East Coast vs. West Coast Butter – What Is the Difference? (2019)(oxo.com)
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East Coast vs. West Coast Butter – What Is the Difference? (2019)
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You are assuming a stick of butter doesn't have a standard amount, which simply isn't true. Each stick is a half of a cup and is a quarter of a pound even if the dimensions of the stick are different. If you need less, there are marking to cut it, much like the markings for grams on the butter in Norway.
If I'm converting from sticks to grams, I use the above information as a guide or simply weigh it. The information to covert it is easily found online, I've done it many times - mostly, I've not lived in the US for many years yet I still want to make familiar foods.
If I'm converting from sticks to grams, I use the above information as a guide or simply weigh it. The information to covert it is easily found online, I've done it many times - mostly, I've not lived in the US for many years yet I still want to make familiar foods.
> You are assuming a stick of butter doesn't have a standard amount,
No I'm not, it's just completely unknown here (and I believe in most of the world). Don't make me look up '1 stick butter size' when I'm trying to follow your recipe..
The reason I say it's more annoying than cups (which are arguably worse because I said there's multiple, but in practice they're so close it's not likely to matter) is I suppose just that it's enough less common that I don't have 250ml in the back of my mind when I read it.
When I first came across it it was even worse, I assumed it was like 'a knob' (knife off a little 'stick' of butter from the block), which is obviously much less than it is, and didn't think to look it up as something standard but unfamiilar to me.
No I'm not, it's just completely unknown here (and I believe in most of the world). Don't make me look up '1 stick butter size' when I'm trying to follow your recipe..
The reason I say it's more annoying than cups (which are arguably worse because I said there's multiple, but in practice they're so close it's not likely to matter) is I suppose just that it's enough less common that I don't have 250ml in the back of my mind when I read it.
When I first came across it it was even worse, I assumed it was like 'a knob' (knife off a little 'stick' of butter from the block), which is obviously much less than it is, and didn't think to look it up as something standard but unfamiilar to me.
Sorry, re-reading that was really unclear. I meant '*as I said there's multiple', and that cups are common enough that I remember 250ml as good enough, whereas sticks I don't come across often enough to remember whatever it is.
To be fair, if you don't live in the US, how would you know that a stick is a standardized measure?
...is it a standardized measure?
(Out of curiosity, is it a regulated measure? Would I be prosecuted for selling a stick of butter that doesn't weigh 1/4 of a pound?)
In my country we wouldn't describe a solid in cups, just grams.
...is it a standardized measure?
(Out of curiosity, is it a regulated measure? Would I be prosecuted for selling a stick of butter that doesn't weigh 1/4 of a pound?)
In my country we wouldn't describe a solid in cups, just grams.
> if you don't live in the US, how would you know that a stick is a standardized measure?
Because you ran into it in the first place. You think cookbooks are giving out subjective instructions?
"You said stick, but I don't know what that means" is a pretty reasonable conclusion to draw when you encounter the usage. "You said stick; you must not believe that words have meanings" is something else again.
Because you ran into it in the first place. You think cookbooks are giving out subjective instructions?
"You said stick, but I don't know what that means" is a pretty reasonable conclusion to draw when you encounter the usage. "You said stick; you must not believe that words have meanings" is something else again.
As someone not from the US, a "stick" sounds as precise a quantity as a "handful", a "dollop", a "pinch", a "dash", a "splash", or a "spoonful".
An obvious analogy for the lack of precision of "stick of butter" outside of US culture is my culture's "block of butter" - typically, a block of butter in my country is 500g. But not always.
So how do you know how much butter I intended you to use if I say "add half a block of butter" in my biscuit recipe?
How big is a block of butter where you live? Do they even sell it by the block? Or is it just sticks? Rough mental calculation, there's about 4 and nearly a half sticks to the block.
I guess there's a reason humans developed and use units of measurement.
Anecdote time! When I was young I tried to follow a recipe off the Internet that specified a stick of butter. So I diligently cut a long skinny bit of butter from my block of butter, a little confused as to what difference the shape made. The biscuits were rather awful.
An obvious analogy for the lack of precision of "stick of butter" outside of US culture is my culture's "block of butter" - typically, a block of butter in my country is 500g. But not always.
So how do you know how much butter I intended you to use if I say "add half a block of butter" in my biscuit recipe?
How big is a block of butter where you live? Do they even sell it by the block? Or is it just sticks? Rough mental calculation, there's about 4 and nearly a half sticks to the block.
