Ask HN: Horrible YC startup employment experience, should I speak up?
Big HN fan, started working for a YC startup. It was the worst experience I ever had. The CTO was constantly checking prices of expensive watches and not even looking at the software stack for 5 month. The company was constantly hiring and firing. Should I speak up about this awful experience? What's your experience?
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There's a lot of terrible YC companies. 90% of everything is crap. YC is a good filter, so it's closer to 50% or less. Still a lot of crap. There are incompetent people who graduated from Caltech or worked at Google. Signals aren't perfect.
YC companies seem to be extreme in some form or another, good, bad, and ugly. Do write it up on Glassdoor. It's a record and something people will check, investors, applicants, and competent HR.
YC itself probably can't even act on it if they wanted. They invested money and if the company was bad enough, they'll die on their own. YC tops up money in a non-signal manner (only when others do). So even if they wanted to back out of an investment, they likely wouldn't.
YC companies seem to be extreme in some form or another, good, bad, and ugly. Do write it up on Glassdoor. It's a record and something people will check, investors, applicants, and competent HR.
YC itself probably can't even act on it if they wanted. They invested money and if the company was bad enough, they'll die on their own. YC tops up money in a non-signal manner (only when others do). So even if they wanted to back out of an investment, they likely wouldn't.
Yes, please do.
Just keep in mind that you may end up having your own identity revealed - especially if your commentary appears to be too caustic, or to focus too much on petty mistakes instead of the bigger picture (everyone screws up, or says something stupid now and then - it's just a question of degree). And also, please take care to avoid speculating about matters you can't directly verify (did the CTO literally "not look at the stack for 5 months", and if so, how can you tell?)
Also, you may want to make your report (at least plausibly) anonymous -- that is, don't name the company, or give details about the line of business. That will spare you from charges that you have an axe to grind, and people will be less likely to take a sympathetic position towards they company (as they sometimes do when companies are ratted on).
But if you go that route - do mention that it's a YC company (because it's definitely in the interest of the readers here to know).
So a good strategy may be: take some time out to compose (without making it too long - otherwise it will appear as a "rant"). And if you can, show it to a friend who can gut check it for you. Then if the two of you feel good about the content - go ahead and post.
Just keep in mind that you may end up having your own identity revealed - especially if your commentary appears to be too caustic, or to focus too much on petty mistakes instead of the bigger picture (everyone screws up, or says something stupid now and then - it's just a question of degree). And also, please take care to avoid speculating about matters you can't directly verify (did the CTO literally "not look at the stack for 5 months", and if so, how can you tell?)
Also, you may want to make your report (at least plausibly) anonymous -- that is, don't name the company, or give details about the line of business. That will spare you from charges that you have an axe to grind, and people will be less likely to take a sympathetic position towards they company (as they sometimes do when companies are ratted on).
But if you go that route - do mention that it's a YC company (because it's definitely in the interest of the readers here to know).
So a good strategy may be: take some time out to compose (without making it too long - otherwise it will appear as a "rant"). And if you can, show it to a friend who can gut check it for you. Then if the two of you feel good about the content - go ahead and post.
Thanks for your feedback, I will take some time to do writeup.
Regarding the question. Well because I wrote the stack....
Btw you seem like HN power user :)
Btw you seem like HN power user :)
Am nothing of the sort. But am humbled that you might mistake me for such.
Saying things like this doesn’t exactly help to conceal your identity.
There are some terrible YC companies but we really only talk about the successful ones and the process to get to successful is a messy struggle.
A good YC company would be glad you provided feedback they can use to make the process better. Other startups YC or not can learn.
Stories like yours are common and we all can relate. Honestly it doesn't sound all that bad, the CTO is letting you choose the stack and run with it. Distracted CTOs are much better than owners who think they are programmers (who get drunk and commit changes at 2am that break production). Hiring and firing/quiting is common in a startup. You need to build a team that fits together and getting that right is hard.. things usually stabilize.
Is this your first startup?
A good YC company would be glad you provided feedback they can use to make the process better. Other startups YC or not can learn.
Stories like yours are common and we all can relate. Honestly it doesn't sound all that bad, the CTO is letting you choose the stack and run with it. Distracted CTOs are much better than owners who think they are programmers (who get drunk and commit changes at 2am that break production). Hiring and firing/quiting is common in a startup. You need to build a team that fits together and getting that right is hard.. things usually stabilize.
Is this your first startup?
What do you think this will accomplish?
If you want to let YC know, do it in private.
If you want to help other people avoid this startup, weigh the satisfaction of doing that vs the fact that people are generally wary of hiring whistleblowers.
If you want to air the laundry and remain anonymous, use something like Glassdoor. But your opinion won't have much weight unless it's backed by others.
If you want to let YC know, do it in private.
If you want to help other people avoid this startup, weigh the satisfaction of doing that vs the fact that people are generally wary of hiring whistleblowers.
If you want to air the laundry and remain anonymous, use something like Glassdoor. But your opinion won't have much weight unless it's backed by others.
I wish the times would come when people finally have the guts to just explicitly say what they think is true.
Without being shamed or accused of hurting someone’s abstract feelings.
For instance, this post would make much more sense and impact if OP would just write
“hey guys, cto of YC funded company ABC, in my opinion, is doing awful job and i as an employee have terrible experience. Here is why …. What do you suggest?”
