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Bringing Back Skeuomorphic Design
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No, I like this thing where "best practice" UI design looks exactly the same as my half-assed programmer art.
Couldn't agree more.
I was a reluctant convert to the cult of flatness - the OS changed beneath me (if OSX still allowed theming I would have instantly regressed). Then they took it so far that you no longer have enough visual cues.
I'd love to see something nearer iOS 7, or Mountain Lion. We don't need to return to pads with margins and torn paper though.
I was a reluctant convert to the cult of flatness - the OS changed beneath me (if OSX still allowed theming I would have instantly regressed). Then they took it so far that you no longer have enough visual cues.
I'd love to see something nearer iOS 7, or Mountain Lion. We don't need to return to pads with margins and torn paper though.
Bring back more interesting logos:
https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/26-february-4-march-2018...
https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/26-february-4-march-2018...
I’m half kidding saying this, but I still stand behind the fact Yahoo! officially died when it changed its logo. It was the final nail in the coffin and where they conclusively proved they had lost their soul.
The current iOS calculator app is atrocious looking. However I usually use use spotlight for my calculations but that’s been hidden several swipes away if you’re in an app.
Where’s the minimalism in the amount of touch input needed? Replying to emails in Mail is a chore of taps.
Where’s the minimalism in the amount of touch input needed? Replying to emails in Mail is a chore of taps.
What infuriates me most about minimalism is when attempt an action, and the UI accepts your input but does nothing. No error message, no hint as to what you did wrong, because that wouldn't be minimalist.
Minimalism these days imitates half-finished.
Minimalism these days imitates half-finished.
It’s literally two swipes or less to get to Spotlight from anywhere in iOS.
Also, it’s only two taps to reply to an email in the Mail app. What a chore!
Also, it’s only two taps to reply to an email in the Mail app. What a chore!
It used to be just one minor swipe down. You could pull down the notifications blind just a small bit and you’d have access to it instantly. It was really useful, now I have to swipe across two screens. [0]
Mail is similar, there are more taps than there used to be in favour of minimalism. So yes it is a chore when it used to be effortless and now it’s two swipes across useless empty screen filling space in different directions that iOS sometimes misinterpretes.
[0] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/17/ios-10-tidbit-spotli...
Mail is similar, there are more taps than there used to be in favour of minimalism. So yes it is a chore when it used to be effortless and now it’s two swipes across useless empty screen filling space in different directions that iOS sometimes misinterpretes.
[0] http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/17/ios-10-tidbit-spotli...
It makes sense in places where the UI is still based on a physical item, such as the calculator and calendar, and many icons. Apple took it too far by removing almost all gradients and shadows. It just looks boring. The icons of iOS default apps are particularly dull and ugly. Material Design is a nice balance, with the clean lines of a flat UI, but with just enough detail to give it depth.
The article also mentions the other area where skeumorphic design is missed, and that's in the playful details. Flawed as the app was in many ways, and as much as many people hated it, I loved the reel-to-reel tape animation in the iOS Podcasts app ( https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2012/12/2012-12-17-iOS_P... )
The article also mentions the other area where skeumorphic design is missed, and that's in the playful details. Flawed as the app was in many ways, and as much as many people hated it, I loved the reel-to-reel tape animation in the iOS Podcasts app ( https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2012/12/2012-12-17-iOS_P... )
I got 'forbidden' for your image too...
But just out of interest, I think you'd really like the skeumorphic design of the Waves J37 tape machine and Abbey Road Vinyl plugins.
https://youtu.be/b1kWHwDNw6Y
https://youtu.be/f_HZ3YQWeXw
But just out of interest, I think you'd really like the skeumorphic design of the Waves J37 tape machine and Abbey Road Vinyl plugins.
https://youtu.be/b1kWHwDNw6Y
https://youtu.be/f_HZ3YQWeXw
Material Design is as much part of the flat and ugly problem as anyone else. I was on Android until 12 months ago when I switched back to iOS. They both have their low points, and less low points, but both are flat, ugly, anti-design, experiences. (You may infer I'm not a fan of absolute flatness, on either platform)
If I see an image from iOS 6 to 7 period I'm struck by how much better most 6 icons are than what's come since. Depth is actually really useful. I don't miss gimmicks like the wood effects, or star burst backgrounds on some icons etc. Android was much less coherent back in Android 4, so the whole sense of consistency came along with the flattening through Jelly Bean and Kitkat until you arrive at the children's Pogs interface of Nougat. Jelly Bean or Kitkat were the high point. We can thank Material Design for the coherency and some good, and needed, guidelines for colour.
