Deutsche Bank whistleblower found dead in LA's Lincoln Park(heysocal.com)
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Deutsche Bank whistleblower found dead in LA's Lincoln Park
https://heysocal.com/2022/04/26/deutsche-bank-whistleblower-found-dead-in-las-lincoln-park/
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> * Anybody 45 and under randomly dying these days is most likely from exposure to fentanyl.*
This might be applicable in some places (particularly in the USA) where the opioid crisis is in full swing, but it’s a very rare event outside those locations.
This might be applicable in some places (particularly in the USA) where the opioid crisis is in full swing, but it’s a very rare event outside those locations.
Sure, for anybody else that didn't connect that this was a US death in a US city and my corroborating source was from a US news publication citing a US government agency with US data that specifically counted US deaths, you can rest easy now.
In all seriousness, it is interesting to think about the idea that the supply chain pollution is primarily affecting US, sounds like we can still go wild in Europe.
In all seriousness, it is interesting to think about the idea that the supply chain pollution is primarily affecting US, sounds like we can still go wild in Europe.
Yeah, but you have to concede that "anybody" means anybody. You can't go around changing the meaning of words and expecting people to just grok it and then act all smug when people don't.
That affirmation about the fentanyl will sound weird for the major part of "anybodies" around the world.
Alright, sure its a valid perspective
"anybody" doesn't always mean "anybody". There's often context.
In fact “anybody” virtually never means “everybody” and it’s almost always a cheap shot to shut down a comment or a statement with a pithy counter-point to “disprove” anybody.
Basically you can’t safely use the word in the vernacular and expect to have a productive discussion, which is unfortunate. Because we all know what was meant.
Basically you can’t safely use the word in the vernacular and expect to have a productive discussion, which is unfortunate. Because we all know what was meant.
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Supply chain pollution is affection everyone, but fentanyl is really not a thing outside of US, which is what the top comment was warning about.
This isn’t true. Canada has a far larger fentanyl problem (as a proportion of the drugs used, not in gross consumption) - particularly in BC.
Yeah Vancouver authority is just giving out free drugs now because the government supply is clean.
A solution.
Maybe we should say North America has the problem? Not sure
A solution.
Maybe we should say North America has the problem? Not sure
Don't go wild on opiates anywhere, it's one of the harder manageable addictions.
> Curious about the toxicology report
The report alone wouldn't be sufficient proof either. You can murder someone with fentanyl.
The report alone wouldn't be sufficient proof either. You can murder someone with fentanyl.
Agreed, and the toxicology report can come back with the presence of a recreational drug that is out of character for their use, masking the reality that they thought they were taking a different drug to begin with, while all options could have been tainted with fentanyl
Or nothing at all.
Or there was foul play.
Or there was foul play without the use of drugs.
Or fentanyl use was intentional.
Hoping to rule somethings out!
Or nothing at all.
Or there was foul play.
Or there was foul play without the use of drugs.
Or fentanyl use was intentional.
Hoping to rule somethings out!
This is why autopsies are a thing. The LA County Coroner is one of the biggest in the nation and their forensic pathologists have written a number of textbooks on various subtopics. Generally speaking, forensic pathologists follow a standard process specifically to make sure they avoid missing things. That said, drugs on board has a high rate of being classified as an accident. Not suicide unless they left a note; not homicide unless there’s a suspect or there’s something about the situation that precludes it (e.g. opiates on board but also gunshot to the back of the head).
Doesn't seem like any autopsy would pick up red flags if a killer just slipped some fentanyl into a victim's drink, especially if the victim had any history of drug use at all.
It’s LA so you can just step on a dirty needle. They’re scattered liberally.
That almost certainly wouldn’t kill you - at least not from the opioid. For a personal anecdote, I’ve stepped on a carfentanil dart at a nature preserve that was not properly disposed of and didn’t die. Given how much stronger carfentanil is, I am skeptical that an insulin syringe needle and the extremely small amount of fentanyl that would be on the tip alone could be enough to kill someone. (That being said, I’m also skeptical of all of the “cop faints from fentanyl powder absorbed through skin” claims too.)
Remember the nord ost siege? Where they tried to use aerosolized fentanyl as knockout gas and accidentally killed a bunch of hostages? Fentanyl is crazy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
That’s a terrifying thought. Humane, though.
Can someone please explain to me why "relatively" safe drugs are being cut with Fentanyl, a drug which seems to be killing a lot of people? To me it seems counter-intuitive to kill unsuspecting users of party drugs. If the dealers/manufacturers wanted to make more money, why not just cut it with baking soda?
