A new Oracle Solaris Common Build Environment (CBE) release(blogs.oracle.com)
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A new Oracle Solaris Common Build Environment (CBE) release
https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/announcing-a-new-version-of-our-oracle-solaris-environment-for-developers
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I suppose they are looking for people who had not previously stuck their hand in the lawnmower.
I was looking up the Sparc S8 mentioned in the article and the first discussion that came up is quickly derailed due to worrying about copyright: https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/sparclinux/patch/202511...
Who's the target audience for that announcement?
a. Existing customers already got their hands chopped, their prices raised, or their lawyers poked. They're stuck with an abusive, litigious, opaque vendor and will migrate out when they can. Many are stuck.
b. Prospective customers must have some compatibility need or they'd look elsewhere.
c. Developers won't be fooled so rule them out :)
a. Existing customers already got their hands chopped, their prices raised, or their lawyers poked. They're stuck with an abusive, litigious, opaque vendor and will migrate out when they can. Many are stuck.
b. Prospective customers must have some compatibility need or they'd look elsewhere.
c. Developers won't be fooled so rule them out :)
"You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2308s
Start at 33:02 for full rant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2308s
Start at 33:02 for full rant.
I wonder where Solaris is still actively being deployed and used.
I think that OpenIndiana is where those with general interest in Solaris on x86_64 should go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana
SmartOS, for example, is a more specialized application of the scions of OpenSolaris.
Here is a list of other distros that originated from the Illumos efforts after OpenSolaris was terminated:
-DilOS, with Debian package manager (dpkg + apt) and virtualization support, available for x86-64 and SPARC.
-NexentaStor, distribution optimized for virtualization, storage area networks, network-attached storage, and iSCSI or Fibre Channel applications employing the ZFS file system.
-OmniOS Community Edition, takes a minimalist approach suitable for server use.
-OpenIndiana, a distribution that is a continuation and fork in the spirit of the OpenSolaris operating system.
-SmartOS, a distribution for cloud computing with Kernel-based Virtual Machine integration.
-Helios, a distribution powering the Oxide Computer Rack.
-Tribblix, retro style distribution with modern components, available for x86-64 and SPARC.
-v9os, a server-only, IPS-based minimal SPARC distribution.
-XStreamOS, a distribution for infrastructure, cloud, and web development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos#Distributions
Edit: From this blog entry, this is suspicious: "the committed support for Oracle Solaris until at least 2037" - does Solaris have a 2038 problem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana
SmartOS, for example, is a more specialized application of the scions of OpenSolaris.
Here is a list of other distros that originated from the Illumos efforts after OpenSolaris was terminated:
-DilOS, with Debian package manager (dpkg + apt) and virtualization support, available for x86-64 and SPARC.
-NexentaStor, distribution optimized for virtualization, storage area networks, network-attached storage, and iSCSI or Fibre Channel applications employing the ZFS file system.
-OmniOS Community Edition, takes a minimalist approach suitable for server use.
-OpenIndiana, a distribution that is a continuation and fork in the spirit of the OpenSolaris operating system.
-SmartOS, a distribution for cloud computing with Kernel-based Virtual Machine integration.
-Helios, a distribution powering the Oxide Computer Rack.
-Tribblix, retro style distribution with modern components, available for x86-64 and SPARC.
-v9os, a server-only, IPS-based minimal SPARC distribution.
-XStreamOS, a distribution for infrastructure, cloud, and web development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos#Distributions
Edit: From this blog entry, this is suspicious: "the committed support for Oracle Solaris until at least 2037" - does Solaris have a 2038 problem?
No 2037 problem. That's just 25 years after they killed the product.
As a former SUN sysadmin/netadmin (from SunOS 4.1.4 days), I vaguely remember the Solaris releases after 2.5.1, maybe to another re-version/branding called Solaris 7, maybe? And then not paying any attention after Oracle absorbed it. I was honestly surprised enough by this headline to click TFA, simply because I did not think Solaris even existed anymore.