Your image gives Forbidden btw.
If I see an image from iOS 6 to 7 period I'm struck by how much better most 6 icons are than what's come since. Depth is actually really useful. I don't miss gimmicks like the wood effects, or star burst backgrounds on some icons etc. Android was much less coherent back in Android 4, so the whole sense of consistency came along with the flattening through Jelly Bean and Kitkat until you arrive at the children's Pogs interface of Nougat. Jelly Bean or Kitkat were the high point. We can thank Material Design for the coherency and some good, and needed, guidelines for colour.
Your image gives Forbidden btw.
I'm missing your case in point. Based on the images you provided I can't tell which one is iOS 11. It's like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
The calculator is a little bit different between the trip, but I wouldn't say either one is unfinished, kit is either one better than the other.
iOS 10 is on the left; iOS 11 is on the right.
For me, having the subtle details like having a thin gradient border for the PIN input gives those "buttons" a more refined look compared to just flat discs.
For me, having the subtle details like having a thin gradient border for the PIN input gives those "buttons" a more refined look compared to just flat discs.
No, the reason we got rid of it was that it was impractical for like 90% of software. Skeuomorphism works for calendars and notepads, that's it. That's why those are always the examples you see for them.
There's no such thing as skeuomorphism for a chat app or a social media site - there's no analog comparison to take design cues from, they're inherently a digital thing. So what you end up doing is wrapping digital things in leather and wood texture as if it was some kind of physical device. It's tacky and cheap, and frankly, I think only a small subset of users get a kick out of it.
I don't like these designs at all. Sure, they are well put together. But the screen feels crowded and the buttons look hard to hit. It just looks incredibly delicate, if i flipped on large text mode, the whole design would break.
On the other hand... Skeuomorphism is fantastic for video games, where utility is not the primary motivator of design. If I'm playing a WW2 game of some kind, yeah, I'm cool with menus looking like war-torn clipboards and whatnot.
There's no such thing as skeuomorphism for a chat app or a social media site - there's no analog comparison to take design cues from, they're inherently a digital thing. So what you end up doing is wrapping digital things in leather and wood texture as if it was some kind of physical device. It's tacky and cheap, and frankly, I think only a small subset of users get a kick out of it.
I don't like these designs at all. Sure, they are well put together. But the screen feels crowded and the buttons look hard to hit. It just looks incredibly delicate, if i flipped on large text mode, the whole design would break.
On the other hand... Skeuomorphism is fantastic for video games, where utility is not the primary motivator of design. If I'm playing a WW2 game of some kind, yeah, I'm cool with menus looking like war-torn clipboards and whatnot.
For games, both approaches work well. Very weird is fun. Immersion (of which skeuomorphism is a part) can be fun too.
I'd rather not want my phone apps try to be immersive rather than get the job done.
I'd rather not want my phone apps try to be immersive rather than get the job done.
Completely agreed, well said.
It's time for the pendulum to swing back I guess ;)
The article give iOS 7 the credit for ushering in the 'flat' design trends ... But I remember the Windows Phone 7-8 'Metro' (later renamed to Modern) design language as the key influence. It blew away people with the attention to typography and proportional grid-based layouts.
The article give iOS 7 the credit for ushering in the 'flat' design trends ... But I remember the Windows Phone 7-8 'Metro' (later renamed to Modern) design language as the key influence. It blew away people with the attention to typography and proportional grid-based layouts.
It was Metro, and before that websites that got rid of divider lines and frames, signifying borders between areas by empty space.
I actually mostly like that trend and only think it goes overboard when you don't know what you can or cannot interact with anymore.
I actually mostly like that trend and only think it goes overboard when you don't know what you can or cannot interact with anymore.
I think you're right. But, in a reversal of roles, Microsoft did the design well and Apple's copy was a poor, souless wannabe IMO. They sucked any semblance of "joy" (for lack of a better word) out of the Metro ideas and iOS.
I disagree. Microsoft just took typographic design principles that have been extant for decades and which were already commonplace in print and web design and applied them wholesale to UI design.
