genon · HackerTrans

Correct. It's odd that someone could contrive a meaning to do pornography. I also don't think "dirty mac" (as in "dirty mac brigade") is a term used in the US.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

Of course. Otherwise why even provide a service in the first place?

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

Your link does not necessarily refute the post you're replying to. Gay people are not a protected group under Federal law; nor, AIUI, are they in most states.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

After I warn them that I will cancel the service if they don't stop falsely claiming I endorse the Nazi cause, and they ignore my warning.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> "Free speech" on the internet never really existed

Long before 4chan repeated everything Usenet had done many years earlier there was plenty of free speech on the Internet.

Not because nobody was in control to prevent it, but because the news admins who were in control believed in free speech enough to facilitate it. Although Usenet is a shadow of its heyday, that still applies even to this day.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> Can a bar refuse entry to children?

If it's legal for children to enter a bar, I don't see why a bar should be able to refuse entry to children.

> Can a cinema kick someone out for talking during a movie?

If they're causing a problem for other people in the cinema and refuse to stop, sure. A right to be access a product or service shouldn't override other people's right to get what they paid for.

So for "lawful manner" in my above post: "lawful manner, or manner that doesn't negatively impact other customers".

> Can a dance club have a dress code?

If a club wants to only allow a specific type of member then it should be a private club.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

Let's make it even more complicated. Bob believes absolutely everything Al does, in fact his views are somehow even worse than Al's, but because he's not allowed to express his opinion nobody knows what he really thinks and he can only plan his genocide in secret.

Is it okay for me to buy donuts from him then?

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

I'm surprised at how many people are pretending not to understand what I wrote, seemingly in order to proclaim how anti-Nazi they are.

When I was a teenager and first read Chomsky, being anti-censorship was a left-wing thing. I don't think Chomsky has changed his opinion on censorship, or his political persuasion, and neither have I.

It's a pity that people who believe in fascistic ideals (censorship and discrimination based on political beliefs) are what is deemed "the left" these days.

IMO, if you believe in censorship and do not support free speech you are not left-wing.

> claimed that refusing service to Nazis was "spurious" and "bigoted"

Do you seriously need me to explain that "bigoted" referred to the cake example? Seriously?

As for the rest. Cloudflare did not refuse service to "Nazis". Had they done so, they would have not had to remove that service, under the entirely spurious reason that Matthew Prince woke up in a bad mood and claims they wrote something he didn't like.

They're still providing service to Stormfront, and who knows how many other "Nazi" sites.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

I'm genuinely shocked at how some people can so blithely, and possibly obliviously, throw out textbook pro-discrimination arguments when the target of the discrimination is something they don't happen to support.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> Do you think that businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against skateboarders, or people who refuse to wear shirts and shoes?

I don't believe that businesses should be allowed to discriminate against anyone who is behaving in a lawful manner.

Is that belief what you're calling a "weird personal ideology"?

> Do you have an similar argument for why Nazis shouldn't be fired, or why we shouldn't consider whether the people that we do business with employ, or are, Nazis?

If someone's beliefs don't negatively affect their ability to do their job, why should they be fired for their beliefs? Should Democrats be fired? Should atheists? Are "Nazis" the only people capable of bias and discrimination?

Likewise, why should someone's beliefs be a factor in whether I do business with them? If I'm buying something from someone why would anything other than price and quality of the product or service even come up?

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

If you get what I'm saying - comparing two well-known instances from different parts of the political spectrum where businesses try and refuse custom for ideological reasons - why are you pretending I'm comparing gay people to neo-Nazis?

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> Usually you have to do something drastic to actively disprove the libelous claim

Yes, that something is called suing for libel and proving it is libel in a court.

Simply claiming something is libel (which Prince doesn't even do in his blog post) doesn't make it libel.

> Usually you have to do something drastic to actively disprove the libelous claim, if you want to regain the lost reputation.

Because of Cloudflare's action there are now 1000 times as many people, including myself, who are aware of TDS's claim who otherwise wouldn't have heard of it.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

Absolutely correct.

He is also effectively saying that since he can and will remove sites he personally doesn't like, that he personally approves of every other site using Cloudflare.

The excuse he uses for terminating TDS is an absolute crock; if TDS genuinely did falsely and sincerely claim that Cloudflare supports them, then Prince could and should have simply asked them to remove that claim.

It's an outrage that businesses that want to enjoy all the benefits of selling to the public can discriminate against members of that public for any spurious or bigoted reason they like.

Don't wanna sell cakes to gay people or host pro-Nazi sites? Don't start a business serving the public then.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> Interesting how the British told the French and Belgians to fight on

The French only fought because the British (who were not in command) told them to?

> They even forced the French at gunpoint who wanted to defend Dunkirk to destroy their weapons.

You just said the British told the French to fight on. Now you're saying they forced the French "at gunpoint" (?) to destroy their weapons?

> French who wanted to embark were shot at by the BEF [...] The BEF got away and the French fighting were captured.

Of the people rescued by British ships and taken to Britain, 123,000 were French and 198,000 were British.

As for the BEF "getting away", a second BEF was assembled by Britain to defend France after Dunkirk - again under the command of the French - despite France's defeat being inevitable at that point.

> All RAF fighter squadrons were moved to the UK ahead of the evacuation.

The RAF moved to the UK due to European bases being overrun by the Germans. Nevertheless, despite certain and imminent French defeat and despite requiring aircraft for its own survival, Britain did send squadrons to France after Dunkirk. The RAF in fact sacrificed around 1000 aircraft, and even more in personnel, in defence of France.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> I don't really know anything bad about NZ.

https://e2nz.org

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

ARPANET/the Internet was developed to facilitate communication, remote access and data sharing between different computer systems. Are you sticking with "Why not just use a phone?".

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

I don't know if this just sounded like a zinger to you when you wrote it, but "the Internet" is a prime example of anything but a solution in search of a problem.

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

For people living on the cutting edge of the web, here's a Bootstrap 3 version:

https://github.com/abcarroll/geo3-bootstrap

genon

há 9 anosdiscuss

> Guns are, on average, not so useful / safe.

To be fair, I don't think many people are killed by toy guns. One thing I'll never forget from the land of Orwell is this from 15 years ago (virtually to the day, ironically enough):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2168430.stm

    Three 12-year-old children were arrested
    by five police officers who then fingerprinted
    them and took DNA samples, after the youngsters
    were seen playing with a toy gun.

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