Schools Are Spending Billions on High-Tech Defense for Mass Shootings(nytimes.com)
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Schools Are Spending Billions on High-Tech Defense for Mass Shootings
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/26/business/school-safety-technology.html
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The ZeroEyes service can cost $5,000 per month for a single high school with 200 cameras. Mr. Watts, whose district uses the service across 250 school cameras, said the cost was worth it.
For some reason there is always money for this nonsense but not things like free lunch or even like projector bulb replacements.
For some reason there is always money for this nonsense but not things like free lunch or even like projector bulb replacements.
Large segments of America have free lunch. Some segments don’t because we let them run their districts of the empire how they want to run them. Some segments of America have installed these cameras, most have not. Do you have any evidence that there is a single region of America where they have both installed these cameras and refused to have free lunches or are you just low brow bashing on America?
The school district mentioned in the article that bought the system does not regularly provide free school lunches except for the 2021-2022 school year. Oxford Community Schools (called out by ZeroEyes in a press release) also does not provide free lunch.
> On average, the NSLP provided low-cost or free lunches to 29.6 million children each school day in fiscal year (FY) 2019, at a total cost of $14.2 billion.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/ch...
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/ch...
This doesn’t contradict anything I said. The stats on the page you linked don’t mention anything about universal free lunch. Sorry but I think we should feed all our students before we waste money on buying into marketing hype.
What are cameras going to do to stop an active shooter?
At best it can help guide the police, but that's a tall order in the moments that matter.
At best it can help guide the police, but that's a tall order in the moments that matter.
The systems are designed to enrich some tech companies who have relationships with schools, and let school administrators hire more staff and speak to parents about how they are doing something.
The police who are waiting outside for an hour?
Correction: the police who get their own kids out and then wait outside for an hour.
Maybe the cameras can get some footage of the cops arresting parents afterwards!
Three above posters should be ashamed.
This isn't reddit, nobody thinks you all are clever.
If "dancing on the graves of dead children" actually meant something, posting snarky one-liners from the safety of your privileged lives to jerk each other off for invisible points that nobody else can even see, would probably count.
This isn't reddit, nobody thinks you all are clever.
If "dancing on the graves of dead children" actually meant something, posting snarky one-liners from the safety of your privileged lives to jerk each other off for invisible points that nobody else can even see, would probably count.
> Three above posters should be ashamed.
For what? Calling out the abject failure of the State's goons in fulfilling their "Protect And Serve" marketing slogan? Voicing a lack of trust in said goons of the State to actually do the right thing?
If "dancing on the graves of dead children" actually meant something, using fear of mass shootings to sell boondoggles on the basis of "think of the children" would absolutely count.
For what? Calling out the abject failure of the State's goons in fulfilling their "Protect And Serve" marketing slogan? Voicing a lack of trust in said goons of the State to actually do the right thing?
If "dancing on the graves of dead children" actually meant something, using fear of mass shootings to sell boondoggles on the basis of "think of the children" would absolutely count.
I'm sure the cops that sat idly by are also the same ones with a Powerpoint trying to sell AI/ML snake oil to school districts.
you made a shitty remark with no purpose other to gloat in the tragedy.
some heal through humor, but making the same "cops bad upvote please" remarks is not that, that is a sick quip by an attention-seeking individual.
you made a shitty remark with no purpose other to gloat in the tragedy.
some heal through humor, but making the same "cops bad upvote please" remarks is not that, that is a sick quip by an attention-seeking individual.
> I'm sure the cops that sat idly by are also the same ones with a Powerpoint trying to sell AI/ML snake oil to school districts.
Coward cops and tools enabling cops to be cowards sure go hand in hand, yes.
> you made a shitty remark with no purpose other to gloat in the tragedy.
Correction: I made a shitty remark with no purpose other than to call out LEOs for the cowards they are. That you're so offended by me ribbing the poor widdle police officers for their utter incompetence speaks volumes.
Coward cops and tools enabling cops to be cowards sure go hand in hand, yes.
> you made a shitty remark with no purpose other to gloat in the tragedy.
Correction: I made a shitty remark with no purpose other than to call out LEOs for the cowards they are. That you're so offended by me ribbing the poor widdle police officers for their utter incompetence speaks volumes.
