Ask HN: Should I get chickens?
I live in Sacramento CA midtown, Im zoned to have them, worried about summer heat a bit though. Definitely have room for them. Not an egg nut but seems like a good no meat alternative protein. Seems like it would be a cool thing to have our 2 year old grow up around in the city. Also Ive heard they attract rats. Anyway this seemed like the right place to ask this question.
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My wife kept bantam chickens as pets for a few years.
It was worth doing.
They turned out to be more articulate, intelligent little creatures that I gave them credit for before I started and they had a lot of personality.
I built a nice PVC coop that used a doghouse as sleeping area.
Advice:
Find out about chicken diseases, supplements and chicken doctoring before you start.
Downsides:
Chicks are cute. The whole laying eggs and hatching them is educational for the kids, but a lot of them grow up to be roosters. Roosters don’t live together peacefully and the fighting can get vicious. For us getting rid of the extras turned out to be difficult.
Chicken females have a strict hierarchy and the bottom one gets hen-pecked - it’s unfair and a bit upsetting and there’s not much you can do about it.
With the kids they turned out to be “death with training wheels”. We buried quite a few of them, so it was a good opportunity to practice and discuss death and the rituals that we have around it in a simpler context.
There are a lot of good websites and books aimed at keeping chickens at home, but they tend to have rose coloured glasses on for the most part.
It was worth doing.
They turned out to be more articulate, intelligent little creatures that I gave them credit for before I started and they had a lot of personality.
I built a nice PVC coop that used a doghouse as sleeping area.
Advice:
Find out about chicken diseases, supplements and chicken doctoring before you start.
Downsides:
Chicks are cute. The whole laying eggs and hatching them is educational for the kids, but a lot of them grow up to be roosters. Roosters don’t live together peacefully and the fighting can get vicious. For us getting rid of the extras turned out to be difficult.
Chicken females have a strict hierarchy and the bottom one gets hen-pecked - it’s unfair and a bit upsetting and there’s not much you can do about it.
With the kids they turned out to be “death with training wheels”. We buried quite a few of them, so it was a good opportunity to practice and discuss death and the rituals that we have around it in a simpler context.
There are a lot of good websites and books aimed at keeping chickens at home, but they tend to have rose coloured glasses on for the most part.
"For us getting rid of the extras turned out to be difficult."
But for millenia, for most, it has not been difficult.
You start with chickens, maybe for chicken tractors. Then you have roosters. And then you realize your agrarian fantasy is generating too much vegetative "waste". So you get a pig. In order to make it "self sustaining", you need a male. And now, you have to learn how to process whole pigs.
I'd do it, and have, in bits and pieces, but the part I really don't like is: no vacations.
But for millenia, for most, it has not been difficult.
You start with chickens, maybe for chicken tractors. Then you have roosters. And then you realize your agrarian fantasy is generating too much vegetative "waste". So you get a pig. In order to make it "self sustaining", you need a male. And now, you have to learn how to process whole pigs.
I'd do it, and have, in bits and pieces, but the part I really don't like is: no vacations.
While I can't speak to the pig part, a good feed and watering solution will allow you to go on shorter vacations no problem particularly if you have an enclosed run.
Can confirm, we’ve raised hens for about 7 years now and a good feed system (we’ve landed on rainproof containers that allow the chickens to feed at will) and a large water reservoir with drinking cups has allowed us to go on short trips with ease. For anything beyond 4 days, we have someone stop by to check water levels and remove eggs from the hen boxes.
We recently introduced a bantam rooster to our flock- he’s great and he’s really helped with the pecking order issues, but now we have to pull the eggs every 2 days at most (to avoid creating balut[0]).
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(food)
We recently introduced a bantam rooster to our flock- he’s great and he’s really helped with the pecking order issues, but now we have to pull the eggs every 2 days at most (to avoid creating balut[0]).
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(food)
So... I was raised for a while on a 3 generation compound with quite the animal menagerie, including chickens.
I can imagine a situation where the chickens are entirely confined. Ok, we never did that. For us, the roosters flew to the high branches of the quite large grapefruit trees. There they were mostly safe, and were of course expendable anyway. The hens (sometimes ducks) were locked up nightly in a rather carefully built hen house completely enclosed in a chickewire box. Maybe 20'x10'x10'. You could walk around in it no problem, along with the 10 or so chickens and the roost box.