So we all know that continued use increases your resistance to drugs. With opiates in particular this can reach the point of there being a very small window between chasing the high you want and a lethal dose. You'll note that most opiate deaths are of experienced users for this reason. Being stepped on exacerbates this because you really don't know how much of the drug is actually there.
Fentanyl has become a relatively cheap way of upping the strength of whatever opiate you're selling. It used to be that no one knew how to illegally make fentanyl. Those dogs are long gone.
But there's another aspect to this: if someone overdoses (even dies) from something you as a drug dealer have sold then (as dark as it sounds) that's actually good marketing. That means you have the good stuff. It's shown to increase demand.
The moral of the story is don't get addicted to opiates.
Fentanyl has become a relatively cheap way of upping the strength of whatever opiate you're selling. It used to be that no one knew how to illegally make fentanyl. Those dogs are long gone.
But there's another aspect to this: if someone overdoses (even dies) from something you as a drug dealer have sold then (as dark as it sounds) that's actually good marketing. That means you have the good stuff. It's shown to increase demand.
The moral of the story is don't get addicted to opiates.
But I'm hearing cases of drugs like Cocaine being cut with it, I would say the desired effect of cocaine and opiates is somewhat diametrically opposed
I don't believe dealers are intentionally cutting fentanyl with cocaine. It's more likely a case of cross-contamination.
"National data show that a relatively low percentage of the cocaine tested by law enforcement contains fentanyl, although the mixture has become more common. Less than 1% of the cocaine samples tested by the Drug Enforcement Administration in 2016 contained synthetic opioids, according to figures provided to NPR; in 2020, it was up to 3.3%."
3.3% is a lot higher than I expected, though I wonder if there is a selection bias going on there.
"National data show that a relatively low percentage of the cocaine tested by law enforcement contains fentanyl, although the mixture has become more common. Less than 1% of the cocaine samples tested by the Drug Enforcement Administration in 2016 contained synthetic opioids, according to figures provided to NPR; in 2020, it was up to 3.3%."
3.3% is a lot higher than I expected, though I wonder if there is a selection bias going on there.
Long before fentanyl we had speedballs, which were a mix of cocaine and heroin. This isn't my area of expertise but there seems to be a demand for mixing uppers and lowers like this.
Not quite opposed because neither make you feel sober and sad. Users are accepting of a substitute that still induces euphoria, but by a different mechanism
Great point. The crux of the pure physical addiction, separate from the psychological groundwork that leads you to it, is that you just need more and more of that stuff.
Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is up to 50 times stronger than heroin and 100 times stronger than morphine.
^ Imagine needing more and more of that stuff to get your usual high. You’re dead.
Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is up to 50 times stronger than heroin and 100 times stronger than morphine.
^ Imagine needing more and more of that stuff to get your usual high. You’re dead.
"The moral of the story is don't get addicted to opiates."
That's not how addiction works.
That's not how addiction works.
What I mean is don't use opiates recreationally and use opiate painkillers sparingly.
As an aside, the US has a cultural problem with painkillers it seems. Like the expectation seems to be that painkillers completely remove pain but that's not how it works. Or at least if it does you're overusing painkillers. Painkillers are largely to make pain bearable and manageable not remove it completely.
This attitude seems to be a factor in the overprescription of opiates. I think I read once that if you're still taking painkillers 2 weeks after whatever incident led you to be taking them, there's a 50% chance you'll be taking them in a year.
I've had knee surgery and basically just got given oxycodone and valium. I took them for 2 days and then just used Tylenol (you don't take ibuprofen after surgery apparently).
That's really what I mean by "don't get addicted to opiates". Treat them as dangerous because they are.
As an aside, the US has a cultural problem with painkillers it seems. Like the expectation seems to be that painkillers completely remove pain but that's not how it works. Or at least if it does you're overusing painkillers. Painkillers are largely to make pain bearable and manageable not remove it completely.
This attitude seems to be a factor in the overprescription of opiates. I think I read once that if you're still taking painkillers 2 weeks after whatever incident led you to be taking them, there's a 50% chance you'll be taking them in a year.
I've had knee surgery and basically just got given oxycodone and valium. I took them for 2 days and then just used Tylenol (you don't take ibuprofen after surgery apparently).
That's really what I mean by "don't get addicted to opiates". Treat them as dangerous because they are.
I agree. Its important to remember that some types of pain have the biological purpose of preventing you from overusing an injured part of your body. Masking that with painkillers can give you a fall sense of confidence to continue using parts of your body that in reality should be at rest.