>I was honestly surprised enough by this headline to click TFA, simply because I did not think Solaris even existed anymore.
Oracle would never give up the opportunity to continue milking customers until they're comletely dry.
They did kill all future releases and blew up the SPARC roadmap. They also fired everyone working on new features and releases but kept enough of a skeleton crew to charge legacy customers outrageous support fees.
But for all practical intents and purposes, it's dead. One guy releasing things like "ls -sh now actually shows human readable output" being highlighted as a new feature kind of tells you everything you need to know.
Oracle would never give up the opportunity to continue milking customers until they're comletely dry.
They did kill all future releases and blew up the SPARC roadmap. They also fired everyone working on new features and releases but kept enough of a skeleton crew to charge legacy customers outrageous support fees.
But for all practical intents and purposes, it's dead. One guy releasing things like "ls -sh now actually shows human readable output" being highlighted as a new feature kind of tells you everything you need to know.
it's mostly OmniOS/SmartOS and other Illumos (descendant of OpenSolaris) distributions. All the Solaris 11 deployments i was aware of in mid-late 2010s are now either migrated to some sort of container setup of running on OmniOS.
A few places, Fujitsu also has Solaris servers, and if you care about security, Solaris SPARC is the only production UNIX with hardware memory tagging in active use since 2015.
I recently saw it on a big European bank. The Oracle version.
An of course Oxide is still very active in developing the open source version. They develop upstream first.
An of course Oxide is still very active in developing the open source version. They develop upstream first.
One of Australia's bigger universities still had a Solaris server 15 years ago - no idea if it's still in use though.
My employer uses ZFS under AndrewFS (aka AFS) and I would bet dollars to donuts that the OS is Solaris.
Solaris proper, not Illumos?
Either way, SPARC and the entire family seem to be entirely dead in the grand scheme of things. I don't know why anyone would develop for this platform.
Solaris and Illumos are available on x86
But illumos doesn't run on sparc... granted I don't have the hardware, but if I did, it would be nice if I could use illumos.
Tribblix does, which is based on illumos - I have a V210 I installed it on, not too long ago...
Nope.
Oracle SPARC S7, T8, and Fujitsu SPARC M12 still supported
Oracle SPARC S7, T8, and Fujitsu SPARC M12 still supported
supported sure but its an ancient dying platform. sparc was discontinued almost 10 years ago.
Oracle generated $3b in revenue from these systems last year.
I think Oxide Computer uses it.
Illumos/OpenSolaris etc are great and install about as easily as FreeBSD, on desktop and server systems with Ethernet. Other stuff like WiFi etc is not as well supported.
It’s still my favorite OS, if it fits what I need it for.
It’s still my favorite OS, if it fits what I need it for.
Started using Solaris 7 in college when Sun made it available for free. All you had to do was fill out a web form! I absolutely loved it. To this day it remains my favorite OS to use. I love macOS and its ease of use (plus its Unix-ish support) but there's something about Solaris that always made me feel like I was doing "real" work.
What are your needs that it would fit? Oracle have you by the database?
It remains one of my favourite UNIX as well, back in the day I mused even to buy one of those Toshiba that came with Solaris.
Other than a others like Irix, QNX or NeXTSTEP, I am not picky in what form UNIX/POSIX gets made available.
Other than a others like Irix, QNX or NeXTSTEP, I am not picky in what form UNIX/POSIX gets made available.
I think I'd rather use hpux than deal with oracle
Hpux died on December 31, 2025
Mature Software Product Support without Sustaining Engineering through at least 31-Dec-2028
Apparently, it's out of support the same way RHEL 6 is out of support.
Apparently, it's out of support the same way RHEL 6 is out of support.
I have not touched anything related to Oracle for as long as I remember.
"We're about to take a bath on these datacenters, do we have any other viable lines of business left?"
The Oracle business model is to rope you into a contract, set you up for failure, ignore you until you violate a license agreement, then sue you and rope you into another contract to avoid the lawsuit. If you're an Oracle customer, prepare to get sued... for something... anything really.
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