This was on the edge of the Everglades in S. Florida. We had a variety of varmints. The varmints occasionally breached the defences. Repairs were occasionally required. Losses happened. That's what I wonder about entirely confined chickens, while granting varmints more or less unlimited time to work on the problem. What's the difference?
And there's that "recently" word lurking in my parent... we'll see what the spillover effects are.
I'm going to add that I've had a box turtle for 27 years, and my last cat lasted 16 years. And we have traveled multiple weeks multiple times a year for decades.
I am all in favor of personal enslavement to an agrarian fantasy. For many years my wife the master gardener has besieged me (the cook) with the fruit of her 5 raised beds. It took us about 4 tries to get through a summer (in AZ at 5500') without having to monitor/water the garden semi daily. We fixed that, with occasional failure. However, you have to concede significant losses if you travel around harvest season: stuff really wants to leap off the plants in a timely manner.
So... all I am saying is that this is not a simple game if it lasts for a significant part of your lifetime, if you want to travel.
I can imagine a situation where the chickens are entirely confined. Ok, we never did that. For us, the roosters flew to the high branches of the quite large grapefruit trees. There they were mostly safe, and were of course expendable anyway. The hens (sometimes ducks) were locked up nightly in a rather carefully built hen house completely enclosed in a chickewire box. Maybe 20'x10'x10'. You could walk around in it no problem, along with the 10 or so chickens and the roost box.
This was on the edge of the Everglades in S. Florida. We had a variety of varmints. The varmints occasionally breached the defences. Repairs were occasionally required. Losses happened. That's what I wonder about entirely confined chickens, while granting varmints more or less unlimited time to work on the problem. What's the difference?
And there's that "recently" word lurking in my parent... we'll see what the spillover effects are.
I'm going to add that I've had a box turtle for 27 years, and my last cat lasted 16 years. And we have traveled multiple weeks multiple times a year for decades.
I am all in favor of personal enslavement to an agrarian fantasy. For many years my wife the master gardener has besieged me (the cook) with the fruit of her 5 raised beds. It took us about 4 tries to get through a summer (in AZ at 5500') without having to monitor/water the garden semi daily. We fixed that, with occasional failure. However, you have to concede significant losses if you travel around harvest season: stuff really wants to leap off the plants in a timely manner.
So... all I am saying is that this is not a simple game if it lasts for a significant part of your lifetime, if you want to travel.
I’ve seen people hook up like the toilet tank float system with a hose on, so that when the level gets low it just fills up automatically again.
Then combine that with little nipped feeders, and at least for water they can be good for a long time.
Then combine that with little nipped feeders, and at least for water they can be good for a long time.
I've done similar things. I use 25lb dog feeders for chicken layer pellets (inside), I have an enclosed outdoor run, and I had a nipple waterer with a pretty big reservoir.
And neighbors to check in in the past, although now I have camera systems I can view live, and just ask my neighbor to stop by if something is amiss.
Overall it makes it relatively easy to leave as-needed. For me, one neighbor stop is typically going to mean I can be gone a couple of weeks, with likely no issues.
And neighbors to check in in the past, although now I have camera systems I can view live, and just ask my neighbor to stop by if something is amiss.
Overall it makes it relatively easy to leave as-needed. For me, one neighbor stop is typically going to mean I can be gone a couple of weeks, with likely no issues.
I want to echo that our experience of raising chicken and kids was also positive and educational. I was stunned at how social chickens can be. One of my kids could dress them up in capes without complaint.
I have chickens, and I've had then on and off for a long time (close to 50 years now).
Chickens don't really attract rats, the food you feed them that does. So don't feed them more than they'll eat in a few hours and let them out to scratch in your yard.
I've seen chickens chase mice and swallow them whole. And they'd do the same with a small rat. And I mean the whole flock chasing them until it's caught and consumed.
Roosters can be an issue when you have neighbors close by. They'll crow all day and even in the middle of the night, and always at the crack of dawn. And they get "cocky". They grow spurs in a few years and they will use them on you, and your kids.