I guess there's a reason humans developed and use units of measurement.
Anecdote time! When I was young I tried to follow a recipe off the Internet that specified a stick of butter. So I diligently cut a long skinny bit of butter from my block of butter, a little confused as to what difference the shape made. The biscuits were rather awful.
A stick is a shape. There are various shapes of butter in the US. Almost all butter that is wrapped in soft paper and has a “stick” or rectangle shape is 8oz (227g) for 2 “sticks” or 1 stick (block) that’s basically 2 sticks put together (Kerrygold). The larger packages are a pound, 16oz (~253.6g) and usually contain 4 sticks.
There are some exceptions like Amish butter that come in a 2 pound roll (round block). Kerrygold and Finlandia butter from Europe adapt to the 8oz and 16oz standards just like a US company would adapt to UK or likely EU standards.
There are some exceptions like Amish butter that come in a 2 pound roll (round block). Kerrygold and Finlandia butter from Europe adapt to the 8oz and 16oz standards just like a US company would adapt to UK or likely EU standards.
If you said block of butter to me, I would assume 4 sticks or 1 lbs as you can buy it as such unseperated for bulk baking. See: https://www.495expressfoods.com/products/butter-salted-1lb-b...
Ah yep, so similar, but smaller than our typical block size of 500g. Although these days a lot of the fancier butter comes as 250g.
This is probably one of my country's fanciest butter makers: https://lewisroadcreamery.co.nz/collections/butter
This is probably one of my country's fanciest butter makers: https://lewisroadcreamery.co.nz/collections/butter
A dash is 1/8 teaspoon and a pinch is 1/16 teaspoon, if that comes up.
Sticks are used in Cajun (Southern) cooking quite often.
http://www.mrbsbistro.com/recipes_shrimp.php
http://www.mrbsbistro.com/recipes_shrimp.php
First time I read it I assumed it was a PC-gone-mad 'knob' of butter.
Oh yeah, I forgot about a "knob" of butter.
> To be fair, if you don't live in the US, how would you know that a stick is a standardized measure?
Cue the funny anecdote. We've been using au pairs to help with the kids. It took about 6 months for one of us to notice that when a recipe called for "1 cup" of something, one au pair would go into the cabinet and grab a random glass and use that to measure. Our glasses range from 4 oz. to 18oz, so there were tons of size disparities. We didn't notice for so long because she was usually making rice, and the ratio was the most important part, and the ratios was cups to cups.
To be clear, that disparity had just never occurred to us, and in no way did we blame her. All of us (including her) had a good laugh over it and we showed her where the measuring cups were kept.
Cue the funny anecdote. We've been using au pairs to help with the kids. It took about 6 months for one of us to notice that when a recipe called for "1 cup" of something, one au pair would go into the cabinet and grab a random glass and use that to measure. Our glasses range from 4 oz. to 18oz, so there were tons of size disparities. We didn't notice for so long because she was usually making rice, and the ratio was the most important part, and the ratios was cups to cups.
To be clear, that disparity had just never occurred to us, and in no way did we blame her. All of us (including her) had a good laugh over it and we showed her where the measuring cups were kept.
To be fair, if you don't live in the US, how would you know that a stick is a standardized measure?
I'm American. I lived in the US until around 8.5 years ago and I moved to Norway. I've had to look up conversions many times so that I could cook comfort food.
Other folks have answered the regulated measure stuff, but FWIW: Every butter maker sold sticks where I was from (Indiana) and all the sticks were the same size. Margarine brands did the same so long as they weren't sold in tubs.
I'm American. I lived in the US until around 8.5 years ago and I moved to Norway. I've had to look up conversions many times so that I could cook comfort food.
Other folks have answered the regulated measure stuff, but FWIW: Every butter maker sold sticks where I was from (Indiana) and all the sticks were the same size. Margarine brands did the same so long as they weren't sold in tubs.
It’s not a regulated measure, just traditional that each stick is half a cup and the wrapper has 8 marks so you can slice off a tablespoon easily. Each stick is 113g
Sticks are marked with tablespoon markings on their wrappers.
You never mentioned how many grams the "stick" weighs. And I have never found out. Saying it's half "a cup" is even more ridiculous. What does volume have to do with it?
Greetings from Berlin.
Greetings from Berlin.
