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93po

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93po
·3 дня назад·discuss
Rent-seeking can be explained in a few different ways, but one of them is "extracting value without creating much new value" which is exactly what a lot of landlords do. Buy a house, rent it for more than the mortgage, and do as little work as possible in the process. This the renting experience for (I'd guess) 95% of people.

If someone buys housing primarily because they have access to capital and credit that renters do not, then charges more than the carrying cost while minimizing maintenance and labor, they are extracting value from ownership of a scarce necessity. The value they capture comes less from producing something new and more from controlling access to housing. This is rent-seeking.

It doesn't mean all landlords are rent seeking, but it's not accurate to say the two have nothing to do two each other, and that it isn't the net effect or intention in almost all cases.

"And we all "profit off of others' labor" when we buy things."

How exactly do I generate a profit when I buy a hairbrush? That's not how profit works. That hairbrush would presumably cost the same to me whether the profits of the company that made it to the owner or the laborer. Between me and the retailer there is a fair exchange of value. Between the laborer and factory owner who made the hairbrush there isn't when he sells the hairbrush at a profit and that profit doesn't return to the laborer. He is extracting the full value of that labor for himself while having done no work in making that hairbrush.

Also let's say buying a hairbrush was unethical - that's why the adage goes that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. But we don't deserve to die or suffer because we're forced into it.

"According to them only retired people are allowed to live off investment income."

That's not what they're saying. They said "no one should have anything other than labor as their main income until they retire" - which could have probably been better worded as "the income you make in your life should come from your labor, not the labor of others".
93po
·3 дня назад·discuss
I'd settle for corporate jail time. No more profiting off illegal activity when the fine is less than profit. Nope, corporate jail. All operations have to stop for your sentence. No sales, no product development, no operations. Maybe an outside team of accountants can be allowed to run your books. This would effectively be a death sentence for many companies, but at least it mirrors the experience humans have to endure - loss of job, family loss of income, loss of ability to get future employment, etc.
93po
·9 дней назад·discuss
They're saying you should be compensated and make income for the time it took you to form the business and hire employees. You shouldn't (in their theory) then continue to earn income off the labor of the people you hired - the income they generate from their labor belongs to the laborer. You can also continue to make a salary from the business in exchange for the direct labor you do - management, accounting, whatever else. But if you stop working for 5 years and retire to a beach, you shouldn't be extracting continued income from the workers while you do nothing.

Investing as people think about it only exists because people who invest expect value from the thing they invest in. That value only exists because of a mixture of current and future expected income from the business. If the business itself doesn't generate income for people who aren't doing the actual labor, there's no reason to invest unless you have a personal interest in the continuation of the business, i.e. you're an employee whose income depends on that job. In this scenario you'd have employee-owned businesses.

Obviously this raises the question of where funding comes for new innovation and growth (public investment banks, worker cooperative financing, government grants), but then it goes down a rabbit hole about alternatives to capitalism.
93po
·9 дней назад·discuss
What if you dump toxic waste into a river to make money, but volunteer 30-40 hours a week? Does it make the dumping less unethical? The point isn't about doing labor, it's about not profiting off of other's labor or rent-seeking.
93po
·9 дней назад·discuss
I think they could have worded it better. I think they were saying that profiting from the labor of others is unethical. Using robots isn't unethical because you're not profiting from something that needs the income for itself. And it isn't really "working". Working requires expenditure of limited time and resources, which robots either of unlimited of, or is provided by the owner.
93po
·9 дней назад·discuss
Any ballparks of what the hourly rate is you're aiming for? Sometimes with these international remote jobs it's hard to tell if it's a livable wage in the US.
93po
·18 дней назад·discuss
My thought on this is that it's basically not legal to protect your home/family with force because of this. It's impossible to know if someone breaking in is a cop or not, and at 3AM with glass breaking and a group of people claiming to be cops, but aren't, how are you supposed to know? You basically never can. So either you risk going to prison for the rest of your life when it's actually a cop, or you do absolutely nothing and let your family get harmed/your home burgled.
93po
·21 день назад·discuss
This exactly. You need to mow and leaf blow and weed and edge lawns. You need to get transported in a car from location to location. You need hands to operate all these tools. And arms. And given landscaping, likely legs. You need to move bags of mulch. Fitting in human environments and using human tools is a huge thing for areas of work and life where it doesn't make sense to move a 2000 pound robotic arm around from place to place.