I had my heroin addicted friend explain it to me: they add it because when others hear about the overdose, they will think that it was someone who couldn't handle a potent dose of heroin, not that it was fentanyl. Effectively they go looking for the supposedly potent heroin, advertised by the overdose.
presumably it gets you a better effect than cutting with nonactive substances, meaning the users buy from you instead of the 'weak shit' that's cut with soda
The one other thing other comments haven't mentioned is that it's also extremely small. This makes it much easier to traffic across the US border by land or air. Fentanyl might as well be nanoparticles relative to everything else.
I imagine it's cheaper to produce at least the same result of whatever you're cutting it into.
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> read between the … lines..
Is this implying that cocaine is regularly cut with Fentanyl? My understanding is it is mostly added to Heroin.
Yes, cocaine now regularly has fentanyl in it
Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin
Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl
Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl
Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well
Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.
Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin
Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl
Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl
Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well
Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.
How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country?
I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
> How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country?
Let the CIA do it, again?
Let the CIA do it, again?
Give them away free to addicts under treatment, like in Portugal, which has practically eliminated its drug problem.
Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.
Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.
> the 95% here are no better off than other places
Uhhhh, there is a reason why people from other places want a greencard, even if just to work at minimum wage. The 95% in the US surely are better off than the majority of people in the world?
Uhhhh, there is a reason why people from other places want a greencard, even if just to work at minimum wage. The 95% in the US surely are better off than the majority of people in the world?
Just keep telling yourself that.
Hint: the overwhelming majority of people in the world hardly ever think about America at all, and then usually only when it is forced on them. You mostly only hear about the few who do, and imagine they are typical.
Hint: the overwhelming majority of people in the world hardly ever think about America at all, and then usually only when it is forced on them. You mostly only hear about the few who do, and imagine they are typical.
I’ve visited 20 countries, including the USA for a total of 4 months, and also Kenya (specifically Nairobi).
While I would say the average American is in a similar position to the average European (some things better, some things worse), I think if my options were to switch lives with a random American or a random Kenyan, I’d pick American.
I agree most people don’t care. I didn’t really want to leave the U.K. — where most of my friends were and still are — when the political situation made me feel it was no longer tenable to stay.
While I would say the average American is in a similar position to the average European (some things better, some things worse), I think if my options were to switch lives with a random American or a random Kenyan, I’d pick American.
I agree most people don’t care. I didn’t really want to leave the U.K. — where most of my friends were and still are — when the political situation made me feel it was no longer tenable to stay.
If Kenya is your benchmark, that says something. That on infant mortality we are trailing former SSRs should be troubling.
It’s an anecdote based on personal experience, not a benchmark.
for America fans, American exceptionalism relies on comparing America to the worst managed countries in the world. So you walked right into that. Stick with the comparison to Western and Central Europe because we need to normalize comparing America with developed nations.
The US uniquely has the resources to implement 21st century advances, and just doesn't. This changes when acknowledging what other developed nations have and ignoring the developing ones, let China focus on them thats working out pretty well for them.
The US uniquely has the resources to implement 21st century advances, and just doesn't. This changes when acknowledging what other developed nations have and ignoring the developing ones, let China focus on them thats working out pretty well for them.
Feds will probably end up fighting themselves in some cases yeah
Someone convinced you they stopped?
That might actually work.
Honestly it leads to a state monopoly on distributing pure drugs
Vancouver is doing it
Its just a very very nonconsensus view right now, very fringe
Vancouver is doing it
Its just a very very nonconsensus view right now, very fringe
Fentanyl is added to everything these days. I know someone who got some painkillers from a friend and ended up going to the hospital with a fentanyl overdose, and my drug enthusiast friends test their molly for fentanyl.
Why? Cross contamination because fentanyl is effective at extremely low doses? or is it a really inexpensive adulterant?
I don’t know for certain. But if I were to speculate…
Which country produces the largest share of fentanyl and the chemical precursors for fentanyl? Which country is one of the primary adversaries and rivals of the United States? Which country has first hand historical knowledge of how the illegal trafficking of narcotics can be used as a weapon to undermine and weaken a country?
Which country produces the largest share of fentanyl and the chemical precursors for fentanyl? Which country is one of the primary adversaries and rivals of the United States? Which country has first hand historical knowledge of how the illegal trafficking of narcotics can be used as a weapon to undermine and weaken a country?
They need to ship it to the UK then, straight from Hong Kong for maximum irony and retribution
They do, the UK is absolutely rampant with Asian pills and powders.
What he's referring to is that China is the biggest supplier of fentanyl and equipment to Mexican cartels that traffic it across the US' southern border. That's where most fentanyl comes from. How a country with such strict drug laws (execution) is the world's number one producer of the deadliest drug... doesn't make sense on face value.
Many fentanyl variants are 1000x more effective than regular opiods while at the same time, similar level of cheaper.