To be fair, lots of folks here in Norway use volume measurements for things like flour, but instead of cups, folks use deciliters. For volume measurements, I find cups to be more convenient because it is easier to get a "level" measurement (though I finally found a scoop with 1dl). I always have to look up how many grams a stick of butter is, by the way - 113.4 grams is the answer.
Realistically, I wind up with 3 sets of measures: I have a scale, American cups, and a large 'norwegian' measuring cup.
Realistically, I wind up with 3 sets of measures: I have a scale, American cups, and a large 'norwegian' measuring cup.
It differs a bit based on water content, but is close enough to 100 grams that you can treat it as 100 grams for anything you are likely to use butter for.
Butter is a common ingredient in pastries, which require extreme precision for consistent results
Detecting gravitational waves requires extreme precision. Pastries are in the ordinary precision range. :)
Joking aside I suspect if you are good enough where the limiting factor in your baking is the precision of butter specified as opposed to sloppy techniques you are better off using a recipe written by a professional pastry chef for other proficient bakers. In my experience they usually write quantities in terms of weight and recommend measuring it that way.
For example Claire Saffitz calls in her Confetti Cake recipe for "3 sticks unsalted butter (12 oz / 340g), at room temperature". That would indicate that the 100g approximation is 13% low.
Joking aside I suspect if you are good enough where the limiting factor in your baking is the precision of butter specified as opposed to sloppy techniques you are better off using a recipe written by a professional pastry chef for other proficient bakers. In my experience they usually write quantities in terms of weight and recommend measuring it that way.
For example Claire Saffitz calls in her Confetti Cake recipe for "3 sticks unsalted butter (12 oz / 340g), at room temperature". That would indicate that the 100g approximation is 13% low.
I make a lot of pastry, actually. I've even gone to school for it, though I don't do it professionally now. Variable moisture content of flour is a bigger variable. I can't think of a case where someone would be using sticks of butter and 100 grams is not close enough.
If you're a commercial food manufacturer with a factory then yes. For everyone else up to "professional with a pastry shop" it's way less dire then you make it seem.
When you care about "extreme precision", you should also buy the same brand over and over again. In such case, the difference in sticks will not exist.
imperial likes to use volume or weight with units that have the same name but different values. see the ounce in weight or volume. why don’t you live it???
That's not what's going on here. American recipes (particularly in baking) traditionally use volume measurements for butter, flour and sugar rather than weight measurements. It's strictly less accurate, but also convenient if you don't have scales.
1 stick = 8oz (volume) = 227g
I love this. Google says 110gr. In this thread, people say 227 or 113. And when you buy in Europe, you are almost always going to buy 125gr, 250gr or 500gr.
The parent has this wrong. In the US the "volume" measurements are actually kind of a lie. You can write recipes in terms of "volume" but they're actually by weight.
1 stick of butter is 4oz by weight which is defined to be 0.5 cups (i.e when you write down 1 cup butter it means 8 oz).
1 stick of butter is 4oz by weight which is defined to be 0.5 cups (i.e when you write down 1 cup butter it means 8 oz).
Butter wasn't always standardized - that started in 1907, and as you can imagine, it wasn't universal for a bit of time (though how much, I don't know). Additionally, you can substitute a cup of some tub "butters" for the real butter called for in a recipe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter#:~:text=United%20States....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter#:~:text=United%20States....
God, this went round on twitter about a month ago with "cup".
Europeans: "how much is a cup?? Why can't I just use grams like I do with everything else?"
Americans: "? It's a cup, just use a measuring cup?"
E: "I tried that and my recipe came out wrong!"
Me: "I regret to inform you that US cups, UK Imperial Cups, and metric cups are different sizes..."
(If you're a non-American making US recipes, the easiest improvement you can make is buying a set of US measuring cups, which also cover things like tablespoon. These days they may be available from Alibaba or your local Amazon so you don't actually have to source them from the US)
Europeans: "how much is a cup?? Why can't I just use grams like I do with everything else?"
Americans: "? It's a cup, just use a measuring cup?"
E: "I tried that and my recipe came out wrong!"
Me: "I regret to inform you that US cups, UK Imperial Cups, and metric cups are different sizes..."
(If you're a non-American making US recipes, the easiest improvement you can make is buying a set of US measuring cups, which also cover things like tablespoon. These days they may be available from Alibaba or your local Amazon so you don't actually have to source them from the US)
A UK and metric cup are both 250 mL and a US cup is 240mL and nobody cooking is getting an accuracy better than 10mL so they are all effectively the same.