My advice is you buy a few hens, year olds are a good start. If you buy chicks make sure they're sexed and know you might still get a rooster.
And, yeah, the eggs are better than store bought, and often a lot better.
Chickens don't really attract rats, the food you feed them that does. So don't feed them more than they'll eat in a few hours and let them out to scratch in your yard.
I've seen chickens chase mice and swallow them whole. And they'd do the same with a small rat. And I mean the whole flock chasing them until it's caught and consumed.
Roosters can be an issue when you have neighbors close by. They'll crow all day and even in the middle of the night, and always at the crack of dawn. And they get "cocky". They grow spurs in a few years and they will use them on you, and your kids.
My advice is you buy a few hens, year olds are a good start. If you buy chicks make sure they're sexed and know you might still get a rooster.
And, yeah, the eggs are better than store bought, and often a lot better.
> They grow spurs in a few years and they will use them on you, and your kids.
I was lucky for a few years until my most recent rooster. He's been the only one that was aggressive with the family.
I used to go out armed with a trash can lid as a shield. He wouldn't attack that, but he'd look for weaknesses in my defense.
I've never actually caught a spur, but it sure doesn't look fun.
I was lucky for a few years until my most recent rooster. He's been the only one that was aggressive with the family.
I used to go out armed with a trash can lid as a shield. He wouldn't attack that, but he'd look for weaknesses in my defense.
I've never actually caught a spur, but it sure doesn't look fun.
Get them as chicks and interact with them every day.
If you do, the chickens will actively seek you out to hang out with you.
Thier coop will need regular cleaning and everything will try to eat them so you really need a coop.
I'm not sure rats will be a problem if you keep their food in a metal container. Your biggest urban threat is likely raccoons.
Couple of things to keep in mind. You likely need to get at least 6 chicks to start as most stores will not sell in smaller quantities.
Additionally, you really don't want to end up with more than a single male. To that end DO NOT get a "straight run" of unsexed chicks. If you do, expect a bloodbath.
Straight runs tend to be what is left after the chicks that could be sexed as female have already been removed.
If you do, the chickens will actively seek you out to hang out with you.
Thier coop will need regular cleaning and everything will try to eat them so you really need a coop.
I'm not sure rats will be a problem if you keep their food in a metal container. Your biggest urban threat is likely raccoons.
Couple of things to keep in mind. You likely need to get at least 6 chicks to start as most stores will not sell in smaller quantities.
Additionally, you really don't want to end up with more than a single male. To that end DO NOT get a "straight run" of unsexed chicks. If you do, expect a bloodbath.
Straight runs tend to be what is left after the chicks that could be sexed as female have already been removed.
>> If you do, the chickens will actively seek you out to hang out with you.
My daughter tends to the chickens here and they follow her and come running when they hear and see her. They adore her. It's pretty awesome to witness that.
My daughter tends to the chickens here and they follow her and come running when they hear and see her. They adore her. It's pretty awesome to witness that.
We have 4 chickens: 3 hens, 1 rooster. We bought them as 4 "female" chicks. Unfortunately, one turned out the be a rooster. To keep the rooster from making noise during the early morning we keep them in an isolated chicken coop with an automated door that doesn't open before 8:00.
They are funny creatures. They are basically little dinosaurs, with different behavior than other home animals. They are super efficient, rarely get food poisoning, and can eat almost everything. They are interesting creatures just to look at. I would always recommend taking chickens, but please keep in mind the following:
* They do make noise. The rooster is loud. But the hens make many funny sounds as well. When they laid an egg they make (loud) cackling noises. I don't mind this, but make sure your neighbors don't mind as well.
* Roosters don't like each other. They will kill each other if they have the chance! If you buy them as chicks, be prepared that you have to get rid of the roosters if you have more than one.
* Roosters also don't like me. I usually get attacked by my rooster when I enter the chicken area. I don't mind (I'm steeling his eggs, so I understand), but some people might get scared by this behavior.
* Chickens are social animals. Always keep at least two chickens together.
* Chicken feces smell. You must clean the area often.