To reduce cost, every product is cut with fentanly.
The problem is it's very easy to put more than you actually need. We are talking about mistake of mg or less costing lives here.
To reduce cost, every product is cut with fentanly.
The problem is it's very easy to put more than you actually need. We are talking about mistake of mg or less costing lives here.
That makes sense why opiods and similar drugs would be cut with it, but not why wildly different drugs would be cut with it, no?
> I don’t suspect foul play.
It's at least worth considering reading this as "I don't want to be found dead in a park".
It's at least worth considering reading this as "I don't want to be found dead in a park".
There was two confirmed case of weed containing trace of fentanyl where I live.( Deep South of the Us )
My understanding is the bagging facility being un-tidy and fentanyl contamination being easy.
Two weeks ago I would have say « that a urban legend »
My understanding is the bagging facility being un-tidy and fentanyl contamination being easy.
Two weeks ago I would have say « that a urban legend »
True. Many people use Fentanyl intentionally also though both prescribed and not.
If that's true then it's a perfectly easy thing for someone wanting to take him out to take advantage of. It's like a 'freebie' cover.
Pretty much all illegal drugs that can be laced with fentanyl are laced with fentanyl nowadays. Staying away from it is easier said than done
Staying away from illegal drugs is very easy unless you're already addicted.
Every single street pill or powder is suspect enough to just be rolling dice. Probably dark web too. People think they're taking Xanax...
In many countries (at least in Europe) there are harm reduction associations that can test the product for you at no cost and anonymously. In some cases you can even ask for a GC-MS, which is accurate enough to distinguish even between closely related substances (such as Xanax/alprazolam and other benzodiazepines).
Major US cities have that too, depending on political leaning, but it doesnt really match the user experience
People are doing lines at parties, and more commonly getting in trouble when they use their supply at home by themselves
These services rely on compulsive addicts to walk in, which is often people living on the street searching for the next hit
There are also personal use test kits to help with this
But at this point I’m thinking everyone should have a stash of narcan for resuscitation. Seems like an invisible distant and absurd thing but people are dying, number one killer 18-45 in US… and prevalance and education of narcan helps prevent the death. No different than defibrillators everywhere and fire extuingishers everywhere.
People are doing lines at parties, and more commonly getting in trouble when they use their supply at home by themselves
These services rely on compulsive addicts to walk in, which is often people living on the street searching for the next hit
There are also personal use test kits to help with this
But at this point I’m thinking everyone should have a stash of narcan for resuscitation. Seems like an invisible distant and absurd thing but people are dying, number one killer 18-45 in US… and prevalance and education of narcan helps prevent the death. No different than defibrillators everywhere and fire extuingishers everywhere.
i don't want to attack the person, but calling the death of a person, if it would be a murder/assasination, foulplay makes me sad in any case, even if it was not a murder and it was selfimposed.
that guy in the park surely had other goals in his live most of the time than dying in a park.
i hope he can rest in piece.
that guy in the park surely had other goals in his live most of the time than dying in a park.
i hope he can rest in piece.
Wait, how does this happen if you aren’t intentionally using it? Am I about to die from fentanyl overdosing?
I'm not sure if "exposure" is the right word to use in this context: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lindseyellefson/fentany...
Could you please add a link to a more reputable website? This one blocks European users because GDPR, which in this day and age means the site is either malicious or a misinformation cesspool.
Or Covid vaccine.
This is probably a good reminder to anyone reading: if you can, get yourself naloxone and keep it with your first-aid supplies. You can get it without a prescription in most places, and there are many programs that will give you a few doses for free. It is easy to administer[0], and it has no effect on people without opiates in their system[1]. You may never need it, but having it handy it can mean the difference between life and death.
[0]: https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/12028.pdf [1]: https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/naloxone
[0]: https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/12028.pdf [1]: https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/naloxone
I did the NYS training and have been carrying it for a couple years. They didn't have it for free due to the pandemic but they should again now that they're doing in person training again. I work in theater and comedy a bit and have multiple friends who are recovering addicts. I let folks there and in my apt building know that I keep it on me as part of my first aid stuff. I hope I never have to use it, but I'm glad I'm prepared if it's needed.
That's really awesome of you. I work in nightlife occasionally, and I keep a few doses with me (graciously provided from a local mutual aid network). The events I work with almost always have some stashed in their first aid as well. It's a sad thing to have to plan for, but it's really nice to work with folks who take overdoses seriously.
That's awesome of you, too! It's sad that it's needed, but I'm glad it exists. And here's hoping we never need it.
Clearly only a drug user would be insane to whistleblow these days.
