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rds2000

há 11 anosdiscuss

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviancy_amplification_spiral

You can't simply cry abuse and magically learn data structures and algorithms. You can't tweet or sue (well, suing require hard evidence) your way to gainful employment as an engineer. You also don't need social support to study programming, it's a hobby you can master regardless of what you look like. How did you manage

Thomas Sowell said (pertaining to an article on using the nuke in Japan, but he uses it to test liberal media-hype later):

Much of the self-righteous nonsense that abounds on so many subjects cannot stand up to three questions:

1. Compared to what? 2. At what cost? and 3. What are the hard facts?

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

Package library systems like this are mirrored on CDN's and often cached locally in the user's `$HOME` folder in some way (at least in the case of npm and bower).

If someone's downloading your repo, why wouldn't they mind getting their dependencies the normal way? Also, there is the benefit of your git history not having to track vendor libs, and you being able to lock versions in.

This is about convenience to yourself as a developer, as well as others. Feel no need to include vendor libraries :), it's ok.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

https://github.com/calltrackingasia/opencall/blob/developmen...

This is hardly giving it away to the world. It's making the source viewable, but it feels it's not about open code, but someone who spent $25k developing a platform (often more in many cases).

Open source has this thing where people refer to it as free, in reality, this is just like someone begging for us to pay their monthly fee and give them free commits.

Why? For something anyone here could do with a CRUD app?

... If I used your software commercially, I can't even link it to my own software.

This gplv3 stuff shouldn't be allowed to be thought of as free, it should be thought of low trickery. Read the license, imagine if this was your business. It looks as if someone wants the world to program their software. But it's not the world's software, it's their software, their control, their power. Not yours. Not the worlds.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

I feel that these people are nothing more than an entitled group of lazy jerks that use twitter to pressure, blame and get ego boosts. They lean and get the easy way, yet claim they're disenfranchised. I can't help but ramble, but I really worry why people don't scrutinize them more.

I feel they're delusional, entitled, to the point where they think they can be promoted to CTO and programming positions without actually coding.

My issue is, I even see woman this girl knows who are on twitter speaking hate-speach and high-fiving each other over this. They really want to stir up trouble and ruin lives.

I feel they love drama, attention and are cognitively trained by US culture to feel entitled, and use adversity and the crowd sympathy instead of bettering themselves and taking responsibility.

I feel it's boy who cried wolf, they're on twitter, and press the big red misogyny button when things get tough.

The truth is, I don't use twitter, but whenever I see one of these ladies, I associate it to the emotion of a entitled women coasting on the same old trick. It's like a nervous response. That's my honest feeling.

"The boy who cried wolf" can pose a problem one day to minorities who one day learn to actually code, who are honest, and may cause prejudice to them because of these trolls. It also hurts people who have legitimate cases of harassment.

Julia may or may not have been wronged, but the way she handles it on twitter, I feel is childish. I'm disgusted no one calls it out. Sorry for that.

That said, it's never too late to learn to program. No matter who you are. I promise you if you do your job well, the people who matter want your skill and talent and the valley will always be open to you.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

Carried forward, in a court-like environment, or throwing salvos over PR mediums?

I take it as a bad smell someone goes the PR route over a lawyer (perhaps a confidential legal threat?) to discuss things privately and settle thing amicably.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

1. What part of the article above would be considered hearsay? Aside from the screenshots, it feels the least bit gossipy.

2. Right to confront accusers? This seems extremely one-sided. No one she blames gets to defend themselves, where are the witnesses on either side?

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

The thing that surprises me is you're a CEO of security company - you don't even go into the subject of my thread. This doesn't befit you.

It's true, in USA, we respond to things emotionally, even the best of us sometimes.

Imagine, if you as a CEO of a security company acts like this, imagine what a marketer with no talent or skill does when she doesn't get what she wants? She can't lean on ability... nor reason, She leans on the, you've guessed it, the crowd.

I bet you, 9/10 times, you have better things to do than pick a fight or be on twitter because you have skills. Even if people hate you, you still can be a productive member of society. Other people only have a self-esteem boost of retweets to rely on, and they misinterpret that as career value.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

To non-US people:

In USA, we have a special sub-type of "office lady", which is the "marketer / enthusiast" twitter troll.

The issue is, in other countries, office ladies are happy to just dress professionally and do their clerical work.

