>That's unnecessary, unhelpful, and just escalates the debate immediately.
Stating facts about the fact that everyone is losing control of their PC's because of their stupid consumer behavior is not in any way inflammatory.
Why would you give away your basic rights to own and control your own PC and have it coded honestly unless you were irrational?
There are dire implications for privacy and human rights if you believe in "cloud computing" which I refer to as "stolen software as a service"
SaaS can only exist in a world where the public is irrational, you are building turnkey dictatorship infrastructure, if the world ever goes south because every piece of software can monitor and spy on everything you do and is broadcast to foreign companies and governments, you are naively trusting these foreign entities have your best interests in mind.
I'd say that qualifies the word "stupid" in my post. You've just allowed every big company to spy on you permanently and helped wipe out privacy for the rest by producing perverse market incentives for software that locks down our devices and removes our freedom and privacy.
MMO's were a scam, they were just rebranded PC RPG's, you don't seem to get you are the gullible one here.
If you buy ANY piece of software in an internet enabled world that you don't own or ontrol, you have just broadcast to the entire corporate world that you are gullible. They will try to client-server EVERY game and EVERY piece of software, what the hell do you think mobile is?
Steam is by definition an irrational piece of corporate malware that shouldn't exist, up until 2004 we were getting complete local applications, or honestly coded PC games. That is why as you go backwards in time before internet penetration reached the computer illiterate, we had level editors, server exe's and dedicated servers embedded inside the main game exe.
Descent 3 came with server executable. MMO's are just RPG's where the server exe isn't given to you. You can see this "MMO" racing game you can play completely "offline" proving that mmo's were a scam. Need for speed world was just a fork of most wanted and rewritten to be client server, AKA a scam. Think of this, you can run Need for speed world entirely from your PC without monthly fee or micro-transactions, then that means that paying a monthly fee for software you don't own is irrational.
Anytime you see a login screen on a piece of game or other software you're seeing stolen software buddy.
You don't get they've already won, the battle was won between 1997 and 2004.
Ultima online and everquest were trial balloons to undermine software ownership on the PC, they are tests of your gullibility to literally steal PC RPG's out from under you.
I know you find this hard to believe, but see the science, I can tell you the facts and you won't reason to the right conclusion, see the science:
You don't get that mmo's are just rebranded PC RPG's, they are a fake genre invented to convince gullible people like you to give up game ownership.
Someone who was rational would have demanded the server exe and the ability to own ultima online, you could have had the same "MMO" for a fixed price, no montlhy fee and the server EXE.
Client-server is the same as INCOMPLETE SOFTWARE, why would you buy a game or operating system where the second CD/DVD needs a foreign computer with the "key disc" that disables your software remotely? You don't get that the true purpose of "MMO's" was to move undermine software ownership for every piece of software on the planet, you don't get if you accept client-server for one piece of software, you accept it for ALL SOFTWARE.
Because all software is, is a list of binary numbers, instructions, if you are not given a complete set of instructions to run the entire APP locally you are being conned because it won't stop at RPG's, that is how we ended up with "client server" windows 10, no one should want an operating system, or Microsoft office, where part of the applications files is held hostage on some remote server, it's the same as buying incomplete software, or software with a second DVD missing that they mysteriously kept in their office.
You and the rest of mankind are gullible to an insane degree.
You don't get the agenda, so I'll have to spell it out for you.
Imagine we have a 5 PC lan, and the person in the middle of the network is the programmer and he is making games, mainly PC RPG's, that means if he makes a "client server" rpg and you buy his idea "software as a service" he will do that to EVERY FUTURE PIECE OF SOFTWARE to enrich himself, he is now OWNER of that 5 PC network you dolt, including the operating system, including word processor. EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF SOFTWARE CAN BE MADE CLIENT SERVER IN A NETWORKED WORLD.
That means the death of software ownership and personal privacy on your PC.
AKA it's literally stealing the software, there is NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to go back to local applications if you buy ANY client-server software.
For 99% of cases, client server anything, whether that is an operating system, game or word processor is irrational.
Because they can now destroy the software you paid for. No one who was rational would buy software with a self-destruct button on it that could be disabled remotely.
You don't grasp that most of us hardware gamers in the 90's were expecting PC RPG' to continue with dedicated servers, and saw the mmo supporting half of the nerd kingdom as clueless and dumb, you are the reason why STEAM exists, steam can only exist in a world where the average game buyer is irrational and doesn't get the corporate agenda.
They are locking the PC down, aka no more general computing, they want to turn it into a dumb terminal, future cpu's wont run older versions of windows OS.
They are trying to kill the idea of local apps and exe's, aka they can finally turn "files" into property by using active directory and NTFS for the entire internet.
You all seem clueless as to the last 20 years of software theft in the game industry.
Everyone 20 year ago on slashdot was worried about software and hardware drm, windows 10 is the first version of windows where they are trying to turn the PC into a mobile locked down platform because of the success of walled gardens like steam, world of warcraft, and the appstores like apple/google play.
The level of stupid on hacker news is disturbing, we used to get complete PC games in the 90's and early 2000's before the public fell for mmo scam of the late 90's which put PC gaming on the path of massive game theft.
Valve is basically a criminal game stealing empire by infecting games with client-server code. The whole industry wants to take us to mainframe dumb client computing.
Stating facts about the fact that everyone is losing control of their PC's because of their stupid consumer behavior is not in any way inflammatory.
Why would you give away your basic rights to own and control your own PC and have it coded honestly unless you were irrational?
There are dire implications for privacy and human rights if you believe in "cloud computing" which I refer to as "stolen software as a service"
SaaS can only exist in a world where the public is irrational, you are building turnkey dictatorship infrastructure, if the world ever goes south because every piece of software can monitor and spy on everything you do and is broadcast to foreign companies and governments, you are naively trusting these foreign entities have your best interests in mind.
I'd say that qualifies the word "stupid" in my post. You've just allowed every big company to spy on you permanently and helped wipe out privacy for the rest by producing perverse market incentives for software that locks down our devices and removes our freedom and privacy.