Everyone else is just covering their own ass
Don't worry, markets solve everything :)
Everyone else is just covering their own ass
Don't worry, markets solve everything :)
Title makes it seem like foul play, but I personally think not given the tumultuous history of the man being discussed (rip).
Eg: There was a similar HN post when the same man went missing (almost exactly one year ago to the date):
Deutsche Bank Whistleblower Vanishes
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26922463
Eg: There was a similar HN post when the same man went missing (almost exactly one year ago to the date):
Deutsche Bank Whistleblower Vanishes
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26922463
I also think people have a tendency to underestimate the massive psychological pressure that comes from being a whistleblower in cases like this that involve governments and large, powerful organisations like Deutsche Bank.
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For the conspiracy-minded here, I ask: Why would any organization bother to murder a whistleblower who delivered documents over a year ago? He's no longer relevant.
Why is the US still trying to prosecute Edward Snowden almost 10 years after his leak? Or is that a conspiracy as well?
Any unethical organization wants to make one thing clear to potential whislteblowers: actually going through with it will mean you will be hounded for your entire life in various ways, legal or illegal.
If it were enough to lay low for one year after leaking sensitive documents, and then all would be forgiven, many more people would leak things. Powerful organizations of any kind (corporations, unions, state agencies) don't want to allow that.
Note: I am not claiming this MUST have been foul play. I'm just claiming it can't be dismissed a priori with such arguments.
Any unethical organization wants to make one thing clear to potential whislteblowers: actually going through with it will mean you will be hounded for your entire life in various ways, legal or illegal.
If it were enough to lay low for one year after leaking sensitive documents, and then all would be forgiven, many more people would leak things. Powerful organizations of any kind (corporations, unions, state agencies) don't want to allow that.
Note: I am not claiming this MUST have been foul play. I'm just claiming it can't be dismissed a priori with such arguments.
Snowden was a government employee, mostly through a contractor IIRC, there’s a huge deference. The Feds have the largest resources in the world and will wait decade(s) if they need to.
They are trying to make an example out of Snowden to deter someone doing something similar in the future.
They are trying to make an example out of Snowden to deter someone doing something similar in the future.
Why is Assange still imprisoned? The Swiss state does the same with some whistleblowers and their own citizens have to hide abroad. They are considered traitors (Well, they are to the criminal enterprise technically).
I don't know anything about this case and it doesn't seem plausible that anyone had him killed. But the release of panama papers did also lead to the sudden death of a few people.
I don't know anything about this case and it doesn't seem plausible that anyone had him killed. But the release of panama papers did also lead to the sudden death of a few people.
> The Swiss state does the same with some whistleblowers and their own citizens have to hide abroad
As a Swiss I have never heard about this but it does sound very interesting. Do you have any sources for this?
As a Swiss I have never heard about this but it does sound very interesting. Do you have any sources for this?
Not on hand really. This was a pretty prominent case, but not the only one:
https://taxjustice.net/2017/06/02/whistleblower-ruedi-elmer-...
There was also the case of Eckart Seith. He was very recently acquitted probably because the issue gained too much attention to cover it up. He was accused of economic espionage and other crimes. The prosecutor very clearly was partial and only after 5 attempts he was dismissed.
This isn't restricted to Switzerland at all of course, similar problems are as prevalent in other countries if you look closer.
https://taxjustice.net/2017/06/02/whistleblower-ruedi-elmer-...
There was also the case of Eckart Seith. He was very recently acquitted probably because the issue gained too much attention to cover it up. He was accused of economic espionage and other crimes. The prosecutor very clearly was partial and only after 5 attempts he was dismissed.
This isn't restricted to Switzerland at all of course, similar problems are as prevalent in other countries if you look closer.
Interesting, surprised that I never heard about this case.
As glad as I am to be born and living in Switzerland, it makes me sad to see how much BS my country does in the background, be it banking, resource industry like Glencore, food industry like Nestle etc. And due to our small size it seems like not many scandals leak or come to light, not even internally.
Of course Credit Suisse and UBS get slapped with fines almost every year it seems, but that feels more like a show than anything more.
As glad as I am to be born and living in Switzerland, it makes me sad to see how much BS my country does in the background, be it banking, resource industry like Glencore, food industry like Nestle etc. And due to our small size it seems like not many scandals leak or come to light, not even internally.
Of course Credit Suisse and UBS get slapped with fines almost every year it seems, but that feels more like a show than anything more.
I'm not into conspiracies, but it could be a deterrent for future whistleblowers.
"We'll get you when you think you've gotten away. You'll never be safe."
"We'll get you when you think you've gotten away. You'll never be safe."