There are situations where this makes perfect sense, but it was hardly a sensible approach to UI design on the whole. Metro was widely criticized for making it more difficult for users to be productive, which I would argue is the primary concern of any desktop operating system. And indeed, Microsoft quickly moved beyond Metro in favor of Fluent, a design language that is much more in keeping with Apple’s current design language than it is with Metro.
Metro, despite being relatively popular with UI designers and developers, totally flopped with users, who did not find joy in using it at all. With Metro, Microsoft attempted to cut out UI chrome in favor of content. The idea being that removing chrome would make room for content. Instead, they ended up treating content as chrome, leaving substantially less room for actual content. Microsoft failed to meet their own design goals for Metro. And what’s worst, they seemingly failed to recognize that they had failed for quite some time.
Apple’s human interface design guidelines for iOS, while far from perfect, are a much truer realization of the design principles that Microsoft set out to implement with Metro. Rather than treating content as chrome, chrome is reduced to its most basic elements, retaining its ability to inform the user as to its function, while minimally detracting from content.
There are situations where this makes perfect sense, but it was hardly a sensible approach to UI design on the whole. Metro was widely criticized for making it more difficult for users to be productive, which I would argue is the primary concern of any desktop operating system. And indeed, Microsoft quickly moved beyond Metro in favor of Fluent, a design language that is much more in keeping with Apple’s current design language than it is with Metro.
Metro, despite being relatively popular with UI designers and developers, totally flopped with users, who did not find joy in using it at all. With Metro, Microsoft attempted to cut out UI chrome in favor of content. The idea being that removing chrome would make room for content. Instead, they ended up treating content as chrome, leaving substantially less room for actual content. Microsoft failed to meet their own design goals for Metro. And what’s worst, they seemingly failed to recognize that they had failed for quite some time.
Apple’s human interface design guidelines for iOS, while far from perfect, are a much truer realization of the design principles that Microsoft set out to implement with Metro. Rather than treating content as chrome, chrome is reduced to its most basic elements, retaining its ability to inform the user as to its function, while minimally detracting from content.
Yes, design is fashion after all. It’s cyclical.
Design is not fashion, fashion is fashion. Otherwise, every market and product/service segment has its own "fashion", but that doesn't make them "is fashion". (Startups are fashion, engineering is fashion, education is fashion, technology is fashion etc.)
Balance in all things: a design should be minimalist where that is called for (the background, unimportant or repetitive elements, etc.) and should increase in visual complexity/depth/color/brightness in areas that are important and need to draw the users eye. (NB: minimalism does not mean "nothing". Sometimes a slight texture completely changes the feel of a UI, but it requires a deft hand.)
I'm glad to see the flat-ui/material-design over-application of minimalism is coming to an end and designers are getting back to more complex visual treatments. My hope is that, rather than casting back and forth between the various schools of thought, designers start thinking in context-sensitive terms: not "Should I use flat design or skeumorphic design for this app?" but rather "Where in this UI are flat design AND skeumorphic designs best utilized?"
I'm glad to see the flat-ui/material-design over-application of minimalism is coming to an end and designers are getting back to more complex visual treatments. My hope is that, rather than casting back and forth between the various schools of thought, designers start thinking in context-sensitive terms: not "Should I use flat design or skeumorphic design for this app?" but rather "Where in this UI are flat design AND skeumorphic designs best utilized?"
IMHO the most important skeuomorphic thing in UI is to make buttons actually look like buttons, i.e. they are obviously meant to be pressed. Far too much time has been wasted on trying to learn UIs where buttons are virtually indistinguishable from static text. Borderless buttons are particularly frustrating, especially when there's multiple of them next to each other.
THIS. Material Design guidelines tried to drill these into deisgners' head. But man, their damn artsy skulls are thiiiiick...
There should be a "Shadow + Fill if it's tappable/clickable. F please!" rule though in every design school. Every time I see it not followed I get a fit of rage, that unfortunately I need to swallow and not fire the designer because I know he's otherwise good at UX too.
It's should something like a "don't f drive when you're drunk rule" rule... common sense to every-f-body!
There should be a "Shadow + Fill if it's tappable/clickable. F please!" rule though in every design school. Every time I see it not followed I get a fit of rage, that unfortunately I need to swallow and not fire the designer because I know he's otherwise good at UX too.
It's should something like a "don't f drive when you're drunk rule" rule... common sense to every-f-body!
fuck.
There, I said it.
There, I said it.