Dishes, laundry, house cleaning, cooking, food prep, organization, lawn work, car repair, home repair, etc etc etc. Expecting purpose built robots for every single task seems ridiculous.
93po
·в прошлом месяце·discuss
probably less by the time it gets into the evidence locker
93po
·в прошлом месяце·discuss
> once the investigators start asking you about it you have to lie to them

You literally don't, that's what the fifth amendment is for

there's a large lack of creativity in these comments. pay for a deer lease, go hunting, don't bring phone, bury gold somewhere random in thousands of acres of land deep enough metal detectors won't find it, kill deer, go home. repeat 3x a year and it's both not suspicious at all but also basically impossible for others to find the gold at that point even if they suspect.
93po
·в прошлом месяце·discuss
How much did people on the board benefit from OpenAI going for-profit? Either directly by owning shares of the new for-profit, or knowing they eventually would, or by business connections to the new for-profit entity? I imagine most or all of them.
93po
·в прошлом месяце·discuss
A non-profit should act in its own individual best interest. If I had a non-profit for sheltering animals and one contractor told me it would cost a million dollars to build a new shelter, and another contractor, conveniently largely owned and controlled by me, said the same shelter would cost $20 million, don't you think there's a problem if you go with the $20 million option? I imagine this scenario is highly illegal.
93po
·в прошлом месяце·discuss
> he knew that his actions were going to be investigated

I disagree - my take when I first read this was that this was likely a pervasive thing that senior people all did, and they all knew about it. This guy pissed off the wrong person and so they took him down. Same for the lying about credentials - I am sure everyone is like "hey Jim, did you want to apply for that promotion?" with the response of "I can't because I didn't serve long enough", and the final reply of "oh just make up the numbers, everyone does and they don't check".
93po
·2 месяца назад·discuss
worse than that is the $60 million sale price, which was comically and absurdly low. Elon himself said he was willing to buy it for significantly more than that and the fact that it wasn't able to go to the highest bidder just shows that it was bullshit
93po
·2 месяца назад·discuss
I think it's commentary on capitalism, not on a company acting out of the ordinary.
93po
·2 месяца назад·discuss
However, busses do tremendously greater wear and damage to roads than cars, and if everyone used busses exclusively the cost of road maintenance and repair would likely go up.

I'd also argue we'd need the same amount of roads, but those roads (mostly highways) could be smaller/fewer lanes.
93po
·3 месяца назад·discuss
GoatseAI - the type of open that OpenAI should have been from the start
93po
·3 месяца назад·discuss
let's not forget that calling copyright infringement theft is hyperbole, and the claim that AI is even infringing is also dubious at best, and that the concept of intellectual property at all is also ethically dubious
93po
·3 месяца назад·discuss
I don't see any evidence that Elon's brain is "going" and in fact he's literally more successful than ever - and more than almost anyone in history. Which isn't me trying to kiss his ass but rather just a statement of facts that anyone can see by looking at the net worth scoreboard. If we saw any evidence of senility or brain rot or whatever people want to accuse him of, then sure, maybe there can be room for "maybe Elon is starting to make truly idiotic business decisions".

I do agree wealth does cause brain rot and even the people trying to be most self-aware about it still fall victim to their bubbles and egos. I think Elon shows this plenty is many aspects of his life, but business is not one of them.
93po
·3 месяца назад·discuss
My argument isn't that I have insider information or even any meaningful knowledge or experience with literally billion dollar acquisitions and investments. My argument is that you don't either, and almost no one does, and Elon doesn't really have a track record of making decisions that have no explanation behind them - even if that basis is sometimes ideological rather than profit maximizing (buying twitter).

Elon is problematic in many ways and despite the cool things his companies do, I think he is also causing harm. However, he is not an idiot, he is very business savvy, he does things for real reasons, and if you're going to speculate that he's being an idiot and making a stupid decision, then I think it needs an argument of substance that actually understands the factors at play in spending billions of dollars on buying a company. Which I don't think either of us are equipped to provide.

Saying "this doesn't make sense" is basically an admission that it isn't understood, rather than evidence that Elon is being an idiot.