Old Latin and Chinese wisdom of about 2000 years ago. “Unum castigabis centum emendabis”, “punish one, teach a hundred” (can't write it in Chinese, sorry.) Made popular again by Mao Zedong about 50 years ago.
Revenge? Retribution? Vengeance? Retaliation?
There is a reason why the witness protection program allows people to change identity for life and not just for the time they're relevant.
There is a reason why the witness protection program allows people to change identity for life and not just for the time they're relevant.
> He's no longer relevant.
Because the goal is not to per se bury the story, but to intimidate others whom might want to leak
You don't murder these whom are on the spotlight, you murder them after they have left the spotlight and their deaths would be less covered by mainstream media outlets
Because the goal is not to per se bury the story, but to intimidate others whom might want to leak
You don't murder these whom are on the spotlight, you murder them after they have left the spotlight and their deaths would be less covered by mainstream media outlets
To make a point? You do this to us - we do this to you. No statute of limitations.
Well at this point is this even able to be considered a conspiracy.
We all know what happened. Its sad hes dead obviously. But the feds should've protected their assets better.
We all know what happened. Its sad hes dead obviously. But the feds should've protected their assets better.
> We all know what happened.
Worth a watch [0], it's not his first (or his father's) run-in with these matters.
0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXVVK5mokKw
Worth a watch [0], it's not his first (or his father's) run-in with these matters.
0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXVVK5mokKw
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Would apparently giving away $3,000,000,000 make him relevant?
https://nitter.net/i/status/1481500647698493440
https://nitter.net/i/status/1481500647698493440
If we were to believe the tweet, that is $3,000,000,000,000, not 3 billion.
Any entity having something that could actually be exchanged for 3 trillion dollars is obviously impossible, so I see no reason to put any stock in the tweet.
Any entity having something that could actually be exchanged for 3 trillion dollars is obviously impossible, so I see no reason to put any stock in the tweet.
"Enrich also wrote that Broeksmit had drug use issues and would often bend the truth to come up with “far-fetched theories.” But Broeksmit was a central figure in Enrich’s book..."
Sounds pretty par for the course these days.
Sounds pretty par for the course these days.
- Tovarisch, why did this whistleblower die?
- He ate too much fentanyl.
- Tovarisch, but why is this whistleblower bruised all over his body?
- He didn't want to eat fentanyl.
> fentanyl
This stuff is almost mythical at this point. The only place i ever come across it is in news articles from the US.
The fuck you boys doing over there?
This stuff is almost mythical at this point. The only place i ever come across it is in news articles from the US.
The fuck you boys doing over there?
Europe has the "advantage" of being on the same landmass as Afghanistan, which produces 90% of the opium and with it heroin consumed in the world, which means our drug addicts have somewhat better access than the US which mostly relies on overseas imports of illicit drugs other than cannabis.
Wasn't the CIA also a big heroin dealer during the Afgan war, with military planes with "unspecified" cargo constantly taking off from there, so they can earn money for their black-ops projects?
Sure, "for the ... projects. Yeah, for them!"
Just like Iran-Contra was about selling missiles to Iran to, er ... arm Contras! In fact there was never a speck of evidence where any of the missile money went. But CIA officers retire oddly comfortably, as a rule.
They also imported ton after ton of cocaine to sell into LA to get black kids addicted. My brother used to see them unloading, off on the other side of the airport.
Just like Iran-Contra was about selling missiles to Iran to, er ... arm Contras! In fact there was never a speck of evidence where any of the missile money went. But CIA officers retire oddly comfortably, as a rule.
They also imported ton after ton of cocaine to sell into LA to get black kids addicted. My brother used to see them unloading, off on the other side of the airport.
Citations across the globe are screaming in agony over how bad they’re needed here
As long as you're relying on arguing with random internet commenters, and not reading for yourself, you can continue to live in pleasant bliss for the remainder of your life! Don't let us stop you!
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Source? I don't believe Afghanistan produces most of the world's heroin anymore, its actually illegal to grow under the Taliban
Blow, we imagine.
Funny, I know two people who've died from it.
It's cheap and effective. Not even that dangerous but we treat our addicts like dog shit.
John Oliver on the topic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpCGD7b_H4
John Oliver on the topic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpCGD7b_H4
Definitely suicide. Shot himself five times in the back of the head.
It’s a shame that the people who leveraged his documents so heavily couldn’t help him more.
What was the problem with Trump using Deutsche Bank?
Is it me or is there absolutely no meat there?
The logic basically seems to be Trump uses DB, DB does business in Russia, therefore ...
The logic basically seems to be Trump uses DB, DB does business in Russia, therefore ...