It’s amazing how many Accessibility settings I have to turn on in iOS (which restore shaped buttons, etc.) in order to make the system sensible. While I’m glad the options even exist, I am a fan of sensible defaults and Apple and Google do not have those.
The very first thing I thought of when I started seeing everything moving to "flat design" was "I wonder how long this will last?"
I figured everything would go flat and then designers would bring back skeuomorphic designs and they would pop extra hard in contrast.
Now I bet we'll go really loud and retro ("Stranger Things") for a while until we get worn out and need to take a break and go flat again for a while.
I figured everything would go flat and then designers would bring back skeuomorphic designs and they would pop extra hard in contrast.
Now I bet we'll go really loud and retro ("Stranger Things") for a while until we get worn out and need to take a break and go flat again for a while.
One can at least hope that the amplitude of pendulum swings decreases, which seems likely to happen to me.
Please do bring it back. In my opinion, it looks better than the flat modern interfaces that everybody now uses. Starting with Windows 8 phone minimalism has made computer interfaces uglier, and harder to use.
It seems like UI designers are just as fashion concious as clothes fashion designers, and also have less concern for the comfort/usability of their product.
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It seems like UI designers are just as fashion concious as clothes fashion designers, and also have less concern for the comfort/usability of their product.
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Windows looks like they fired all their designers and let developers make the interfaces. It seems like a waste that we go to high resolution screens and take all the detail out of interfaces.
What about magazines - where are the gradients, where are the textures? So far behind the technical possibilities... I think they figured out something over all these years.
And yeah, I hate the look of Windows XP through 7 with the fire of a thousand suns. Just look at the Windows 7 start button. Or the scarlet and light blue window buttons on Vista. There I wonder what they did to their designers to make them produce such garbage.
And yeah, I hate the look of Windows XP through 7 with the fire of a thousand suns. Just look at the Windows 7 start button. Or the scarlet and light blue window buttons on Vista. There I wonder what they did to their designers to make them produce such garbage.
Fashion really has no place in computing. These are tools and we should treat them as such
"The reaction, as all reactionary trends, was to throw out everything that came before and fully embrace this new direction of minimalist ui, white space layouts and magazine typesetting. Some argue that it was a timely change to meet the demands of the increasing complexities of the interface. That we had grown out of the need to include real world cues in our digital analogies. Evolved the interface."
No, a bunch of kingmakers got on stage and we foolishly listened to them.
"The reaction, as all reactionary trends, was to throw out everything that came before and fully embrace this new direction of minimalist ui, white space layouts and magazine typesetting. Some argue that it was a timely change to meet the demands of the increasing complexities of the interface. That we had grown out of the need to include real world cues in our digital analogies. Evolved the interface."
No, a bunch of kingmakers got on stage and we foolishly listened to them.
> Fashion really has no place in computing. These are tools and we should treat them as such
This is a remarkably limited perspective on a set of devices that people spend almost every waking hour using.
This is a remarkably limited perspective on a set of devices that people spend almost every waking hour using.
> Fashion really has no place in computing. These are tools and we should treat them as such
This cracked me up... You do realize that even things like programming language selection are 90% fashion-driven, right?
This cracked me up... You do realize that even things like programming language selection are 90% fashion-driven, right?
If course fashion has a place in computing. It has a place in physical tools as well.
You want a tool to be easy to use. A purely designed tool isn't easy to use. Fashion comes into play to design tools that are easy to user and nice to look at... In the case if UI, the look look is a part of the too as well.
You want people to buy your product. People tend to buy the latest fashion.
Do you think that fashion isn't a part of other types of tools?
I think that it is something imposed on us by the more aesthetically-inclined. Herd mentality, etc...
Given the anti-creative monotony that "fashion" produces in tech, I'd take the DIY geocities aesthetic and skeumorphism any day of the week
Given the anti-creative monotony that "fashion" produces in tech, I'd take the DIY geocities aesthetic and skeumorphism any day of the week
>> "...UI designers are just as fashion concious as clothes fashion designers..."
UI designers in general would be fashion designers if they could; they mostly went to the same school, had the same interests, are influenced by the same ideas etc.
The main difference is that one group needed real jobs and the other found a way to get by without them.
UI designers in general would be fashion designers if they could; they mostly went to the same school, had the same interests, are influenced by the same ideas etc.
The main difference is that one group needed real jobs and the other found a way to get by without them.
