ggy5567 · HackerTrans

I certainly hope so, but the numbers (how great the benefit is) keep getting lower. And your stats are just per population. Maybe the people who refuse to get vaccinated are also 2-3x as likely to refuse to wear masks or avoid crowds. We need real stats somehow by randomly testing populations then seeing how they fare.

ggy5567

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> covid is aerosolized so why are we worrying about droplets again?

Becasue we don't want sick people spitting all over the place when they talk, even when we aren't inhaling their breath.

ggy5567

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> It ends when the the threat subsides.

You just skipped past their entire point, after helping build it (mandates to protect "society" indeed). Society will never be completely safe. Government has a tendency to hang on forever to powers gained during emergencies.

ggy5567

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As I recall the basis of the argument against lockdowns (which yes was made by legitimate epidemeologists before covid made everything so politicized and tribal) is that the disease eventually comes right back and infects everyone once the lockdown ends. I do think there is a good argument about allowing vaccines to be developed and delivered though. But benefits like preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed were believed to already be achievable with social distancing alone. So one must be careful to not give to much credit to the lockdowns alone.

As for excess deaths, it presumably depends on how well the country can endure the self-inflicted downsides (such as a recession) that comes with it. Countries where it causes severe problems probably are the very ones who didn't have the political will to maintain the lockdowns, leading to some biased conclusions. We also have lots of other issues caused by covid response such as shortages and spiking prices all over. Being outright dodged by pointing blame at some indermediate actor like "corporate supply chains" or "hoarders" or whatever.

The point is there are arguments that can be made on all sides. No need to insult and dismiss people.

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