At the end of the article there is a fairly good summery. Trump borrowed money from Deutsche Bank at apparent favorable terms. At the same time period, Deutsche Bank was been scrutinized and fined for its dealings in Russia, converting rubles into dollars in ways that bypass money laundering laws.
It's possibly an intermediary for him and other bad actors, we don't know who has possibly underwritten some loans etc..
Some specific claims: https://www.ft.com/content/a50622ce-97e1-471a-b99c-e92e7fc36...
> “Without this deferral, the hotel may have needed to pay tens of millions of additional dollars to Deutsche Bank at a time when it was already facing steep losses,” the report stated, adding: “Mr Trump did not publicly disclose this significant benefit from a foreign bank while he was president.”
The President is not supposed to accept large undisclosed gifts from foreign companies, it looks like bribery.
Nobody has managed to directly connect Trump to money laundering. Trump collaborators, though? Paul Manafort, his campaign director, was convicted of money laundering and illegal payments from the Russian-sponsored Yanukovych government of Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort
> “Without this deferral, the hotel may have needed to pay tens of millions of additional dollars to Deutsche Bank at a time when it was already facing steep losses,” the report stated, adding: “Mr Trump did not publicly disclose this significant benefit from a foreign bank while he was president.”
The President is not supposed to accept large undisclosed gifts from foreign companies, it looks like bribery.
Nobody has managed to directly connect Trump to money laundering. Trump collaborators, though? Paul Manafort, his campaign director, was convicted of money laundering and illegal payments from the Russian-sponsored Yanukovych government of Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort
tl;dr No bank was willing to loan him money and DB was desperately trying to become more relevant, so they facilitated Trump loaning from Russian investors. In a not so kosher way (ie, money laundering).
Practically everything you wrote is conjecture. There is zero evidence DB was a middleman for Russian investors for Trump loans. There is evidence DB was laundering money for shady Russians, however there is zero evidence any of that is linked to Trump.
I have no idea how to respond to this quickly without rehashing a dozen articles/reports. What I've stated has been clearly established.
I always find it interesting how the mere political nature of it makes this benign idea something that needs to be proved.
woaaaaahhhhh an investing syndicate filled a large loan facilitated by a broker, shut down anyone looking at who the investors were
the word choice of "evidence" is so strange to me. I don't really care, I sell trinkets and ad space to all parties and their fans, I just think what people decide to be polarizing is so comical
woaaaaahhhhh an investing syndicate filled a large loan facilitated by a broker, shut down anyone looking at who the investors were
the word choice of "evidence" is so strange to me. I don't really care, I sell trinkets and ad space to all parties and their fans, I just think what people decide to be polarizing is so comical
https://www.fastcompany.com/90464228/the-journalist-who-reve...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-...
None of those articles back up the points made by the parent comment. It's a very big leap to go from "DB launders money for Russias" to "DB's loans to Trump had Russian counterparties" -- a completely unproven claim.
As for Trump receiving Russian money for run-of-the-mill apartment sales, isn't this a giant reach? The customers for those products are traditionally wealthy foreigners. Why is it fundamentally different if he sells an apartment decades ago to a wealthy Russian versus a wealthy Luxembourgian banker?
It's such a huge leap. Russians purchased apartments therefore he's backed by the Kremlin decades later? That's extraordinarily hard to believe, considering Trump was a major underdog when he announced and only became a frontrunner after Clinton's "pied piper strategy" elevated him deliberately. [1] Was HRC a Russian asset by providing priceless media attention to the underdog?
[1] https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaig...
As for Trump receiving Russian money for run-of-the-mill apartment sales, isn't this a giant reach? The customers for those products are traditionally wealthy foreigners. Why is it fundamentally different if he sells an apartment decades ago to a wealthy Russian versus a wealthy Luxembourgian banker?
It's such a huge leap. Russians purchased apartments therefore he's backed by the Kremlin decades later? That's extraordinarily hard to believe, considering Trump was a major underdog when he announced and only became a frontrunner after Clinton's "pied piper strategy" elevated him deliberately. [1] Was HRC a Russian asset by providing priceless media attention to the underdog?
[1] https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaig...
DB is a big bank with plenty of money to loan out without relying on Russian money.
Unless some dubious Russians guaranteed the loans to Trump then what is the problem?
Unless some dubious Russians guaranteed the loans to Trump then what is the problem?
You're missing the point that no bank wanted to loan Trump money. This was the wealth unit of DB, not DB proper, because they were already having problems getting their money back from Trump. The wealth unit was a way to connect foreign investors and loanees, meaning they didn't have to put up their own money and could avoid regulations around banking loans.