No, a UK/Imperial cup is half a pint - 568/2 = 284ml. It's the most outlying cup afaik.
A traditional US cup ('US customary') is also half a pint - but that's of course a US pint, which makes it about 237ml.
A 'US legal' cup (e.g. for FDA and nutritional labelling purposes) is 240ml. I don't know why that's shifted somewhat to metric when the US is otherwise so resistant!
Most people cooking in Europe routinely get accuracy better than 10ml, because they're using scales rather than volumetric measures in many cases that Americans do. I agree it's unlikely to matter though, unless compounded out to many cups of something. If the water content is high, it's going to matter more (and be harder to control/write in a recipe) how much boils off for example.
A traditional US cup ('US customary') is also half a pint - but that's of course a US pint, which makes it about 237ml.
A 'US legal' cup (e.g. for FDA and nutritional labelling purposes) is 240ml. I don't know why that's shifted somewhat to metric when the US is otherwise so resistant!
Most people cooking in Europe routinely get accuracy better than 10ml, because they're using scales rather than volumetric measures in many cases that Americans do. I agree it's unlikely to matter though, unless compounded out to many cups of something. If the water content is high, it's going to matter more (and be harder to control/write in a recipe) how much boils off for example.
> Me: "I regret to inform you that US cups, UK Imperial Cups, and metric cups are different sizes..."
And I regret to inform you that that should read 'each of the US cups'! ('US legal' & 'US customary' iirc.)
In practice though, sod it, it's 250ml (or maybe Imperial if that's the measuring glass I'm using anyway.. but it also has ml on) near enough, how long I let it boil's going to affect it more anyway.
And I regret to inform you that that should read 'each of the US cups'! ('US legal' & 'US customary' iirc.)
In practice though, sod it, it's 250ml (or maybe Imperial if that's the measuring glass I'm using anyway.. but it also has ml on) near enough, how long I let it boil's going to affect it more anyway.
We have (metric) sticks of butter in Australia.
They look like the West Coast shape, and is usually available as either 250g or 500g (17.6oz) sticks. Though when checking just now I see Lurpack are the odd ones out offering 400g sticks in a different shape.
We do have tubs, but it's usually a blended variety of some kind.
They look like the West Coast shape, and is usually available as either 250g or 500g (17.6oz) sticks. Though when checking just now I see Lurpack are the odd ones out offering 400g sticks in a different shape.
We do have tubs, but it's usually a blended variety of some kind.
I've gotten pretty used to non-metric measurements being weird, so I don't mind when I see "1 stick of butter" used as a measurement.
What it still is, though, is visually hilarious. When I think of "stick", I think of something you hold in your hand, wave around, or throw far away for a dog to fetch.
Now imagine that, but with butter!
What it still is, though, is visually hilarious. When I think of "stick", I think of something you hold in your hand, wave around, or throw far away for a dog to fetch.
Now imagine that, but with butter!
"Stick" means something very similar to "baguette". Do you also find it hilarious to refer to bread as a "baguette"?
For that matter, do you find "breadsticks" hilarious too?
For that matter, do you find "breadsticks" hilarious too?
But a stick is a half-cup
I live in Canada, cook a lot, and didn’t know that till today.
Your sticks of butter don't have these markings on the wrapper?
https://www.dreamstime.com/stick-butter-measurement-markings...
https://www.dreamstime.com/stick-butter-measurement-markings...
"Sticks" of butter are something a Canadian only sees when they travel to the USA or watches American television. Butter is just not obtainable that way here.
Kiwi here, nope. We do have a grams marking on some brands' blocks of butter. But it's far simpler looking, it's just a "cut here for 50g, 100g..." series of lines.
But what’s a cup?
It's a letter index for the difference between the fullest part of the chest and the lower part of the chest, measured in inches.
Two sticks.
2 gills, obviously.
236.6 ml
250 mL
All that matters is, imported from Ireland, or not.
More particularly: American dairies have to feed their cows subsidized corn (maize) or be uncompetitive, which makes the butter markedly lower quality. Some American dairies actually dye their butter yellow. (Note that "Amish Roll" butter is the same, just sold in a different shape.) Certain boutique dairies do pasture their cows, and charge a premium price, but supermarkets mostly don't stock that.
In Ireland, cows eat grass. The US also gets butter imported from Poland, which is probably OK too. Neither government massively subsidizes maize.
To get a tolerable price in the US for Irish butter, you have to buy it from Trader Joe's, which is sort of like Aldi's in Europe. (Complicated story there.) [Edit: Or Costco, looks like.] Likewise, Parmesan cheese from Parma, Italy.