The police who should have responded in a timely fashion should be ashamed
We need legislation to fix these issues but all we get are these business contracts that do nothing but line the pockets of politicians and their friends
We need legislation to fix these issues but all we get are these business contracts that do nothing but line the pockets of politicians and their friends
The police aren't going to read your comments, those actually victimized, far more likely.
There are far more family and friends of victims in Uvalde, much more likely to find your heinous comment, trying to make light of a tragedy, absolutely needlessly.
You are not commenting on a CFR document, furthering public discourse.
You can dress it up all you want, these comments are disgusting, do nothing to add value to any sane discourse in any way, and are a direct attempt to make a small dopamine hit for yourself, all from a tragedy that I am sure you believe you personally would had superman'd into.
no good faith thoughts, just shit keyboard drivel. disgusting, you and all the thoughtless NPC's that further endow snarky dim-witted remarks from a national tragedy should be ashamed -- had you had an ounce of agency, an iota of empathy, a semblance of self-reflection...
"should be ashamed"...yea, let us hear what you know of shame
There are far more family and friends of victims in Uvalde, much more likely to find your heinous comment, trying to make light of a tragedy, absolutely needlessly.
You are not commenting on a CFR document, furthering public discourse.
You can dress it up all you want, these comments are disgusting, do nothing to add value to any sane discourse in any way, and are a direct attempt to make a small dopamine hit for yourself, all from a tragedy that I am sure you believe you personally would had superman'd into.
no good faith thoughts, just shit keyboard drivel. disgusting, you and all the thoughtless NPC's that further endow snarky dim-witted remarks from a national tragedy should be ashamed -- had you had an ounce of agency, an iota of empathy, a semblance of self-reflection...
"should be ashamed"...yea, let us hear what you know of shame
I see a system that encourages school shootings and at least in theory tries to compensate by having a police force enforce the law and maintain safety. That police force has been exposed as incredibly corrupt when it counts. Politicians have decided that they don't value inclusiveness, that they would rather abandon people and deal with the aftermath than address the problems that lead up to school shootings in the first place. They have also given up on having a respectable police force.
Your comments ring hollow because you haven't provided any evidence or counterargument that the police fulfilled their duty properly and that the deaths were at least unavoidable the moment the shooting started.
Your comments ring hollow because you haven't provided any evidence or counterargument that the police fulfilled their duty properly and that the deaths were at least unavoidable the moment the shooting started.
Your outrage should be directed at the uvalde cops or the shooter, buddy.
Those actually victimized are suing the officers themselves: https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-sc...
> The police aren't going to read your comments, those actually victimized, far more likely.
There are far more cops than there are even acquaintances of mass shooting victims (let alone family/friends, let alone the victims themselves). Statistically speaking, your statement is in all likelihood the opposite of correct.
> all from a tragedy that I am sure you believe you personally would had superman'd into.
Unlike a cop, I don't put on a badge and uniform and go around insisting that I should be given special legal privileges and immunities on the basis of protecting innocent lives from crime.
Your anger is misplaced. Instead of directing it at those who allow tragedies like that of Robb Elementary School to happen under their noses, you instead choose to shoot the messenger. Criticisms of the Thin Blue Line hitting a bit close to home there, bud?
There are far more cops than there are even acquaintances of mass shooting victims (let alone family/friends, let alone the victims themselves). Statistically speaking, your statement is in all likelihood the opposite of correct.
> all from a tragedy that I am sure you believe you personally would had superman'd into.
Unlike a cop, I don't put on a badge and uniform and go around insisting that I should be given special legal privileges and immunities on the basis of protecting innocent lives from crime.
Your anger is misplaced. Instead of directing it at those who allow tragedies like that of Robb Elementary School to happen under their noses, you instead choose to shoot the messenger. Criticisms of the Thin Blue Line hitting a bit close to home there, bud?
>thoughtless NPC's
4chan qanon mask off I see! Very interesting, everyone knows the type of person that uses these phrases
Are you red pilled or black pilled bro?
4chan qanon mask off I see! Very interesting, everyone knows the type of person that uses these phrases
Are you red pilled or black pilled bro?
