talking about OM, now this thread appears.

What I find interesting to see, and I think it's not just me who can see this - that basically every mention of CoMaps and why it is good and Organic is bad is it not only seems to be mostly written not by a regular users, but by people who contribute to CoMaps (!) - they all fail to show why exactly anybody should migrate from established app with authors who have years of experience of making Maps.Me and OM - to a basically a no-name (based on downloads) clone who is made by... "community"? We don't even know who that is, original developers and people with experience are not involved.

All the talk is not about functionality of the app or anything which is actually important to users - it's all basically complaints about some kind of _internal drama_, add some misleading stuff about "dying project" or "lost community" from some commenters. So many cries about "ads" which are not actually ads but affiliate links in hotels POI which nobody clicks anyway, it's so mild it's just weird to lament about, at least I as a long time user see no issue at all.

I can advise CoMaps community to focus on developing the app which can actually make real users migrate and use because of functionality, speed or other things that matter, instead of making your community look toxic because of this trash-talk. Show real improvements in comparison with OM - make live maps updates like OSMAnd, make bookmark folders with specific colors tied to it, make app barely eat any battery, make convenient and powerful interface to add data to the map - then people will move. But for now Organic Maps is totally fine and many people like me see no reason to move from it anywhere.

ponkipo

6 dni temudiscuss

Another nitpick: at least OM is made by people who made MapsMe. CoMaps is not - developed by a community, whatever it means.

ponkipo

6 dni temudiscuss

> Organic Maps is a for-profit venture that accepts donations. That's sketchy.

I don’t understand why it is “sketchy”. Also do you have any proof on “Kremlin links”?

ponkipo

7 dni temudiscuss

> OM has lost most of its community a year ago to comaps > rushing to compensate

I understand that you, being a contributor to CoMaps which people can see on your page, want to promote it, but it’s just spreading false info. Just one Russian community of OrganicMaps in Telegram has 4000+ members, CoMaps RU is not even at 200. Global group of OM is at 1650, CoMaps is at 840 of it.

It’s not OM who is compensating all over the place in this thread.

ponkipo

7 dni temudiscuss

As a active OSM contibutor with 7k+ changesets, Organic is my favorite map app I use for years traveling around the world, also donated to them. Only use GMaps for finding businesses.

Tried CoMaps, saw no reason to migrate to it at all - why migrate to basically no-name app (in terms of popularity) which is developed by who knows who (not even a Maps Me or OM devs) if Organic is totally good, has updates, stable, works well and has no ads? Have no idea what is this ad talk to be honest.

OSMAnd is nice, but too cluttered, OM is much easier to use. Only cool thing is being able to get live updates to a map if you changed something in OSM, but never actually used it for real.

ponkipo

7 dni temudiscuss

comment doesn't seem very objective, OM receives monthly updates the same way it did for years, also getting new features each time. so define what you mean here by repeating "dying project" two times?

ponkipo

w zeszłym rokudiscuss

Man this "Russia is running out of XXX" tale is becoming quite old and not being taken seriously nowadays - year by year goes with the same narrative and it's only getting objectively worse for Ukraine...

ponkipo

w zeszłym rokudiscuss

Why you need to imagine things? deepstate map shows really well which army is "collapsing" now