* Hens don't always lay eggs. They get broody now and then. During the broody they only want to sit on the eggs, and don't have much interest in anything else.
* Hens and roosters have a hate/love relation. Roosters want to fertilize the hens all day long (which they don't like). But they also take care of the hens. A rooster will take care the hens stay together, he makes sure the hens eat first, he supports the broody hens, gather all hens together during nighttime.
* In the first two years they lay eggs almost every day. But when they get older they lay fewer eggs. After a year or five they stop laying eggs.
* I suggest to buy a food-o-matic (or similar) device for feeding. These devices make sure that rats and mice cannot get to the feed.
They are funny creatures. They are basically little dinosaurs, with different behavior than other home animals. They are super efficient, rarely get food poisoning, and can eat almost everything. They are interesting creatures just to look at. I would always recommend taking chickens, but please keep in mind the following:
* They do make noise. The rooster is loud. But the hens make many funny sounds as well. When they laid an egg they make (loud) cackling noises. I don't mind this, but make sure your neighbors don't mind as well.
* Roosters don't like each other. They will kill each other if they have the chance! If you buy them as chicks, be prepared that you have to get rid of the roosters if you have more than one.
* Roosters also don't like me. I usually get attacked by my rooster when I enter the chicken area. I don't mind (I'm steeling his eggs, so I understand), but some people might get scared by this behavior.
* Chickens are social animals. Always keep at least two chickens together.
* Chicken feces smell. You must clean the area often.
* Hens don't always lay eggs. They get broody now and then. During the broody they only want to sit on the eggs, and don't have much interest in anything else.
* Hens and roosters have a hate/love relation. Roosters want to fertilize the hens all day long (which they don't like). But they also take care of the hens. A rooster will take care the hens stay together, he makes sure the hens eat first, he supports the broody hens, gather all hens together during nighttime.
* In the first two years they lay eggs almost every day. But when they get older they lay fewer eggs. After a year or five they stop laying eggs.
* I suggest to buy a food-o-matic (or similar) device for feeding. These devices make sure that rats and mice cannot get to the feed.
We have seven. Got the first five when the kids were 3, 5, and 7. We really enjoy them, but they do take work. Quality feed has gotten really expensive so be aware of the costs. We don't have an issue with rats, but we have a very secure coop.
Predators are our biggest issue. We've lost one to a coyote and have to be pretty vigilant when they are out because of the hawks in our area.
Predators are our biggest issue. We've lost one to a coyote and have to be pretty vigilant when they are out because of the hawks in our area.
I'll second the "Predators" here. I missed that in my comment but that is something they probably will experience, and it's a tough lesson for kids.
Snakes, raccoons, coyotes, bobcats, and hawks all visit us here and take their toll.
My daughter has grown up with "critters" and she still has a hard time loosing a chicken.
Snakes, raccoons, coyotes, bobcats, and hawks all visit us here and take their toll.
My daughter has grown up with "critters" and she still has a hard time loosing a chicken.
Yes, definitely! I've raised chickens for many years in the city, always 2-4 hens. You get enough eggs for yourself, and they're pretty easy even if you do some light traveling.
Some breeds are better with humans, while others rather be left alone, so if that's important, I'd recommend seeing how they are when you pick them up.
The main challenge is keeping them safe from predators, and it's a bit of stress when you're at home and think you hear them squawking and have to run out to check that they're safe.
Some breeds are better with humans, while others rather be left alone, so if that's important, I'd recommend seeing how they are when you pick them up.
The main challenge is keeping them safe from predators, and it's a bit of stress when you're at home and think you hear them squawking and have to run out to check that they're safe.
Just be aware of the noise. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of feral chickens and wild birds. People who arent expecting it can be surprised by how much noise chickens make just scratching and doing chicken things. Roosters are a whole other thing.
The 'egg song' from hens is very loud. One of our hens can give the neighbor's roosters a run for his money on sheer volume. I am very glad our coop is a decent distance from the house and away from the neighbors because of it.