In USA, we have self-esteem bubbles, an education system, a political culture that create a factory of women like this. Basically, office ladies who act like bulls, get enabled by nice-meaning people, then bite off more than they can chew.

Also in USA, understand that our english isn't to be taken literally; it infers complicated politically-charged emotions. Americans react very harshly and nit-pick blunt truths, our public discourse is not one of reflection, clarification or debate, but projecting emotion at an idea we don't feel reaffirms our view of the world.

These people are a tiny sliver of our society, but since we in USA are good people, we tend to give them benefit of the doubt. Because of the abuse by this type of women in the workplace, some Americans are associating women in distress with people like this. The boy who cried wolf.

People like this can really hurt things for actual victims of discrimination who do their job.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

The results are predictable. A marketer / evangelist on twitter that survives off validation exploits a loophole in USA's charitable, politically correct culture. She bites more than she can chew, she is copying what she sees in popular culture of an Erin Brokovich fighting her enemies.

She simply is mentally unable to admit personal fault. Why? Social media encouragement and well-meaning enablers.

The secret.ly screenshot says how she can't handle professional criticism - behaviorally reinforced by culture, twitter and social networking sites "+1" and "retweet" is more important that doing what her manager and the house wants her to do.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

> the always popular implication that people who aren't engineers don't matter

There is also the popular implication when there is a girl on twitter starting trouble again, they're not coding and trying to claim some form of discrimination, instead of developing programming skill.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

Females != Feminists

Going into a workplace with a feminist agenda is a distraction and problem waiting to happen.

Twitter Followers != Engineer

https://github.com/nrrrdcore - she didn't even have any code. She's not a prominent engineer IMO. More of a marketer / enthusiast type.

Edit: Does anyone here have proof of gender discrimination or she was a good engineer?

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

> The quality of open-source typography has massively increased in just the past few years, and it's great to see Intel making its own contribution. The number of free options we have today for well-balanced, full, multi-weight type families (not just "fonts") would have seemed impossible just four years ago.

What are some examples of the recent ones? (links are preferred, please).

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

I think sometimes something as petty as wanting an ego-trip motivates this post, more so than really caring about disadvantaged people.

I feel everyone gets a temporary jolt of validation from being voted up. However, it should be in exchanged for adding value (being insightful, interesting, useful, funny).

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

Why would he. Android is a consumer operating system that has many differences from linux on the server or desktop. Namely, it conceals the inner workings.

Forcing people to use Linux sounds antagonizing and like it'd hurt the reputation of Linux. The same way feminists / marketers think they should be CTO's and top developers with nothing but twitter followers - and how it could potentially hurt females who no axe to grind who actually love engineering.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

Please understand,

Sympathy, courtesy, favors and censorship can't substitute the effort to learn programming and build.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

I don't want to make personal examples, if you compare the look at the replies to @defunkt's twitter post, the females cheering - who even go so far as to overly call themselves feminists - have basically no engineer cred to speak for. Not on github, not on LinkedIn.

  Judging by that and the fact you throw out "feminist" like it's an insult,
  I'm going to say you've got some pretty heavy bias.

Bias? Feminists on twitter? Hypersensitivity and hysteria about sexual harassment at conferences? Spooking male engineers into special consideration just because they're girls? Geekfeminism.org being mentioned by the pycon organizer? Merit being a taboo word?

In engineering culture, we consider this disruptive behavior disruptive and call it trolling.

Our consumer culture makes everything so easy and convenient. Our compassion to woman and how nice we are to them allows some of them to take advantage. This is a case of it.

In any case, removing merit from the dictionary won't get you into an engineer position. These tricks and trolls may have worked for special treatment before, but programming will take honest, hard-work and effort.

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

What creates a hostile environment for woman is where a sector, made of predominately men is scrutinized with a hysterical "boy who cried wolf" mentality.

It's a vicious cycle.

1. First there is a tiny group of feminists, mostly consisting of marketers, call themselves coders, but if you were look them up, they're twittering and having fun more than building. They seem very happy to stir indignation.

2. Then, people in positions of power bend toward the illegitimate trolls who cried wolf. I'm talking, the word "meritocracy" being offensive by github CEO [1], python board members referring to geekfeminism.org as a charter [2] for pycon conferences.