For many decades, the US government was telling Americans that saturated fat, as in butter and lard, was bad for their health, causing circulatory system disease. This, it turns out, was never true, and has long been known within the US Food and Drug Administration to be untrue. The diseases were, it turns out, caused by trans fats and sugar, both of which have been massively promoted. Trans fats were mostly banned in 2017, although certain companies get waivers to continue poisoning people.
Tl;dr: eliminate unnecessary sugar, add butter and lard from Ireland or other non-US sources.
More particularly: American dairies have to feed their cows subsidized corn (maize) or be uncompetitive, which makes the butter markedly lower quality. Some American dairies actually dye their butter yellow. (Note that "Amish Roll" butter is the same, just sold in a different shape.) Certain boutique dairies do pasture their cows, and charge a premium price, but supermarkets mostly don't stock that.
In Ireland, cows eat grass. The US also gets butter imported from Poland, which is probably OK too. Neither government massively subsidizes maize.
To get a tolerable price in the US for Irish butter, you have to buy it from Trader Joe's, which is sort of like Aldi's in Europe. (Complicated story there.) [Edit: Or Costco, looks like.] Likewise, Parmesan cheese from Parma, Italy.
For many decades, the US government was telling Americans that saturated fat, as in butter and lard, was bad for their health, causing circulatory system disease. This, it turns out, was never true, and has long been known within the US Food and Drug Administration to be untrue. The diseases were, it turns out, caused by trans fats and sugar, both of which have been massively promoted. Trans fats were mostly banned in 2017, although certain companies get waivers to continue poisoning people.
Tl;dr: eliminate unnecessary sugar, add butter and lard from Ireland or other non-US sources.
Plenty of options for both imported Irish style and US grass fed butter in the US. If you choose land of lakes that’s on you.
With US butter, it is very hard to be sure. There is always the temptation to mix in cheaper, corn-fed butter.
Likewise, American "organic" corn is very often not, as farmers and distributors get to choose who certifies them, so certifiers learn not to be too picky. Or at all picky. Or, indeed, ever to decertify anybody.
Likewise, American "organic" corn is very often not, as farmers and distributors get to choose who certifies them, so certifiers learn not to be too picky. Or at all picky. Or, indeed, ever to decertify anybody.
OK, this is all well and good, and may be accurate... But this article is talking exclusively about the shape the butter is formed into. It doesn't have anything at all to do how it's made, or what ingredients it uses, or where it comes from.
Shapes don’t make as much of a difference in taste as good as cows that are healthy, producing great milk for dairy products.
Aldi itself has over 2000 locations in the US where you can buy Irish grass fed butter. Lidl has around 167 locations in the US where you can also buy Irish grass fed butter as a reasonable price.
Kerrygold is the most popular Irish grass fed butter in the US but it is not 100% grass fed. It is around 90% grass fed currently. The amount of grass feed has reduced over the years as demand for the butter has increased. The cows are fed soy and corn to supplement the grass.
As noted in your edit Costco sells grass fed butter. They have two options. One is Kerrygold and the other is their own Kirkland Signature brand. The Kirkland Signature is 95% grass fed and imported from New Zealand.
Kerrygold is the most popular Irish grass fed butter in the US but it is not 100% grass fed. It is around 90% grass fed currently. The amount of grass feed has reduced over the years as demand for the butter has increased. The cows are fed soy and corn to supplement the grass.
As noted in your edit Costco sells grass fed butter. They have two options. One is Kerrygold and the other is their own Kirkland Signature brand. The Kirkland Signature is 95% grass fed and imported from New Zealand.
New Zealand butter is good, too.
I did not know Aldi's had so many US stores. There have never been any near where I lived. Or Lidl.
I did not know Aldi's had so many US stores. There have never been any near where I lived. Or Lidl.
This come across as one of those tiresome comments about what’s subjectively better. I eagerly away an HN argument over whether blue or green is a “better” color.
And trans fats aren’t any less healthy than saturated fats. That’s another lie.
https://junkscience.com/2018/06/flashback-fear-of-margarine-...
And trans fats aren’t any less healthy than saturated fats. That’s another lie.
https://junkscience.com/2018/06/flashback-fear-of-margarine-...
