Ask HN: What is this aversion to Rust on online forums about?
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Reading the thread it seems people complain that the source code is not available, and that posting this (very nice) app using the "Rust" keyword might therefore be perceived as clickbait, as people would of course like to see how it's done in Rust. I tend to agree as I would like to learn more about the app (since I've done Rust development for mobile and am curious how e.g. you generate bindings etc.), but unfortunately that seems nowhere to be found.
Rust language has pros and cons, like everything. Rust community sometimes exhibits this "everything needs to be rewritten in our favorite toy language, NOW" attitude that reminds me of worst times of Java hype.
Then again, every attempt at dethroning C++ came with it's own crowd of fanatic cultists, so maybe it's just that C++ is cursed.
Then again, every attempt at dethroning C++ came with it's own crowd of fanatic cultists, so maybe it's just that C++ is cursed.
I hate Rust. It's too time inefficient and hard to learn and the error messages don't make sense.
There is already too mich choice in tools to use and its community is very Hipster.
It has a steep learning curve, no two ways about it.
In return you get a lot of power, and eliminate several broad categories of bug for zero performance cost. How many competing tools offer that?
Personally I find the errors quite helpful, but I come from the land of late 90s C++ template vomit...
If you want to build a webapp it's probably a daft choice (for example) but for several other wide categories of software it's truly groundbreaking.
In return you get a lot of power, and eliminate several broad categories of bug for zero performance cost. How many competing tools offer that?
Personally I find the errors quite helpful, but I come from the land of late 90s C++ template vomit...
If you want to build a webapp it's probably a daft choice (for example) but for several other wide categories of software it's truly groundbreaking.
Perhaps the actual question would be why Rust is being talked about so much in online forums. The answer is possibly active marketing that went viral and thus organic, although I assume the active part has gone down after Mozilla let many of those people go.
Honestly no idea. I would ignore them. App looks nice.
It's not like there is aversion overall; you're seeing two effects:
1. people being really excited by Rust, learning Rust, using it for hobby projects, rewriting things in Rust etc.
1.1. sometimes the excitement has downsides - people get carried way, they get too preachy, they exaggerate how good it is, they insist on using Rust in places where it doesn't belong, they refuse to listen to criticism, they bring it up any time programming languages are discussed, they start acting a bit cult-ish
2. as a result of 1.1, when a positive Rust post comes up some people will have a negative reaction. Sometimes it's negative in a reasonable way that counteracts the exaggerated excitement and sometimes it's a more general feeling of "oh not this again".
So some people have aversion to Rust some of the time, there's still plenty of other people who like Rust or don't care too much about it either way.
1. people being really excited by Rust, learning Rust, using it for hobby projects, rewriting things in Rust etc.
1.1. sometimes the excitement has downsides - people get carried way, they get too preachy, they exaggerate how good it is, they insist on using Rust in places where it doesn't belong, they refuse to listen to criticism, they bring it up any time programming languages are discussed, they start acting a bit cult-ish
2. as a result of 1.1, when a positive Rust post comes up some people will have a negative reaction. Sometimes it's negative in a reasonable way that counteracts the exaggerated excitement and sometimes it's a more general feeling of "oh not this again".
So some people have aversion to Rust some of the time, there's still plenty of other people who like Rust or don't care too much about it either way.
But I feel like there's some deeper story about Rust that I've missed and am out of the loop now.
Well, to me Rust is just a tool that I've discovered, it meet my expectations so I started using it.
Only then I've started noticing comments on reddit or whatever like "bleh, not Rust again" and really don't get why a programming language can be so triggering to people.
Well, to me Rust is just a tool that I've discovered, it meet my expectations so I started using it.
Only then I've started noticing comments on reddit or whatever like "bleh, not Rust again" and really don't get why a programming language can be so triggering to people.
Honestly I think jstx1 nailed it. There have been a lot of posts here and elsewhere of the form "I [re]wrote ${mundane tool} in Rust!" and while there's nothing wrong with that people (especially ones NOT interested in Rust) are tired of it. I felt the same way about Erlang a few years back. So it's part of the natural ebb and flow I think.
There were quite a few comments in a tone like I've offended their mother because I said the word "Rust".
What is it about?
I've never seen anything like this regarding other tool/programming language...