No – Atlantis has not been found in northern Africa(theness.com)
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No – Atlantis has not been found in northern Africa
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Don't defend this crap as somehow being their only outlet. Creative people who want to make fiction can still do make it. People who want to present their fiction as truth should be called out as the liars they are. We've seen enough of the effects of people who spread bullshit and then pretend they "never really meant anyone to believe it" that we should not give them the slightest quarter.
Humorlessly debunking stuff is necessary when the group of people confusing fiction with reality grows.
Unfortunately there is plenty of humorless debunking to be done until humanity can safely engage in fiction without having said fiction affect policy decisions. Fiction influencing policy has been the norm throughout human history.
Unfortunately there is plenty of humorless debunking to be done until humanity can safely engage in fiction without having said fiction affect policy decisions. Fiction influencing policy has been the norm throughout human history.
I've always been happy with the hypothesis that Atlantis was a myth derived from the Minoan Eruption that destroyed Thera.
Plato may have been inspired by that eruption, but Atlantis has literally never been anything but a rather heavy-handed allegory.
s/derived/inspired/ :)
Given the history of the Mediterranean, the Minoans being the first advanced civilisation in Europe, before having their power weakened by the tsunamis generated by the collapse of the caldera at Thera, soon to be overtaken by the Mycenean Greeks, I can easily see how the myth of an arrogant advanced civilisation, humbled by the Gods and the Sea, would have made it's way into Greek thought.
Every myth seems to have some kernel of truth somewhere.
Like the Māori myths of New Zealand - Maui caught a giant fish with a hook made of his grandmother's jawbone, clubbed it to death, and boom that's where the North Island/Te Ika A Maui (The Fish of Maui) came from - possibly inspired by the fact that the North Island really looks like a stingray from above.
Or the myth of Kupe, who discovered Aotearoa/New Zealand and then led the Māori settlement of NZ - no doubt there was one or more initial explorers who returned home, and no doubt there was settlement, but archaeology describes a different timeline of migration waves compared to myth.
(My favourite undisprovable myth-from-fact theory is that the Nephilim, mentioned in Genesis, were a folk memory of the last of the Neanderthal. Totally undisprovable or provable, but I like ruminating on it. I'd pay for historical fiction with Neanderthal heroes, a dying race, leading Homo sapiens in their endless wars)
Given the history of the Mediterranean, the Minoans being the first advanced civilisation in Europe, before having their power weakened by the tsunamis generated by the collapse of the caldera at Thera, soon to be overtaken by the Mycenean Greeks, I can easily see how the myth of an arrogant advanced civilisation, humbled by the Gods and the Sea, would have made it's way into Greek thought.
Every myth seems to have some kernel of truth somewhere.
Like the Māori myths of New Zealand - Maui caught a giant fish with a hook made of his grandmother's jawbone, clubbed it to death, and boom that's where the North Island/Te Ika A Maui (The Fish of Maui) came from - possibly inspired by the fact that the North Island really looks like a stingray from above.
Or the myth of Kupe, who discovered Aotearoa/New Zealand and then led the Māori settlement of NZ - no doubt there was one or more initial explorers who returned home, and no doubt there was settlement, but archaeology describes a different timeline of migration waves compared to myth.
(My favourite undisprovable myth-from-fact theory is that the Nephilim, mentioned in Genesis, were a folk memory of the last of the Neanderthal. Totally undisprovable or provable, but I like ruminating on it. I'd pay for historical fiction with Neanderthal heroes, a dying race, leading Homo sapiens in their endless wars)
How would the Maori even know that at that time? By looking down from the top of Mount Ruapehu?
Not nearly tall enough for that.
I'll take this seriously if you point to solid evidence that Atlantis was "in Greek thought" before Plato made it up for his allegory.
Hellanicus of Mytilene, born 60 years before Plato, of whose 22 books we sadly only have fragments, wrote about Atlantis around 405 (when Plato was about 20).
For him Atlantis was the daughter of the titan Atlas. A small fragment of Hellanicus’s opus about her survives with the following line: "Poseidon coupled with Celaeno, and their son Lycus was settled by Poseidon in the Isles of the Blessed and made immortal.". "The Isles of the Blessed" would become Atlantis the geographical location in Plato's writing. The fragment was found in the Oxyrhynchus Papyri 11, 1359.
Certainly not a lot or a bullseye, but there you go.
If you permit me, I'd like to make a suggestion to you : always applying the (IMHO) fallacious rule "apparent absence of evidence is evidence of absence" makes life very drab. Letting oneself dream of utopias past or future improves creativity, and gives hope and a nice escape from the rat race. Don't spoil other people's fun with cynicism.
For him Atlantis was the daughter of the titan Atlas. A small fragment of Hellanicus’s opus about her survives with the following line: "Poseidon coupled with Celaeno, and their son Lycus was settled by Poseidon in the Isles of the Blessed and made immortal.". "The Isles of the Blessed" would become Atlantis the geographical location in Plato's writing. The fragment was found in the Oxyrhynchus Papyri 11, 1359.
Certainly not a lot or a bullseye, but there you go.
If you permit me, I'd like to make a suggestion to you : always applying the (IMHO) fallacious rule "apparent absence of evidence is evidence of absence" makes life very drab. Letting oneself dream of utopias past or future improves creativity, and gives hope and a nice escape from the rat race. Don't spoil other people's fun with cynicism.
(2018)
Of course this isn't Atlantis, but perhaps the purpose of these videos is to stimulate the imagination. Perhaps in another time these content creators would have written a fantasy/adventure novel, like Clive Cussler. Instead we have 'fringe' YouTube videos.
The format requires the theory to not be presented as fiction, but an imaginative "what if" scenario. It doesn't require unquestioning, dogmatic belief. This is where the institutional dullards go off the rails. There is a paradigm difference they can't appreciate.
Next we'll have fact check censorship asserting that the Earth is indeed round. At this point truthiness itself has become unintentionally self-parodying.
Which is the greater faux pas? Believing in an indulgent fantasy scenario out of an over eager desire to stimulate one's imagination, or humorlessly insisting that such a fantasy is worthy of debunking?