Fred Kummerow discovered that trans fats cause artery disease in the 1950s. He spent his whole career working to get them banned. In 2009 the FDA finally, officially acknowledged the fact, and did nothing. In 2013 he sued the FDA and got them directed to ban it; so in 2014, producers were given 3 more years to continue shipping poison while they found other fats. Thus, they finally were banned, mostly, in 2017.
You still see on nutrition labels on food packaging, "Trans fat: 0%". Because it is banned. Because it is poison.
(Nobody went to prison for poisoning and killing millions of Americans. Just like nobody went to prison for putting lead in gasoline, to even greater effect. But shoot up five people at a bus station, and you get nationwide attention.)
You still see on nutrition labels on food packaging, "Trans fat: 0%". Because it is banned. Because it is poison.
(Nobody went to prison for poisoning and killing millions of Americans. Just like nobody went to prison for putting lead in gasoline, to even greater effect. But shoot up five people at a bus station, and you get nationwide attention.)
GP posted an article with carefully-made arguments and lots of citations. Your emotional anecdote is unconvincing in comparison and completely ignores GP's link. Do you have a better argument than using italics on the word "poison?"
GPs link:
https://junkscience.com/2018/06/flashback-fear-of-margarine-...
GPs link:
https://junkscience.com/2018/06/flashback-fear-of-margarine-...
When I replied, there was no citation.
My reply was not an anecdote: it cites actual, long delayed regulatory-agency response to actual research they were charged, by statute, to act upon in the public interest.
The other citation is from 1999. Since 1999, both EU and US have banned trans fats in foods, for reasons. Anyone may look up those reasons. (Hint: poison.)
The author of the tendentious article is personally responsible for any excess deaths caused by people believing it. The author of the spurious citation is spared immediate responsibility because trans fats are out of the food supply. No doubt they will step up to defend packing sugar into everything.
My reply was not an anecdote: it cites actual, long delayed regulatory-agency response to actual research they were charged, by statute, to act upon in the public interest.
The other citation is from 1999. Since 1999, both EU and US have banned trans fats in foods, for reasons. Anyone may look up those reasons. (Hint: poison.)
The author of the tendentious article is personally responsible for any excess deaths caused by people believing it. The author of the spurious citation is spared immediate responsibility because trans fats are out of the food supply. No doubt they will step up to defend packing sugar into everything.
Thanks, I've investigated further, and what I found was convincing. I was particularly disturbed to find that Wikipedia says Steve Milloy (behind junkscience.com, and the author of GP's source) is a right-winger who also denies climate change and second-hand smoke.
In short: I was duped.
I don't know if you care, but although your arguments pushed me to investigate further, they weren't convincing on their own. They were histrionic and based on the actions of government bodies, not the underlying science.
In short: I was duped.
I don't know if you care, but although your arguments pushed me to investigate further, they weren't convincing on their own. They were histrionic and based on the actions of government bodies, not the underlying science.
Thank you for the report.
When even the US government is moved to act on something affecting public health, it has progressed far beyond the point where we need to wonder whether it is real. Of course the EU acted earlier.
Postings on HN should not convince anyone on their own. They are a hint, ideally with a pointer to more information. In this case, searching on "Fred Kummerow" reveals all.
What I wonder now is whether Crisco, identified on the label as "fully hydrogenated palm oil", but also "trans fats: 0g", is on the up and up. Hydrogenation was the name of the process that was creating the toxic trans fats. But it is also descriptive of changing carbon double-bonds in a lipid backbone into single bonds, and terminating the spares with hydrogen atoms (hence the name). So it makes me wonder what process they are using, and whether it would work on any old oil, or only on palm oil; and if the latter, why?
When even the US government is moved to act on something affecting public health, it has progressed far beyond the point where we need to wonder whether it is real. Of course the EU acted earlier.
Postings on HN should not convince anyone on their own. They are a hint, ideally with a pointer to more information. In this case, searching on "Fred Kummerow" reveals all.
What I wonder now is whether Crisco, identified on the label as "fully hydrogenated palm oil", but also "trans fats: 0g", is on the up and up. Hydrogenation was the name of the process that was creating the toxic trans fats. But it is also descriptive of changing carbon double-bonds in a lipid backbone into single bonds, and terminating the spares with hydrogen atoms (hence the name). So it makes me wonder what process they are using, and whether it would work on any old oil, or only on palm oil; and if the latter, why?
That article is written by a right-wing lobbyist who also denies climate change, the danger of second-hand smoke, and the dangers of asbestos. It's not a reliable source.
