Ask HN: Why is a "War ON Iran" being labelled as a "War IN Iran"?
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You're just splitting hairs here. Everyone knows the US and Israel are attacking Iran; that is not being covered up.
Usually we declare war on concepts (war on drugs, war on terror) but in places.
Usually we declare war on concepts (war on drugs, war on terror) but in places.
No, used literally "war" (without modifiers like "civil", etc.) refers to a thing waged between countries. War on concepts are a metaphor, not a literal description, that puts the—actual or for-propaganda-purposes—goal of a set of policies front and center rather than actual policies ((which may or may not be or include literal wars on countries; consider the range from the "War on Poverty" through the "War on Drugs" to the "Global War on Terror".)
I don't disagree with any of that but I don't think it's relevant to the on vs. in hair-splitting either.
OP Here:
This war is on its way to causing a huge energy crisis globally of the kind that happened in 1973, as headlines like these show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBW-zXeaHTQ - France confirms oil crisis, says 30-40 percent of Gulf energy infrastructure destroyed
At least in this one the channel are leftist oriented enough to mention US and Israel at the start, never to mention them again, but listen to Christine Lagarde at 4:21 - None of us, none of us can resolve the uncertainty about how and when the Ukraine war will end and how the war in Iran will play out.
Note how she keeps the names of the aggressors out of the wars naming. In the former the Europeans wilfully cut themselves of Russian energy and in the latter the whole thing is out of their control. Question is how do you develop the proper mindset to fix problems when the root causes of the problem are kept out of the descriptions of the problems?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPInl-2qZks - Bangladesh fuel crisis deepens as war on Iran drives long queues and loan plea
Note how in the above video the narrator says at 0:23 - "The US/Israeli conflict with Iran is now disrupting global energy supplies"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VavXBDH7N0w - Philippines has '45 days of fuel left', declaring state of emergency from Iran war
This war is on its way to causing a huge energy crisis globally of the kind that happened in 1973, as headlines like these show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBW-zXeaHTQ - France confirms oil crisis, says 30-40 percent of Gulf energy infrastructure destroyed
At least in this one the channel are leftist oriented enough to mention US and Israel at the start, never to mention them again, but listen to Christine Lagarde at 4:21 - None of us, none of us can resolve the uncertainty about how and when the Ukraine war will end and how the war in Iran will play out.
Note how she keeps the names of the aggressors out of the wars naming. In the former the Europeans wilfully cut themselves of Russian energy and in the latter the whole thing is out of their control. Question is how do you develop the proper mindset to fix problems when the root causes of the problem are kept out of the descriptions of the problems?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPInl-2qZks - Bangladesh fuel crisis deepens as war on Iran drives long queues and loan plea
Note how in the above video the narrator says at 0:23 - "The US/Israeli conflict with Iran is now disrupting global energy supplies"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VavXBDH7N0w - Philippines has '45 days of fuel left', declaring state of emergency from Iran war
My guess is that “War in Iran” can be seen as a neutral name. It is literally where the war is taking place. Whereas “War on Iran” assumes the perspective of one of the sides even if it may be a more accurate description. Sort of like how people in Vietnam don’t call it the “Vietnam war” because that would not make sense from their perspective but it does make sense from a neutral perspective.
I think you're confusing "Ask HN" with permission to use a post as your personal space to rant. That's what a blog is for.
E.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43667268
E.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43667268
> What is the mental feebleness and addlement within the Western mainstream media and body politic that make them unable to call the war for what it is - the United States and Israel's War On Iran?
Saving this.
Your version is too long. Everyone knows who is fighting.
Saving this.
Your version is too long. Everyone knows who is fighting.
It would be fair to call it the War on the Islamic Republic of Iran.
It's confusing to call it the War on Iran since it seems a majority of Iran wants "Iran" to lose.
It's confusing to call it the War on Iran since it seems a majority of Iran wants "Iran" to lose.
That's just how wars are named, it's not some grand conspiracy. It was the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, the Vietnam War, the Crimean War. They don't call it the War on Ukraine either.
> That's just how wars are named
It's a common distancing language used for current wars by the news media (particularly in the US.) It's not how "wars are named" in any more general sense.
> It was the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, the Vietnam War, the Crimean War.
Only two of those follow the pattern you suggest is "just the way wars are named".
> They don't call it the War on Ukraine either.
Outside of news media reports, it is the Russo-Ukrainian War, not "the War in Ukraine", while in media reports it is "the War in Ukraine" (often even when the events being discussed are factually in what is, undisputedly, Russia.)
It's a common distancing language used for current wars by the news media (particularly in the US.) It's not how "wars are named" in any more general sense.
> It was the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, the Vietnam War, the Crimean War.
Only two of those follow the pattern you suggest is "just the way wars are named".
> They don't call it the War on Ukraine either.
Outside of news media reports, it is the Russo-Ukrainian War, not "the War in Ukraine", while in media reports it is "the War in Ukraine" (often even when the events being discussed are factually in what is, undisputedly, Russia.)
As far as I can tell there are no reports of two more factions in Iran fighting one another for the media to label the ongoing situation as the "War In Iran", or are there?
Why does the label never mention the two parties which are responsible for this "War in Iran", ie the United States of America and the state of Israel?
What is the mental feebleness and addlement within the Western mainstream media and body politic that make them unable to call the war for what it is - the United States and Israel's War On Iran?
Why keep the names two most critical parties in this war out of this designation?
1.The United States (of America).
2. The State of Israel.
Yes. With the greatest bravery and utter fearlessness I mentioned them. Someone please sue me.
Is this due to corruption?
Is this due to bribery?
What the heck is going on?
Are the Western governments and media that financially and morally compromised are they just "pusillanimous", a word whose leading syllables in plural are a very apt description of their condition.
Can the Western world overcome its inexorable decline when their collective body politic lacks the ability to label and frame problems as exactly what they are?