Original drive towards flat design was in part driven by retina-style displays and scalable vector graphics where authoring tools used to be pathetic. These days we have much better tools, so maybe we can finally get attention to details back instead of enforcing one-size-fits-all ugliness on everyone, just because it's simpler for non-designers.
What I am worried though is that "flat" already caused too much damage and we will never see a beautiful complex yet holistic UI again. Something like what happened to IndyCars; they had arguably the most beautiful cars on the planet in 00s, then switched to unbelievably ugly decade and half, and this year will have something that while prettier than what they had before, still can't match their golden age in looks when many people were watching them because they just looked so cool.
What I am worried though is that "flat" already caused too much damage and we will never see a beautiful complex yet holistic UI again. Something like what happened to IndyCars; they had arguably the most beautiful cars on the planet in 00s, then switched to unbelievably ugly decade and half, and this year will have something that while prettier than what they had before, still can't match their golden age in looks when many people were watching them because they just looked so cool.
A lot of the reason skeuomorphic design went away was that Apple had a release which used more skeuomorphism and was also ugly. The OP link is more tasteful. Let's just bring back taste, rather than carrying banners for one abstract philosophy or another.
I like it, it's very tasteful... I hope it does come back, because I find the flat / whitespace / no decoration UI craze to be boring.
This point is mostly about looks, not skeuomorphism.
You do not have to model real items to have them look good and be recognisable and the functionality being relatively obvious.
You do not have to model real items to have them look good and be recognisable and the functionality being relatively obvious.
100% agree with this! ios is nice and fluid and smooth, but so much white it gets boring fast.
Yes, I thought we were past the age of minimalism
Amen.
I'll be the first to admit that "you don't want me doing your UX design"[0], but I found the whole violent shift from skeuomorphic to flat to be too much. Almost over night we went from nearly cartoonish to IRS forms "with color". As a non-designer, I was happy -- finally, I could hit up a web site for a reasonable color palette, grab a popular font from Google and have a design that almost passed as typical. As a user, I found the look ... boring and uninspired.
Here's the thing, though, skeuomorphic design did serve a purpose. It was to equate, for non-tech-savvy folks, concepts from the "real world" to concepts in an app. A few simple design elements can differentiate my calendar from my task list from my playlist and can be highly effective in circumstances where providing a UI more than a very brief glance can be dangerous[1]. And outside of those scenarios, it's nice reducing the cognitive load required to recognize the context of what I'm doing. Unfortunately, it was taken way too far. But it went too far the other way, too. There's a happy medium here, and I rather like the UI presented here as that happy place.
[0] I'm not completely miserable at it, but I'm a developer. I want a knob/switch/setting for everything and the ability to customize everything (I joke that I never quit Firefox because I love "about:config"). My mom doesn't. For most of my projects, which are either personal or targeted at engineers, a lot of time isn't spent thinking about design.
[1] For instance, waking my phone while driving to change the song -- It's nice to see something that indicates "that's a playlist" which is obvious and instant.
I'll be the first to admit that "you don't want me doing your UX design"[0], but I found the whole violent shift from skeuomorphic to flat to be too much. Almost over night we went from nearly cartoonish to IRS forms "with color". As a non-designer, I was happy -- finally, I could hit up a web site for a reasonable color palette, grab a popular font from Google and have a design that almost passed as typical. As a user, I found the look ... boring and uninspired.
Here's the thing, though, skeuomorphic design did serve a purpose. It was to equate, for non-tech-savvy folks, concepts from the "real world" to concepts in an app. A few simple design elements can differentiate my calendar from my task list from my playlist and can be highly effective in circumstances where providing a UI more than a very brief glance can be dangerous[1]. And outside of those scenarios, it's nice reducing the cognitive load required to recognize the context of what I'm doing. Unfortunately, it was taken way too far. But it went too far the other way, too. There's a happy medium here, and I rather like the UI presented here as that happy place.
[0] I'm not completely miserable at it, but I'm a developer. I want a knob/switch/setting for everything and the ability to customize everything (I joke that I never quit Firefox because I love "about:config"). My mom doesn't. For most of my projects, which are either personal or targeted at engineers, a lot of time isn't spent thinking about design.
[1] For instance, waking my phone while driving to change the song -- It's nice to see something that indicates "that's a playlist" which is obvious and instant.
My playlist does not look like a collection of CDs nor like a plain text list. It does look like a spiffy and specific list - and different from image gallery too.
