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Ask HN: Should I sign a pay cut agreement?

30 points·by folivore·3 года назад·66 comments

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folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Yeah, I had been wanting a good paid search engine for ages since I didn’t like being google’s product or watching as their search got worse for my use cases over time. I pay for Kagi now and it’s really worth it for me, specially considering customizations you can add to improve the experience.

I did use GSuite for my own email/cloud storage setup though have since moved to other providers to try to mitigate risk, eg if Google doesn’t like me for literally any reason, they could disable my account and I’d lose access to mail, files, etc.

I’ll often pay for products I use a lot even though I don’t get that much value out, eg Discord/Reddit, though those two companies seem to recently have changed course somewhat so I’ve stopped paying for them. It was mostly to support a product I cared about.

A lot of people aren’t fortunate enough to be able to pay for stuff, which I was once not, and realize that it’s not always so simple of a problem.

In this case, though, if you have access to the Internet and a semi-okay device, you can achieve a lot
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
There is a lot of value in learning things the hard way vs the easy way if there is no real significant harm caused, I think. In many cases you learn more or gain a deeper understanding/respect for the topic, which is worth something in its own
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
I get that losing access to things you got used to sucks. At the same time, IMO, this post comes across quite entitled and whiny. Nobody owes you anything, specially not free hosting and/or server time forever. That stuff isn’t cheap and isn’t easy to manage, and they’re paying people and infra on what I imagine isn’t a great return.

So, free users are sad because it’s not the free they want it to be, except the free they want is essentially free everything forever. That doesn’t really work.

Registering a whole unique domain and taking the time to make this really rubs me the wrong way. If you dislike it, move on, maybe tell your friends.

I’ll also say that if something means so much to you that you paid for a domain but didn’t pay for the thing you paid for the domain to complain about, why didn’t you pay for the thing you complain about?

If something means something to you, adds value to your life, or saves you time, maybe it’s worth considering paying for it if the value provided is worth the cost. Demanding free stuff is entitled and silly and needs to stop.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
See you later alligator!
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
This genuinely seems useful. I’ll give it a shot. Nice!
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Could you disable the favicon changing all the time? It's crazy annoying
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
I’d be interested in proof of me fishing for sympathy here. Does stating a situation count as fishing? I’ve made no requests for help beyond info around the situation. Sometimes people are human and need to ask more experienced people how they handled things

Instead, I get spam from a throwaway with an equally abusive comment history.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Leadership took a 15% pay cut a bit before ours was announced. They said it was to avoid impacting employees but then they did anyway, so my confidence in their promises is quite low.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
It's not quite that simple.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
How did the pay cut influence your quality of life during those months?
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Equity would definitely soften the blow. But yeah, nothing for us.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
I am unsure if 10% cut would be covered by dropping an office. The area is very affluent and exclusive. Note that it is a pretty small company.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
People here earn enough for the food to not be on their radar. I guess the office/food is symbolic, though I do understand real estate is hard to get rid of. They could rather have taken on the debt and kept good people (pure speculation, I have no idea).

It's hard to Guage overall morale since we're split into segregated teams per project so there isn't much intersection outside of the dead Slack server.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
This is the case. There is a safety net with refusing to sign so it's a choice between betting on the company or winging it and hope they keep to their end of the law. If they fire me for not agreeing there is a body that handles such cases, since that's effectively unfair dismissal and you get paid out N months too.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
One year is a long time. Did they give raises at that point too?
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Did those companies perhaps recover or did it go further south?
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Thank you. I'm not bothered about the company, though I do like the employees and the work. I'm trying to find the best way forward mid-long term for me. The company won't think twice about letting me go. I have options for jobs that I am reasonably confident about. They're becoming more attractive over time.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Hmm. Where did that end up? Did the pay cuts alleviate over time or did those people get laid off when the company did worse?
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Thanks. That's a new way of looking at it for me. No form of compensation was offered other than "wait and see." So I don't feel confident that they will make up for it if things do get better. I don't want to suffer through a pay cut and then be laid off if they do worse either.

I have some options in terms of contacts. Perhaps it's a good idea to reach out.
folivore
·3 года назад·discuss
Fortunately I am not employed at-will but I do honestly think that answer is genuine.