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CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
E beam lithography in credibly difficult. Recommend chapter 13 in "Principles of Lithography" https://spie.org/Publications/Book/2525392?SSO=1.

My opinions is that this whole comment discussion about creating a competitor is in the wrong direction. It is impossible to recreate and outperform what ASML has.

A better focus would be to tackle problems in the <2nm processes. If someone found a method to stop electron tunneling at smaller nodes, this will net much more revenue and create more value for society.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
More insight from me.

First, the structure. TSMC will have tool owners who manage the tool on their side. The tool suppliers will have engineers who maintain the tools from their side. A tool is a piece of equipment involved in the manufacturing process.

This relationship is interesting. The tool owner's performance is heavily dependent upon their ability to maximize availability. This mainly involves managing relationships with the suppliers and fighting for more resources from the supplier's engineers to fix the tools.

Supplier sign availability contracts to provide maintenance for the tools. There is a lot of pressure and politics involved.

Second is hiring. Onboarding is a big problem. Training a college grad from scratch requires 1.5 years, a lot of domain knowledge. It is a huge investment to fly them around the world to different training sites and to give them opportunities to practice on the tools.

Lastly is culture. TSMC pushes their guys and their tools to their limits. They work in high pressure environments and are expected to proactively step up. In Taiwan, the managers often yell at their workers and the workers have little room to negotiate.

TSMC tool owners know a lot more about how the tools work than their competitors, sometimes even more than their suppliers. TSMC tool owners often step in and do things themselves.

TSMC will also not be able to hire the same quality of talent as in Taiwan. TSMC in Taiwan pays more and has higher prestige. This is not the same in Arizona. They will also have trouble convincing "target school" talent to relocate to Arizona.

Now what does this amount to?

First, the supplier's engineers will have options to work for Intel and Samsung and will probability prefer to work at those sites. Intel has the best work culture. Quality, safety, etc. This will force TSMC to make changes.

Second, TSMC will have trouble keeping talent if they push phds to work as tool owners, as the job market provides better opportunities in the US.

This will result in the new fab to staffed with more inexperienced workers. This is very problematic because domain knowledge from experience in this field is key. The inexperience will result in availability issues (5-10 percent) affect production.

So what should TSMC do?

What TSMC must adapt to the local culture and lower their expectations. They must be able to convince experienced engineers to work at their site. They can also push this to their supplier's side in terms of availability contracts. They need to relocated some experienced process engineers and tool owners from Taiwan or the throughput and yield will drop.

If they do hire new talent, they have a great opportunity to break industry norms. This industry is filled with bad practices from older engineers. These habits are incredibly difficult to break. If they train new engineers correctly, they can outperform the older engineers.

End of the day, the fab will come up, it will run. The question is how many chips will they be able to produce in the first few years.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
Not a chance. The machines are so complex that nobody knows the whole thing. People dedicate their lives to one small component.

What I value is the opportunity to be see technology and scale of this caliber.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
Can’t tell you the exact details but you should be able to find details from the patents, papers, and tech talks from ASML.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
Definitely two types of software here. Everything about that post is spot on.

Internal software is messy. Testing is also messy. Lots of things need to be automated. End of the day, it’s a bunch of hardware people.

The exciting stuff are the physics simulations. Modeling how lens aberrations affect the light that passes through and how to correct for that.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
Can't talk about that :)
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
I am not an expert in this area. Most of it is physics simulations.

An example I know of is that we use feed forward control to make sure layers are aligned and printed with nanometer precision. Simulations are needed in this instance to model effects like thermal expansion, pressure waves, and much more.

There is also more work in metrology (measurement) with stuff like scanning electron microscopes, lasers, flow, etc.

You can find more about this by looking at the companies ASML has acquired or ASML's job postings.
CookiesNCream23
·há 5 anos·discuss
I work in the industry and have worked in a fab. Here is some insight.

We are taught that fabs are not treated as factories but as hazardous chemical storage plants. On top of that, we work with high pressure and high power systems.

Fires have accounted for the most damage to fabs over the years; however, this situation is different.

The site is not a fab, it is a ASML manufacturing plant. This plant does not produce chips. It produces parts for the ASML machines. It makes the tables the wafer moves on and the frame the mask moves on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH6Urfqt_d4

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mask

Downstream effects of this fire will reduce the uptime of the machines and the delivery of promised machines to our customers.

To plug ASML. Speaking as a new grad. If you are in hardware, physics, nanoscience, simulations. ASML is the best company to work at if you want to learn. I get exposure to maybe the most complex engineering system is the world. The scale, complexity, details, and just hardcore technology is mind-blowing. I am plugging ASML because it is not widely know and I would love if fellow engineers had the opportunity to work here. I absolutely love the work I do.