Note that in the U.S., all cows feed primarily on grass or hay for most of their lives.
Cows get fed corn in the following situations:
- in the last few months, cows are "finished" on corn to fatten them up faster
- at large-scale farms, hay is supplemented with corn during the winter in areas where grazing is not possible due to weather (i.e., snow) to maintain a year-round supply of cows ready for slaughter
Cows get fed corn in the following situations:
- in the last few months, cows are "finished" on corn to fatten them up faster
- at large-scale farms, hay is supplemented with corn during the winter in areas where grazing is not possible due to weather (i.e., snow) to maintain a year-round supply of cows ready for slaughter
In the US, all calves are normally pastured until they mature.
Beef cattle are often there just until they are big enough for the feedlot. Then they never walk again until just before slaughter.
There is a US law that animals must walk into the slaughterhouse themselves. Sometimes they get amphetamines so they can make it.
Dairy calves are likewise pastured. So the box always says "pasture-raised", which means nothing.
Most adult dairy cows in the US are fed mostly corn. Somebody who feeds them grass and hay gets a big price premium for "grass-fed" dairy. It says so in big type on the label.
That is why most US butter is almost white: it gets color from carotenes in grass, and the dairy cows mostly don't get any.
Beef cattle are often there just until they are big enough for the feedlot. Then they never walk again until just before slaughter.
There is a US law that animals must walk into the slaughterhouse themselves. Sometimes they get amphetamines so they can make it.
Dairy calves are likewise pastured. So the box always says "pasture-raised", which means nothing.
Most adult dairy cows in the US are fed mostly corn. Somebody who feeds them grass and hay gets a big price premium for "grass-fed" dairy. It says so in big type on the label.
That is why most US butter is almost white: it gets color from carotenes in grass, and the dairy cows mostly don't get any.
That is simply wrong. Cows, including adult dairy cows, are primarily fed grass. They are only finished grain in the last few months, or supplemented grain during the winter months.
https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/do-dairy-cows-eat-food...
https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/do-dairy-cows-eat-food...
You cite propaganda from the Dairy Council?
But that does not explain why most American butter is almost white, and of poor quality, or why "grass-fed" and foreign dairy products command such a price premium. Or why dairies that do not feed their cows heavily-subsidized corn cannot compete with those that do.
But that does not explain why most American butter is almost white, and of poor quality, or why "grass-fed" and foreign dairy products command such a price premium. Or why dairies that do not feed their cows heavily-subsidized corn cannot compete with those that do.
1) Your first assertion is false. Land o' Lakes and the store-brand butter I buy (in both cases, the non-organic varieties) are as yellow in my grocery store as the expensive Irish Kerigold butter I also buy.
2) Butter is less yellow in the U.S. because of lower levels of beta carotene. Grass has higher levels of beta carotene than hay (which is cut grass, the lower levels are due to the decay of the beta carotene). https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-europ...
3) American butter is not "lower quality." It is lower fat. American butter can be used in more cooking situations than Irish butter, which is too fat for many dishes (including, for example, pizza).
4) Not all foreign dairy products command a price premium. Kerigold is less than the organic American butter in most grocery stores in Southern California. So much for that silly theory.
5) You are asserting EU propaganda without any support. Because...you won't be able to find any. More to the point, Kerigold only feeds its cows grass 312 days of the year. Let your imagination fill in the blanks as to what they feed their cows for the remaining 43 days (hint: sometimes it comes on a cob, and sometimes it rights with "boy"). https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/food-drink/kerrygold-la...
2) Butter is less yellow in the U.S. because of lower levels of beta carotene. Grass has higher levels of beta carotene than hay (which is cut grass, the lower levels are due to the decay of the beta carotene). https://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-difference-between-europ...
3) American butter is not "lower quality." It is lower fat. American butter can be used in more cooking situations than Irish butter, which is too fat for many dishes (including, for example, pizza).
4) Not all foreign dairy products command a price premium. Kerigold is less than the organic American butter in most grocery stores in Southern California. So much for that silly theory.
5) You are asserting EU propaganda without any support. Because...you won't be able to find any. More to the point, Kerigold only feeds its cows grass 312 days of the year. Let your imagination fill in the blanks as to what they feed their cows for the remaining 43 days (hint: sometimes it comes on a cob, and sometimes it rights with "boy"). https://www.irishcentral.com/culture/food-drink/kerrygold-la...
FWIW pretty much all high volume food products in the US have some sort of similar “gotcha”.
