There are many interesting comments in this thread, and I think the posters (men) who are opining in specifically this thread are doing so in a safe place: under a story about sexual harrassment by a female politician.
As a man, I can say with certainty that what women want conflicts. This is because there is not just 1 woman in the world, with 1 opinion.
Women are different and want and require different things.
Women, like men, also adapt to workplace and political policies, the sentiment in the air.
These policies do not exist. There is not a single sane, normative guideline anyone can read anywhere on Earth.
It's a joke.
Reading about sexual politics is like Googling how to do cocaine or something. Obviously people do it all over the world but it's a vastly illegal thing that if discussed anywhere is in hushed voices, and very dangerous to talk about.
I am not going to give any of my opinions here but if you want to take one thing from my comment it's "Nobody is right, when everyone is wrong."
Everyone (men and women) who is a hackernews reader is a genius scientist who is among the smartest people on Earth. Let's identify that we do not have good algorithms, that fairly get men and women what they want, need, and benefit from, privately, professionally, sexually, romantically, without putting anyone at risk of something negative.
I can directly quote asking (anonymously over the Internet) two similar, professional women the same question and getting two opposite normative answers. Our "emotional intelligence" isn't necessarily the highest as programmers and hackers, it is less social than some fields, so we are at a disadvantage coming up with the correct policies. On the other hand we're smarter and fairer, and want a better world, we're way better than the rest of the Internet and society. Whatever we want and build becomes the fabric of society just a few years later.
We don't know what we want, the data conflicts, we can't talk about it. It's a huge problem.
As a man, I can say with certainty that what women want conflicts. This is because there is not just 1 woman in the world, with 1 opinion.
Women are different and want and require different things.
Women, like men, also adapt to workplace and political policies, the sentiment in the air.
These policies do not exist. There is not a single sane, normative guideline anyone can read anywhere on Earth.
It's a joke.
Reading about sexual politics is like Googling how to do cocaine or something. Obviously people do it all over the world but it's a vastly illegal thing that if discussed anywhere is in hushed voices, and very dangerous to talk about.
I am not going to give any of my opinions here but if you want to take one thing from my comment it's "Nobody is right, when everyone is wrong."
Everyone (men and women) who is a hackernews reader is a genius scientist who is among the smartest people on Earth. Let's identify that we do not have good algorithms, that fairly get men and women what they want, need, and benefit from, privately, professionally, sexually, romantically, without putting anyone at risk of something negative.
I can directly quote asking (anonymously over the Internet) two similar, professional women the same question and getting two opposite normative answers. Our "emotional intelligence" isn't necessarily the highest as programmers and hackers, it is less social than some fields, so we are at a disadvantage coming up with the correct policies. On the other hand we're smarter and fairer, and want a better world, we're way better than the rest of the Internet and society. Whatever we want and build becomes the fabric of society just a few years later.
We don't know what we want, the data conflicts, we can't talk about it. It's a huge problem.