(Using PowerAmp, not affiliated.)
(Using PowerAmp, not affiliated.)
I agree that most UI is the same these days and some change from the norm should be encouraged, but I don't think that UI with actual real world things like binder clips is needed. Mobile apps don't need clips to keep pages together, so lets not bring new constraints into a field that already has it's own to work with.
I love how Google is updating material design to have more aggressive shadows and bring in elements that make the UI feel more like the real world, while also pushing the boundaries of app design with newer interaction models that most haven't seen, but immediately feel used to.
Mobile app design is such a new field, let's not jump back into our time machine because we feel nostalgic for Steve Job's Apple. Let's keep pushing the field forward.
I love how Google is updating material design to have more aggressive shadows and bring in elements that make the UI feel more like the real world, while also pushing the boundaries of app design with newer interaction models that most haven't seen, but immediately feel used to.
Mobile app design is such a new field, let's not jump back into our time machine because we feel nostalgic for Steve Job's Apple. Let's keep pushing the field forward.
My car doesn't need leather seats, carbon fibre, or chrome bumpers. My watch doesn't need numbers as well as hour markers. My seafood dinner doesn't need the milk crisp arranging like a sail. My jeans don't need rivets. My pen pot doesn't need to be wrapped in leather. I don't need wood panelling on the walls.
I could live in a sterile utilitarian whiteness, where the only things that exist have a purpose. Some people do. I prefer plants, and colours, and textures, and art on the wall.
I like knobs on my virtual synthesiser. I like pages in my e-book. If I had an app where I could clip together a series of documents, I'd rather it displayed this with a binder clip than a message or an abstract icon.
Extreme minimalism is, and has always been, soulless imho. Even the Farnsworth House used woodgrain and leather, curtains act as fabric wallhangings, textured concrete is prominently featured. Falling Water is practically a skeuomorphic paradise.
I could live in a sterile utilitarian whiteness, where the only things that exist have a purpose. Some people do. I prefer plants, and colours, and textures, and art on the wall.
I like knobs on my virtual synthesiser. I like pages in my e-book. If I had an app where I could clip together a series of documents, I'd rather it displayed this with a binder clip than a message or an abstract icon.
Extreme minimalism is, and has always been, soulless imho. Even the Farnsworth House used woodgrain and leather, curtains act as fabric wallhangings, textured concrete is prominently featured. Falling Water is practically a skeuomorphic paradise.
And I really don't like knobs on my synthesizer, they're a total pain to set right. (But I do like the lamps and VU meters, nice labels and a bit of distinct look.)
Nor the pages as I have to tap in addition to scrolling. There is a reason to have scroll bars, but not a good reason to have pages especially when they don't fit the screen size.
There is minimalism and then there is skeuomorphism. And the entirely different thing is functionality. Looks are only tangentially related...
Nor the pages as I have to tap in addition to scrolling. There is a reason to have scroll bars, but not a good reason to have pages especially when they don't fit the screen size.
There is minimalism and then there is skeuomorphism. And the entirely different thing is functionality. Looks are only tangentially related...
When every app looks and acts the same, why have different apps at all? What I want is one single mega app that does everything. At least then I can rest peacefully knowing that the interfaces between all of my digital playspaces are consistent. Think of how wonderful it will be when I can open my phone and not be surprised by what a designer has carefully crafted. This excites you too, doesn't it?
I'm not saying everything should be the same, my first sentence said quite the opposite. I'm just saying let's not bring the constraints of the physical world into mobile app design, let's get a little more creative.
I'm of the opinion that "Material design" is exactly what my comment portrays... a world where all interfaces look and act alike, where everything must adhere to "best practices" at the expense of a unique experience and fresh ideas.
My thought is that, if the goal is more creativity, then we have to move away from trying to homogenize user experiences by funneling them into the same identical visual theme (read: "Material design")
I didn't mean my previous comment to rip on what you were saying; this just comes from someone who is working on a project that has been shorehorned into Material design and I sincerely think the user interface has worsened as a result.
My thought is that, if the goal is more creativity, then we have to move away from trying to homogenize user experiences by funneling them into the same identical visual theme (read: "Material design")
I didn't mean my previous comment to rip on what you were saying; this just comes from someone who is working on a project that has been shorehorned into Material design and I sincerely think the user interface has worsened as a result.