Without being shamed or accused of hurting someone’s abstract feelings.
For instance, this post would make much more sense and impact if OP would just write
“hey guys, cto of YC funded company ABC, in my opinion, is doing awful job and i as an employee have terrible experience. Here is why …. What do you suggest?”
Be careful what you wish for.
In a fair amount of cases this opinion will be biased, wrong, based on the wrong assumption or just outright intentionally misleading. But it will still agitate the crowd, because everyone just loooves good witch hunt, causing a bunch of unjustified grief to those targeted.
In a fair amount of cases this opinion will be biased, wrong, based on the wrong assumption or just outright intentionally misleading. But it will still agitate the crowd, because everyone just loooves good witch hunt, causing a bunch of unjustified grief to those targeted.
I agree. But I believe it’s still better to have all witches revealed and let people decide, rather than hiding everything because of fear.
Your belief will change very quickly once you are on the receiving end of one of these hunts.
As an owner of somewhat popular youtube channel and small bootcamp school I’ve been, many times.
This is why I am confident about my point — in my experience all unjustified hate has no power and vanishes quickly, while reasonable critique helps to get better.
This is why I am confident about my point — in my experience all unjustified hate has no power and vanishes quickly, while reasonable critique helps to get better.
It simply requires more self-reliant men and women to be bold with the truth as opposed to rationalizing some future comfortable well-being which is being jeopardized. If anything, being outwardly self-righteous filters out those who have secrets to hide.-Joseph Ariel Hazani
Honestly, if the culture is as bad as you say....the company is likely to perish or go into decline at some point.
While there may be a moral argument around protecting potential new employees and warning them not to join. Or to encourage YC to better monitor their companies....
Having said that, to have an impact you would really have to go out of your way to make a point...there is a cost associated with that especially if you dont get the outcome you would like. Some people could potentially view you negativity or that you rat people out. Personally, I would not do anything unless it was something big like fraud or sexual abuse/rape because there is a moral argument and then the board/investors would really pay attention. If it is just bad culture, the board/investors could just turn around and say they are aware of it and are working with the leadership on this.
While there may be a moral argument around protecting potential new employees and warning them not to join. Or to encourage YC to better monitor their companies....
Having said that, to have an impact you would really have to go out of your way to make a point...there is a cost associated with that especially if you dont get the outcome you would like. Some people could potentially view you negativity or that you rat people out. Personally, I would not do anything unless it was something big like fraud or sexual abuse/rape because there is a moral argument and then the board/investors would really pay attention. If it is just bad culture, the board/investors could just turn around and say they are aware of it and are working with the leadership on this.
What do you expect to achieve by speaking up? How would it help you or your career or impact your future? What do you expect YC will do?
Like anyone else, YC will do whatever is in it’s own best interest, not yours. So be careful and give much more thought to any action you take.
Like anyone else, YC will do whatever is in it’s own best interest, not yours. So be careful and give much more thought to any action you take.
Before you do anything try and think about what you would like to accomplish and determine if going forward would help with that plan. If what you want is more stability in your job then see what practical changes you can do to make that happen.
I often have grandiose ideas that I will give some glorious speech full of witty put downs, but then I get out of the shower and realize it wouldn't play out that way in reality!
If it is truly untenable just get a new job and it sounds like you at least got paid and have some good stories to tell
I often have grandiose ideas that I will give some glorious speech full of witty put downs, but then I get out of the shower and realize it wouldn't play out that way in reality!
If it is truly untenable just get a new job and it sounds like you at least got paid and have some good stories to tell
Just as an aside I'd like to mention that if the CTO shopping on the job and not reviewing any of your work is the worst employment experience you've ever had, you should count yourself as lucky still. It's certainly not a great environment, but nothing you've mentioned so far sounds tragically awful, just mildly disappointing. It's a workers market right now, you could easily leave to find an environment with more engaged coworkers if you wanted.
>It's a workers market right now
Is it? It doesn't seem to be like that from my POV. Perhaps only in the US, though.
Is it? It doesn't seem to be like that from my POV. Perhaps only in the US, though.
YC doesn’t seem relevant to the situation, it’s just an investor at this point.
Personally, I'd just move on. It has limited potential to be beneficial and great potential to be detrimental.
Yes. But, the machine doesn't care. The startup ecosystem is the prime example of the golden rule - "He who has the gold, makes the rules."
Startups are very much like President Trump's administration. Everyone is all in on the golden goose and they'll slowly twist themselves in circles justifying and doing unseemly things, to hold on to the power, and especially the payout, at the end of the tunnel.
Startups are very much like President Trump's administration. Everyone is all in on the golden goose and they'll slowly twist themselves in circles justifying and doing unseemly things, to hold on to the power, and especially the payout, at the end of the tunnel.
Yes. Name and shame.
Developers Develop.
Build a system to prevent such things from happening and if it happens how to deal with it.
Manuals for mind-transference keeps the focus, commitment and will alive.
(a simple powerpoint slide is enough)
You should feel safe enough to speak up and if not, you must walk away.
Don´t stay where you are not valued.
Build a system to prevent such things from happening and if it happens how to deal with it.
Manuals for mind-transference keeps the focus, commitment and will alive.
(a simple powerpoint slide is enough)
You should feel safe enough to speak up and if not, you must walk away.
Don´t stay where you are not valued.
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