Side note, if we weren't avid egg eaters, I would have gotten silkies as they are more petlike and lay a lot less. The bantam versions are good for smaller spaces but that does open up more predators that can target them. I feel comfortable with my larger hens as they can defend against most small attackers like rats (who live in fear of the ladies now), small hawks, and house cats. I agree with most of the other recommendations on getting just hens preferably all the same breed and same age as it limits the bullying among them. There are a ton of great resources out there on raising and caring for chickens. The big ones are know what predators are in your area and build/buy a coop accordingly, free range is great if you have a protector type animal (rooster, livestock dog, some goats even), otherwise plan to have a covered run or moveable run, and you will get so many eggs so planning ahead on how to deal with them is a good idea. I scramble the extras and they get fed to the dogs and back to the chickens. You can crush the eggshells in the cooked eggs for the chickens to help them recoop the calcium.
Side note, if we weren't avid egg eaters, I would have gotten silkies as they are more petlike and lay a lot less. The bantam versions are good for smaller spaces but that does open up more predators that can target them. I feel comfortable with my larger hens as they can defend against most small attackers like rats (who live in fear of the ladies now), small hawks, and house cats. I agree with most of the other recommendations on getting just hens preferably all the same breed and same age as it limits the bullying among them. There are a ton of great resources out there on raising and caring for chickens. The big ones are know what predators are in your area and build/buy a coop accordingly, free range is great if you have a protector type animal (rooster, livestock dog, some goats even), otherwise plan to have a covered run or moveable run, and you will get so many eggs so planning ahead on how to deal with them is a good idea. I scramble the extras and they get fed to the dogs and back to the chickens. You can crush the eggshells in the cooked eggs for the chickens to help them recoop the calcium.
DIY Capons are the answer to the rooster problem.
It is a skill that will give you big juicy, delicious chickens.
https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-a-capon-995596
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Have had a bunch of hens for several years now. It’s great fun and they’re pretty interesting pets. Mine roam around the backyard during the day eating grubs and, well, the lawn. At night they wander back to the coop on their own and I close the door to protect them from raccoons. Each has their own personality. Make sure to get a feeder that doesn’t provide access to critters other than your hens, eg. Grandpa’s Feeders and you won’t have rat problems.
Chickens will kill rats, which are attracted to their eggs, though to be fair I think only in cases when they have no other food. Otherwise why risk a fight with the mini dinosaurs.
Free eggs are nice but you'll have to clean after them, and they're pretty messy (probably not an issue when you only have like 5 hens).
You'll probably want to get rid of any roosters unless you want violence in the coop and eggs with some, uh, extra protein.
Free eggs are nice but you'll have to clean after them, and they're pretty messy (probably not an issue when you only have like 5 hens).
You'll probably want to get rid of any roosters unless you want violence in the coop and eggs with some, uh, extra protein.
We had some chickens last year (until the landlord dropped the boom on them.) We got some fertile eggs from a guy on craigslist and a few live chicks from a lady in Mill Valley, and raised them. It was a lot of work, and a lot of fun.
#1 take-away: Raising chickens is the art and science of chicken shit management.
If you can manage the shit (literally and emotionally) then it's a blast.
They poop. Everywhere. All the time.
#1 take-away: Raising chickens is the art and science of chicken shit management.
If you can manage the shit (literally and emotionally) then it's a blast.
They poop. Everywhere. All the time.
If you have the room for them I'd say go for it, we had chickens when I was a kid and let them roam around the garden during the day.
A piece of advice people seem to not know or not think about - rats will actively attack chickens. When making somewhere for them to sleep at night make sure you take rats in to account. They will dig under pen walls and get in to the hutch if given half a chance.
A piece of advice people seem to not know or not think about - rats will actively attack chickens. When making somewhere for them to sleep at night make sure you take rats in to account. They will dig under pen walls and get in to the hutch if given half a chance.
We have had chickens for over 10 years. They are mean little dinosaurs that peck the weakest hen to death on a regular basis. So you have to keep replenishing your stock. We enjoy the fresh eggs. My wife and kids enjoy them as pets, so they get upset when one is killed. We have lost a few to local dogs that get loose sometimes and come hunting them. I am not really a bird person so I don't get attached to them. We have never had rats. We have had hawks try to break into their hen house. We have had foxes try to get into the hen house. They create a lot of waste that needs cleaned so get a good hen house that is easy to clean.