Emacs, I guess /s
Please don't. Skeuomorphism always lies to the user.
That button? Does not really depress and definitely does not act immediately.
Knob you're turning? It is not analogue nor you can really use a true turning gesture.
And why do you have to use one when you have a touch screen to draw the result on?
Computer desktop is not a desk top, items do not obstruct each other.
A file folder has no pages.
Ebook only has them because someone thought it needs to. I'd welcome infinite scrolling in these.
Non-flat is not the same as skeuomorphic. Hopefully.
That button? Does not really depress and definitely does not act immediately.
Knob you're turning? It is not analogue nor you can really use a true turning gesture.
And why do you have to use one when you have a touch screen to draw the result on?
Computer desktop is not a desk top, items do not obstruct each other.
A file folder has no pages.
Ebook only has them because someone thought it needs to. I'd welcome infinite scrolling in these.
Non-flat is not the same as skeuomorphic. Hopefully.
Kind of dooh: as we get better and higher DPI display, skeumorphic designs are too good at showing off how good the displays actually are to worth passing off :P
Thing with skeumorphic design is that people really don't know where to stop when they start doing it... so it will be a cycles thing: at some point all cargo-cult designers overdo it, everyone gets sick of it, and we're back to Metro. To be hones though, I like the "improved flat" phase of Material Design and I hope we stay on it as much as possible, so we can focus on things like UX more instead. Back in the days of full-skeumorphic fever, "good UX" was seen as worthless ammateurish crap unless dressed in tons of graphic desinger makeup...
Thing with skeumorphic design is that people really don't know where to stop when they start doing it... so it will be a cycles thing: at some point all cargo-cult designers overdo it, everyone gets sick of it, and we're back to Metro. To be hones though, I like the "improved flat" phase of Material Design and I hope we stay on it as much as possible, so we can focus on things like UX more instead. Back in the days of full-skeumorphic fever, "good UX" was seen as worthless ammateurish crap unless dressed in tons of graphic desinger makeup...
The problem with flat design is the human optical perception is the product of literally hundreds of millions of years of evolution, and it is designed for a three dimensional world.
Flat design the latest example of a utopianistic drive that started in the 20th century by some intellectuals to make a world that fits robots, not human beings. Other examples are modern classical music and modern architecture. Modern classical music never caught on because it simply doesn't fit the human auditory system. Ditto modern architecture,though it has persisted partly for business reasons, and has been greatly modified to make it more humane.
Flat design the latest example of a utopianistic drive that started in the 20th century by some intellectuals to make a world that fits robots, not human beings. Other examples are modern classical music and modern architecture. Modern classical music never caught on because it simply doesn't fit the human auditory system. Ditto modern architecture,though it has persisted partly for business reasons, and has been greatly modified to make it more humane.
I agree that some of the most extreme instances of flat UI design need to be dialed back, but:
> make UI fun again
Hell no. I'm not using an app to have fun with the UI, I'm using an app to complete some sort of task [1]. Sure, the UI designer wants to have some fun (same for the developer), but in the end, the user's experience matters the most.
When designers embrace this back-to-skeuomorphism trend, I'd like to remind them of Dieter Rams' Good Design Principles:
> 5. Good design is unobstrusive.
> 6. Good design is honest.
> 7. Good design is long-lasting.
> 10. Good design is as little design as possible.
[1] Implying that it's some sort of productivity app, rather than some game or entertainment content.
> make UI fun again
Hell no. I'm not using an app to have fun with the UI, I'm using an app to complete some sort of task [1]. Sure, the UI designer wants to have some fun (same for the developer), but in the end, the user's experience matters the most.
When designers embrace this back-to-skeuomorphism trend, I'd like to remind them of Dieter Rams' Good Design Principles:
> 5. Good design is unobstrusive.
> 6. Good design is honest.
> 7. Good design is long-lasting.
> 10. Good design is as little design as possible.
[1] Implying that it's some sort of productivity app, rather than some game or entertainment content.
The skeuomorphic design in the article is beautiful. It represents a real life object augmented with digital. It makes me want to use it.
Notice there are no textures. Maybe textures was the corny side of skeuo and what people didn’t like.
Notice there are no textures. Maybe textures was the corny side of skeuo and what people didn’t like.
> Notice there are no textures.
It has a leather case and metal binder rings. It absolutely has textures.
It has a leather case and metal binder rings. It absolutely has textures.
