Ask HN: Would you pay for a privacy-first social platform?

11 pointsby sammiejhá 6 meses10 comments

I'm researching demand for an end-to-end encrypted social platform focused on private groups (family/friends) rather than public feeds.

Core thesis: "They don't own you" is becoming a movement. People want: - E2E encryption (platform can't read content) - True deletion (cryptographic, not just "marked as deleted") - Subscription model (no ads, no data mining) - Open source (verifiable claims)

The gap: Signal is for messaging, Discord isn't private, Facebook is surveillance capitalism. Nothing serves the "private social groups" use case with real privacy.

Before building, I need to validate if this is a real pain point or just something that sounds nice but nobody would actually switch for.

2-min anonymous survey: https://forms.gle/bfZYPfxMUBCc1iACA

Honest feedback appreciated—especially if the answer is "this wouldn't work because X."

10 comments

sequinhá 6 meses

Very, very few people care about privacy to a meaningful degree, even if they (loudly) profess that they do. For communication apps specifically, there's also the network effect problem and having to deal with the increasing proliferation of government speech laws (Online Safety Act and what have you).

If you just want to make a buck, build a ChatGPT wrapper where people will pay you for the privilege of uploading their deepest secrets and intellectual property to your servers.

If you're ideologically motivated, forget about the profit motive and go FOSS.

toomuchtodohá 6 meses

I just use iMessages and Signal groups. I am willing to live without the features, what they offer for private groups is sufficient. Shared Apple iCloud albums for photos. Apple also has an Invites app for events management. “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” —- da Vinci

I do donate monthly to Signal and pay for iCloud, so I suppose the answer is “I am willing to pay, but only these entities.”

ares623há 6 meses

Being hyper connected with family is overrated. A little bit of distance is healthy. Makes the rare reunion more meaningful.

bayeslawhá 6 meses

Asked this here 2 years ago. Answer is: no

sammiejhá 6 meses

Thanks for your reply. Curious what the feedback was 2 years ago? Was it "wouldn't use it" or "already exists"?

The problem I'm trying to solve is different from group messaging: - WhatsApp/Telegram = messaging (1-1, group chats, calls) - This = social platform (feed of posts, photos/videos, chronological timeline, comments)

Think "Facebook groups but encrypted" not "another messaging app."

But if HN said "no" to that specific framing, that's valuable to know.

mittenschá 6 meses

that already exists.

whatsapp/telegram/... groups.

google photo shares.

meet ups for matches/beer/...

sammiejhá 6 meses

Thanks for your reply. I hear you, but those solve different problems:

WhatsApp/Telegram groups = messaging (chat interface) Google Photos = photo sharing (no social features) This = social feed (posts with photos/videos, comments, reactions, chronological timeline)

The gap: If I want my family across 3 countries to see updates (like Facebook), but don't trust Meta with the data, what do I use?

WhatsApp groups scroll too fast, Google Photos has no conversation features, Telegram isn't E2E by default.

But if you're saying "the market doesn't care about that gap," that's exactly what I'm trying to validate.

mittenschá 6 meses

> The gap: If I want my family across 3 countries to see updates (like Facebook), but don't trust Meta with the data, what do I use?

Google photos, shared album?

Any messager group so people just chat.

Talk to them directly?

I'm not sure what another social network would bring... I'm not exactly using any of the existing ones anymore anyway.

good luck either way.

pratikshit08há 6 meses

make for rich people group aspirational

elbcihá 6 meses

You are selling ceiling fans to preppers. There are regular ppl who use regular homes with air conditioners (google/telegram/whatsup) and preppers who use underground bunkers with sealed carbon cycle systems and micro-whatever bio-nano filters (mesh radio networks, torrent deaddrop files, whatever p2p solution) and then there's you selling ceiling fans based on the same vulnerable old grid and NSA sensible single point of failure website.