Unless you plan to invest extensive measures to keep rats away, I advise against it. My suburb in Oregon has been dealing with rat problems for several years now bc of poorly managed chicken coops in private residences. New laws likely coming soon.
They're better pets than most caged birds, and 4 or 5 chickens will provide an abundance of eggs for a family for most of the year. They can handle worse than CA heat and worse than your winters, too; with very minimal shelter.
On related note it seems there is no rooster breed that doesn't crow, I'd have expected they modified one by now.
Chicken food is expensive in the city pet stores. Feed-egg you are going to be paying at least 5$ a dozen maybe more because they don’t last much in the winter but still eat
We kept chickens at our last house (Austin, TX area) for about 5 years. That's the first time I had the "ah-ha!" experience of "omigosh - I've been eating plastic all these years!" I almost pulled the trigger several times to get a chicken tractor, but we just kept them in a coop I made.
You'll definitely experience attrition - whether through dogs, varmints or old age. Case in point - our dog at the time (a wonderful, sweet Lab) thought he was supposed to kill them. Our youngest son caught him in the act one day and "gave him a lecture" and he never killed again. Still, we had one taken by a hawk, another one mauled (and ultimately killed) by a 'possum. They also attracted other critters like racoons, although to my knowledge, they never killed any of our chickens.
TL;DR - IMO, it's actually great for the kids, and you'll never want to go back to eating industrial chicken farm eggs again.
You'll definitely experience attrition - whether through dogs, varmints or old age. Case in point - our dog at the time (a wonderful, sweet Lab) thought he was supposed to kill them. Our youngest son caught him in the act one day and "gave him a lecture" and he never killed again. Still, we had one taken by a hawk, another one mauled (and ultimately killed) by a 'possum. They also attracted other critters like racoons, although to my knowledge, they never killed any of our chickens.
TL;DR - IMO, it's actually great for the kids, and you'll never want to go back to eating industrial chicken farm eggs again.
Do so for the experience, as the costs get evened out by the expense of feeding them (unless you have access to free feed).
Would you be able to create a coop? How will you ensure they don't get sick and die which is common with non-farm chickens.
About building a coup: it doesn’t have to be rocket science. Especially not if you are doing something small.
Lots of online plans, e.g.
https://morningchores.com/chicken-coop-plans/#free-plans
Ours was something like this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180118072607/http://www.freshe...
A wood frame base. A PVC frame on top of it. Plastic netting covering it all.
Sleeping quarters inside was a small wooden doghouse (with liftable roof) that had comfortable roosting beams attached inside.
Newspaper on floor of doghouse to replace every once in a while to clean.
Lots of online plans, e.g.
https://morningchores.com/chicken-coop-plans/#free-plans
Ours was something like this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180118072607/http://www.freshe...
A wood frame base. A PVC frame on top of it. Plastic netting covering it all.
Sleeping quarters inside was a small wooden doghouse (with liftable roof) that had comfortable roosting beams attached inside.
Newspaper on floor of doghouse to replace every once in a while to clean.
Of course you should get chickens, but what on earth leads you to believe this is the right place to ask about it?
The principle on HN is intellectual curiosity. Almost any discussion can gratify that if it's sufficiently uncorrelated with other topics.
(Edit: but this one is already a bit correlated with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31059524)
(Edit 2: also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31058636. Is this Chicken Day?)
(Edit: but this one is already a bit correlated with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31059524)
(Edit 2: also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31058636. Is this Chicken Day?)
Is this Chicken Day?
In some cultures, yes. Children re-enact the traditional Great Unhatched Chicken Hunt, etc.
In some cultures, yes. Children re-enact the traditional Great Unhatched Chicken Hunt, etc.
Nonetheless, I’m glad they did ask. Learning a lot about chickens now.
+1 thanks to OP for asking the question. Having a lot of fun reading through the responses
Get them. Summer heat won't be a problem, make sure they have water and shade. How do they attract rats? Droppings? They eat anything which means less food for rats. They can eat mice.
No.
If you want a pet, get a puppy.
If you want eggs, go to the supermarket.
If you want a pet, get a puppy.
If you want eggs, go to the supermarket.