I meant as background fill. Textures here are used to augment (borders) and not fill.
What's missing is user testing. Many designers are still in denial that they're engineers not artists, they still mock user testing with "users don't know what they want" etc.. But how do you know if the interface does what it's supposed to do? Does it have bugs?
One of the benefits of a platform design language is that users learn the language, they know what the buttons are, how to navigate around without putting too much thought into it. If you deviate from that you really need to be sure the user will benefit from it and it's not just pretty for pretty's sake.
One of the benefits of a platform design language is that users learn the language, they know what the buttons are, how to navigate around without putting too much thought into it. If you deviate from that you really need to be sure the user will benefit from it and it's not just pretty for pretty's sake.
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis,_antithesis,_synthesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis,_antithesis,_synthesis
Does this mean I'm allowed to use <tables> again without being crucified?
Can't be any worse than bootstrap's col / grid system.
I've actually never even tried to understand people's issue with tables. I think there are important places to take stands in my life and I guess that <table> isn't one of them. I'm more of a "generalist" than a front-end dev but that being said, I would guess that you would have more control for responsive layouts with bootstrap's grid system than using HTML tables. If I'm using table cells I can have them stretch or squeeze to fit the screen but it's trivial with Bootstrap's grid to change the number of div's in a row depending on screen size. I don't believe that is achievable with basic HTML tables.
The argument was/is that ‘table’ should have semantic meaning; you use it for tabulation of facts. Most people were using it to create arbitrary containers.
Some people have taken it too far, and refuse to use tables even for representing actual tables of data.
Some people have taken it too far, and refuse to use tables even for representing actual tables of data.
I believe it's a weird kind of misunderstanding. Tables were declared bad when the rule was still "mark up meaning, not physical look".
Today, websites are mostly designed in a fixed layout (well, two - desktop and mobile), so the argument against tables makes no sense anymore.
Today, websites are mostly designed in a fixed layout (well, two - desktop and mobile), so the argument against tables makes no sense anymore.
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Yes, but not <blink> nor <marquee>.
Yeah but it's called CSS Grid now.
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I miss skeumorphism. It was great for making computing more accessible
I have mixed feelings about this.
Lets take something that most on here probably remember, the floppy disk. It is still a common sight as a save icon, but my youngest children have never USED a floppy.
I don't mind the concept, as long as the concept isn't sacrificing functionality, and astethics for the sake of nostalgia.
Lets take something that most on here probably remember, the floppy disk. It is still a common sight as a save icon, but my youngest children have never USED a floppy.
I don't mind the concept, as long as the concept isn't sacrificing functionality, and astethics for the sake of nostalgia.
The floppy - sure, that's obsolete. With what should it be replaced that's universally recognised? Does your youngest need to know it's a floppy, and what that once meant, or just it's the funny icon for save? Just like some of the other indecipherable "universal" icons.
The trouble with flat design is it had design without any aesthetics, so a return to some depth and skeuomorphism isn't likely to lose aesthetics.
The trouble with flat design is it had design without any aesthetics, so a return to some depth and skeuomorphism isn't likely to lose aesthetics.
Icons are written language, culture that is transmitted across generations. The floppy disk symbol stuck and that's what we're left with, it could have been any symbol really. It's actually how all alphabets evolve, some Sumerian would draw a cow and then it would be simplified and generalized over time until some unrecognizable symbol meant "wealth" or something like that.
Right we should use a Zip disk icon instead. Much more modern.
Some software use the standard icon for storage instead - looks like a stack of hard disks.
And then you also get the folder icons with arrows on Windows, not floppies.
And then you also get the folder icons with arrows on Windows, not floppies.
skeuomorphism works, and should be used, because of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishmen...
http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishmen...
http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2...
Apple had a good balance between skeuomorphism and minimalism a few years ago, but as Jony Ive & Co. strip out decoration for flatness, iOS 11 almost looks unfinished. Case in point: the PIN screen and the calculator app.
Lock screen: https://file.mockplus.com/image/2017/10/5627bfee-8dbf-44b4-9...
Calculator: http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/iOS-10...
I live in an old Victorian house, and there's something very "human" and comforting about the tiny details that designers embark on a crusade to erase every other decade. Sometimes I wonder if flat UI and "brutalist design" [0] came about simply because folks got lazy and need to show something quickly Monday morning.
[0] http://brutalistwebsites.com/