Pack up and go home, these are the leaders, the chiefs, the alphas of engineers - and they are cowing down to politically correct trolls on twitter, who aren't even participants to the causes.

Twitter and blogs allow anyone to claim to be anything. You used to need a degree to Marketer! Now any girl with an iPhone can be one! Twitter lets anyone call themselves a programmer.

However, Github holds people accountable for actually having to program - funny how meritocracy came up as a bad word to these people!

What is really creating a hostile work environment for woman? I can tell you, men who stay silent watching this bogus stuff happen, woman with legitimate skill and talent may be cast off as a liability.

Consider this: if you are a woman, and you would let a bad joke ruin someone's life, or abuse politically correct sympathy as a female to get benefits - is that going to help your cause? If you are a leader or boss, and you let these trolls shape you - You lack backbone. I feel this is a lack of integrity, and they're not fit to lead.

I hope leaders set an example and not feed these attention trolls and call their crap out. These are woman creating a hostile environment for woman who would otherwise feel grateful to earn their way and belong.

[1]: https://twitter.com/defunkt/statuses/426104782894284800 [2]: http://jessenoller.com/blog/2012/12/7/the-code-of-conduct

rds2000

há 12 anosdiscuss

  It's a funny joke, I love the name.

  Change it.

A higher standard? How about an individual having backbone and integrity to stand firm, hold the line and not supplicate?

I feel this, "Change it.", as if you are some castrating, sky-god feels eerie. Like you are some judge of the highest moral purity, when in reality, you're the enemy of purity. You are taking an honest, organic creation and molding it for your own ability to feel powerful on the internet.

Change yourself.

Feel castrated?

edit: What really bothers me here is the "Change it.", it feels like a summary judgment. I don't think the author should be intimidated by popularity or political correctness. If he makes a joke, sometimes is best to own it. Personally, I don't find it funny, but I think it's an O.K. name and helps me remember its an app for reference purposes.

rds2000

há 13 anosdiscuss

Dan, even using english as a first language - I have a difficult time articulating this subject.

1. English

English is the more topic subject dividing engineers and programmer's from reaching their potential. These are people who are already on their path and passionate about growing themselves into programmers.

Can you imagine how we can help them? Their potential if they have localized documentation?

A story of disadvantage - imagine having an issue and being powerless to articulate yourself to a predominately english-speaking world of engineers. What about their hearts, their passions?

And this is effective, safe. Helps people. Constructive. This is great news man.

Now you see where I'm going?

2. The PC troll issue

I feel tempted to blurt out every emotion. But when a particular group is mentioned - we have to make everyone happy? Why is pycon code of conduct pulled off geekfeminism.org (http://jessenoller.com/blog/2012/12/7/the-code-of-conduct). This is sensitivity not to woman, but I feel it's creating a culture of hysteria.

Truly, I do not believe woman in the first world (I'm sorry if this offends people) are at risk of rape or sexual harassment at conferences. Most conferences do not have codes of conduct that state this because it makes you ask, "Why?". Do these people ever go outside, to starbucks, etc? Do they live in a Chapel away from vulgar language and stringent political correctness? I'm deeply sorry to offend anyone here.

But how do you even get to Pycon if you're in this feminist Cabal? Do you go around in a bubble when you're outside? Especially in SF where radical free expression is so prevalent, it's amazing how the when it gets to the workplace and conferences, women (a select few), pull what we may see as a 180. Now they're ultra-chaste, "triggered"* by humor they probably laughed out at dinners before, especially in front of more confident and boastful company.

I feel I can't talk about anything. I feel it's a sand pit meant to distract and divide. I feel like I can't express myself in the most basic ways.

* Triggered means PTSD for traumatic events in their past. So now it's not a matter of political niche. Ever study cognitive-behavioral psychology? People can link a bad memory to anything!

rds2000

há 13 anosdiscuss

This is troll under the guise of charity.

It's provocative, distracting and subverting - Introducing a politically sensitive, racially charged, artificial problem.

This will incite anger through political correctness. The cause is bogus.

Snubbing it is politically incorrect to criticize women and ethnic minorities in the west.

Non sequitur, PC trolls like this can do as much distracting as they please.

Why not bring up english? There are many people who are engineers who would benefit from localized API and developer documentation and understanding english better.

If you want discrimination in engineering - I'm surprised no one brings up english.

Edit to below: Sorry for editing this after your reply. I didn't notice.

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