The claim that DB's Trump loans had Russian counterparties is unproven speculation. That's the bottom line. There isn't a single piece of evidence to support the claim.
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How/why doesn't the article mention his last tweet thread??
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1254006990440763393.html
Obviously the thought that David Enrich from the NYT destroyed his life....
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1254006990440763393.html
Obviously the thought that David Enrich from the NYT destroyed his life....
That's not his last tweet thread. as TFA mentions, they were tweeting until Jan this year, or almost 2 years later: https://nitter.net/BikiniRobotArmy
And he was tweeting in Jan 2022 about giving away $3 Trillion!
It does mention that his Twitter account remained active even after he "disappeared": I have no idea what he was talking about here though https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1482324863591145476.html - I wonder if he did...
[25 Apr. 2020]
Yes.
Found dead exactly 2 years after those last tweets.
Found dead exactly 2 years after those last tweets.
Huh? Two whole years and the exact day is supposed to be meaningful? Why? That’s basically the exact definition of a coincidence.
I noted in the previous thread: Here’s a previous article David (the subject of the tweets) wrote about Val for the NYT. [0] After reading it, my take is that the comments were hostile, but I don’t suspect any foul play between the two. Just two men who, despite not necessarily respecting the other, worked together to further their own agendas.
An excerpt: “... the Broeksmit family have warned me that Mr. Broeksmit is not to be trusted, and, well, they might have a point. His drug use has sent him reeling between manias and stupors. He has a maddening habit of leaping to outrageous conclusions and then bending facts to fit far-fetched theories. He fantasizes about seeing his story told by Hollywood, and I sometimes wonder whether he’s manipulating me to achieve that ambition. He can be impatient, erratic and abusive. A few days ago, irate that he was not named in a blurb for my book on Amazon, among other perceived slights, he sent me a string of texts claiming that he’d taken out a brokerage account in my name and traded on secret information I’d supposedly fed him. (This is not true.) A little later, he left me a voice mail message saying it was all a joke. Why do I put up with this? Because his trove of corporate emails, financial materials, boardroom presentations and legal reports is credible — even if he is not. “
Probably more relevant that his father was a Deutsch Bank exec who committed suicide, and he seemed to be shopping the leaks around for some time. Or that he was an apparent opioid user.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-de...
I noted in the previous thread: Here’s a previous article David (the subject of the tweets) wrote about Val for the NYT. [0] After reading it, my take is that the comments were hostile, but I don’t suspect any foul play between the two. Just two men who, despite not necessarily respecting the other, worked together to further their own agendas.
An excerpt: “... the Broeksmit family have warned me that Mr. Broeksmit is not to be trusted, and, well, they might have a point. His drug use has sent him reeling between manias and stupors. He has a maddening habit of leaping to outrageous conclusions and then bending facts to fit far-fetched theories. He fantasizes about seeing his story told by Hollywood, and I sometimes wonder whether he’s manipulating me to achieve that ambition. He can be impatient, erratic and abusive. A few days ago, irate that he was not named in a blurb for my book on Amazon, among other perceived slights, he sent me a string of texts claiming that he’d taken out a brokerage account in my name and traded on secret information I’d supposedly fed him. (This is not true.) A little later, he left me a voice mail message saying it was all a joke. Why do I put up with this? Because his trove of corporate emails, financial materials, boardroom presentations and legal reports is credible — even if he is not. “
Probably more relevant that his father was a Deutsch Bank exec who committed suicide, and he seemed to be shopping the leaks around for some time. Or that he was an apparent opioid user.
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/business/val-broeksmit-de...
> Huh? Two whole years and the exact day is supposed to be meaningful? Why? That’s basically the exact definition of a coincidence.
A murderer might choose a meaningful date to send a message. Conversely, a suicidal person might take their life on a date that’s meaningful to them. Or, it could be coincidence. Hard to tell for sure.
A murderer might choose a meaningful date to send a message. Conversely, a suicidal person might take their life on a date that’s meaningful to them. Or, it could be coincidence. Hard to tell for sure.
Little embarrassing you had to spell this out for them — who reads a story like this and starts seeing coincidences?!
Stay away from sources of fentanyl folks
Anybody 45 and under randomly dying these days is most likely from exposure to fentanyl. Doesnt matter what other stuff theyre up to, how much you respect them or if would find it “disrespectful” to say they used certain drugs. Most people arent intentionally using it.
https://www.abc12.com/news/fentanyl-number-one-cause-of-deat...
Anyway just a PSA. Curious about the toxicology report just like everyone else in the article said, but understanding how it occurs lets you read between the … lines... even when the report comes out.