Heh if I read that comment first I wouldn't have bothered replying to the idiot.
It's amazing how a small phrase used in that way is so revealing.
It's amazing how a small phrase used in that way is so revealing.
Yeah! We lick boots around here and we've grown to love it! Don't question the dead children, just keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
Remember, the cops announced they definitely didn't shoot any children. Totally unprompted. Yea, nothing suspicious here
Those cops definitely shot kids
Those cops definitely shot kids
I'm sorry, but we pay a premium for the "security" provided by our police forces, and I expect better from them. No one is gloating, if you read it that way, I don't believe it was intended to be.
The fact our courts have decided that the police are unaccountable for both active harm they cause, and harm through negligence is a huge problem for a lot of the citizenry.
The fact our courts have decided that the police are unaccountable for both active harm they cause, and harm through negligence is a huge problem for a lot of the citizenry.
Treating a symptom rather than the disease always works so well.
The only realistic solution is machine-gun toting robots.
It’s not a bad solution, as long as the robot is remotely controlled by a human and has no autonomous capability. It can just sit in a closet unless it’s required.
Boston Dynamics’ Spot would actually be pretty great, again with no autonomous capability.
Boston Dynamics’ Spot would actually be pretty great, again with no autonomous capability.
Are you implying that if one were to give school shooters a job with a good salary they will voluntarily give up on starting the shooting and just be content operating their robots without actually shooting kids as that would lose them their job?
I mean, the other interpretation is that school shooters use these robots to shoot the school up.
I mean, the other interpretation is that school shooters use these robots to shoot the school up.
Dressed like the squid game personnel
No no, you see the way forward is to give guns to all the children. A good child with a gun can take out a bad child with a gun!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk
far more cheap it's regulating weapons like we do on Europe.
I would normally have supported you without reservation, but after the shooting in Oslo, Norway last weekend - two killed, about twenty harmed, Pride/the LGBTQ+ community was probably the target and all Pride arrangements in most major cities are cancelled/delayed (50 year anniversary for decriminalization of msm) - I am less optimistic
The shooter has multiple convictions for violence, is treated for paranoid schizophrenia, had known relations to a radicalized Islamist community, and was interviewed by the security service in May. He had about every red flag you can think of. Yet, he was able to get access to a an automatic weapon of some sort, despite the regulations having become stricter after the terror attack in 2011
The shooter has multiple convictions for violence, is treated for paranoid schizophrenia, had known relations to a radicalized Islamist community, and was interviewed by the security service in May. He had about every red flag you can think of. Yet, he was able to get access to a an automatic weapon of some sort, despite the regulations having become stricter after the terror attack in 2011
It's the state of the people, not the law, that determines how safe a place is. The law can debase people and it can point them towards morality, but just taking guns away won't do either of those things.
Well said and succinct. Prisons are an example - rules make it safe; people make it violent.
Unfortunately, the US is not Europe. There are already millions of guns in circulation, and a relatively porous border to the south through which enormous volumes of smuggling routinely take place. Even if you were able to muster support for a blanket ban on firearms, you would need to propose a credible means through which to recover the guns in circulation and prevent their replacement through illegal traffic.
It would behoove your analysis to consider American gun legislation through this lens. It might even prompt an original thought.
It would behoove your analysis to consider American gun legislation through this lens. It might even prompt an original thought.
Cancel student loans for guns program.
As with so many gun contol measures, that will vastly increase gun sales, just for a different reason. They'll immediately be traded in, but still, good money for the manufacturers and retailers.
If gun manufacturers want to make school free, fine. What else should be free next, healthcare?
The Venn diagram of responsible gun owners and fiscally irresponsible entitled lazy bones is two disjointed circles.
I’ll bite. And the second part?
How do you expect that to work in the US?
Reminds me of a time in middle school, before all this school shooter nonsense; a friends father was moving his kids to private school and when I asked why, I was told he wanted them in a safer (richer) school. I was confused and replied that our school was safe, "we have full time cops at the school" - his reply was, "exactly, the point is that there shouldn't be". It was profound for me at the time, and thinking about it - it was normal to look out the class window and see cop cars and k-9s and hear stories about drugs and weapons being found. Classrooms were packed and teachers still didn't get much support from the district.