Do you have some others in mind? I have one for rice: buy California produced rice. Other rice producing parts of the country were historic cotton farming regions, which continue to have significant pesticide residue. California rice will prominently mention the location on the bag.
Edit: a quick search shows that it is arsenic contamination in question. On average California rice has about 35 percent less.
Edit: a quick search shows that it is arsenic contamination in question. On average California rice has about 35 percent less.
Also: short-grain rice is better than long-grain. And, if you must buy white rice, basmati is better for you.
It is true that many foods in the US have badly distorted value perceptions. Probably worst, today, from a public health standpoint, is that sugar is crammed into everything. It is a public-health disaster that absolutely dwarfs COVID-19, but gets no attention.
Probably listing "Fructose: 23g" on labels is the first step to fixing that.
It is true that many foods in the US have badly distorted value perceptions. Probably worst, today, from a public health standpoint, is that sugar is crammed into everything. It is a public-health disaster that absolutely dwarfs COVID-19, but gets no attention.
Probably listing "Fructose: 23g" on labels is the first step to fixing that.
+1 I’ve tried one of those “no sugar” diets and the hardest part is you need to make everything from scratch because almost every packaged food in the grocery store has added sugar.
Making from scratch turns out to be amazingly easy. I stopped using mixes, and found it really takes no more time, and the results are more gratifying.
When I do bake with sugar, I use dextrose, which in the US is sold as "corn sugar", online or from homebrew supply stores. In a pinch, light corn syrup serves. (Corn sugar has no fructose.) Sometimes you need keep 10% as brown sugar to get the druggy feeling you can only get from fructose.
When I do bake with sugar, I use dextrose, which in the US is sold as "corn sugar", online or from homebrew supply stores. In a pinch, light corn syrup serves. (Corn sugar has no fructose.) Sometimes you need keep 10% as brown sugar to get the druggy feeling you can only get from fructose.
I agree it’s more gratifying and IMO healthier. Just takes awhile and increases how much cleaning I needed to do.
You can generally get good, inexpensive Irish butter at Costco in America easily.
If you're interested about Aldi: https://www.aldireviewer.com/aldi-trader-joes-related/
meh I've lived a lot of countries and really can't tell the difference.
True, it is extremely common for Americans to be unable to discern food quality.
Yes you are correct, except I'm not American also my Grandfather and Uncles are dairy farmers.
The original article, and my comment, is about experience of American butter buyers.
It would not be surprising if there is much less difference between butter of various non-US dairies than between non-US and most US dairies.
It would not be surprising if there is much less difference between butter of various non-US dairies than between non-US and most US dairies.
>The original article, and my comment, is about experience of American butter buyers.
No, it's about how the shapes of butter sticks in the US vary by location. As joekrill said,
>OK, this is all well and good, and may be accurate... But this article is talking exclusively about the shape the butter is formed into. It doesn't have anything at all to do how it's made, or what ingredients it uses, or where it comes from.
No, it's about how the shapes of butter sticks in the US vary by location. As joekrill said,
>OK, this is all well and good, and may be accurate... But this article is talking exclusively about the shape the butter is formed into. It doesn't have anything at all to do how it's made, or what ingredients it uses, or where it comes from.
Shape is part of the experience. But it specifically does not address non-Americans.
You used a brief article that only deals with the shapes that US butter comes in to jump off on your own tangent, ranting about the evils of US butter from corn-fed cows versus allegedly superior Irish grass-fed butter. I am not the only person who has noticed this. Just stop.
Butter shape is not interesting or important.
Butter quality is important. Typically poor quality of American butter is important. To some of us. Quite a few, it seems.
You are not obliged to read about butter quality if you find it uninteresting. That same applies to many topics.
Butter quality is important. Typically poor quality of American butter is important. To some of us. Quite a few, it seems.
You are not obliged to read about butter quality if you find it uninteresting. That same applies to many topics.
In Slovakia standard size butter is 250g and dimensions are 40mm 75mm 100mm. Fat must be min. 82%
I remember when butter standard in Lithuania was 200g, period. Now we got weird sizes of 190g or 175g.. And dimensions are smaller accordingly. Always gets me mad. Just increase damn price. Luckily few manufacturers still stick to old good 200g.
Just FYI this dark pattern is called Shrinkflation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation
It's more of a pain than cups (which have numerous standards but they're basically close enough not to matter - especially if you assume it's one of the US sizes) when '1 stick butter' pops up in a recipe.