Apple's Hold on the App Store Is Loosening, at Least in Europe(wsj.com)
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Apple's Hold on the App Store Is Loosening, at Least in Europe
https://www.wsj.com/tech/epic-games-apple-app-store-europe-44ceda50
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FYI, the Apple flow of installing the third-party marketplace is (unsurprisingly) designed to be a pain in the ass.
Here's the general experience:
https://adamdemasi.com/2024/04/19/app-marketplace-experience...
For me, installing the Epic Games Store was such a weird experience that felt very un-Apple-like.
I recommend people (in EU) try it out for themselves just to see what it's like: https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/mobile/ios.
Here's the general experience:
https://adamdemasi.com/2024/04/19/app-marketplace-experience...
For me, installing the Epic Games Store was such a weird experience that felt very un-Apple-like.
I recommend people (in EU) try it out for themselves just to see what it's like: https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/mobile/ios.
>Here's the general experience:
>https://adamdemasi.com/2024/04/19/app-marketplace-experience...
The guide on alt store only lists 3 steps[1]. The link you posted is breaking those steps into as many steps as possible for dramatic effect.
[1] https://altstore.io/download
>https://adamdemasi.com/2024/04/19/app-marketplace-experience...
The guide on alt store only lists 3 steps[1]. The link you posted is breaking those steps into as many steps as possible for dramatic effect.
[1] https://altstore.io/download
Even after looking at that, it doesn't seem that bad. It's about the same as installing a management or configuration profile, but arguably, has the potential for more risk to your data privacy, so I wouldn't expect it to be easy.
OK, it could definitely use some more polish, but this is literally the first time Apple has done this.
OK, it could definitely use some more polish, but this is literally the first time Apple has done this.
>The iOS 17.4 app marketplace flow is a disaster
It takes longer to read the article than it does to install an alternate app store.
The authors constant exaggeration for how difficult it is rings like an infomercial
aka: https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaDN6ZjhyemlldTM...
It takes longer to read the article than it does to install an alternate app store.
The authors constant exaggeration for how difficult it is rings like an infomercial
aka: https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaDN6ZjhyemlldTM...
And I don't think the dialogs are malicious or anything, I would do the same thing because I don't want people complaining to me and you have to hammer it into people because no one reads.
Edit: To be clear I'm also in the set of people who don't read.
Edit: To be clear I'm also in the set of people who don't read.
More screens to click through only guarantees that nobody will read them. For a warning to be effective you need to keep it short and simple.
That’s only true if you’re installing many third-party app stores. Showing a warning once, or even a couple times, doesn’t necessarily cause the same desensitization.
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Sure, it could be worse. But it could be better. Compare it to installing fdroid on a stock a droid device.
If Apple hasn't made the experience of installing alternative stores on their phones as simple as installing fdroid on a stock android phone it's not because they can't, but because they don't want to.
And that's fine. That's just another thing the EU can force them to do.
If Apple hasn't made the experience of installing alternative stores on their phones as simple as installing fdroid on a stock android phone it's not because they can't, but because they don't want to.
And that's fine. That's just another thing the EU can force them to do.
I'm sorry but the way they interrupt the flow so many times is ridiculous. It would take minimal changes to make this flow non-disruptive but Apple wants users to drop off as much as possible during installation.
Part of Apple's product pitch is "you can give this phone to No-Tech Uncle Steve, and it'll be fine"
Some of this interruption is to scare off users who will absolutely fuck up their phones with bitcoin mining apps, given the opportunity
You can argue whether this paternalistic approach to technology is appropriate for the entire userbase, but there are definitely a number of cases that Apple is doing a genuinely good thing for their users here.
Some of this interruption is to scare off users who will absolutely fuck up their phones with bitcoin mining apps, given the opportunity
You can argue whether this paternalistic approach to technology is appropriate for the entire userbase, but there are definitely a number of cases that Apple is doing a genuinely good thing for their users here.
>I'm sorry but the way they interrupt the flow so many times is ridiculous.
There's similar number of steps to trust a third party root certificate, or a set a third party DoH provider. Do you also think those tasks should be 1click as well?
There's similar number of steps to trust a third party root certificate, or a set a third party DoH provider. Do you also think those tasks should be 1click as well?
Please, do enlighten us about how voluntarily installing a competing store is in any way similar to installing a third party root certificate.
They're both gatekeepers. One is for iOS apps, the other is for websites. I'm not sure how "voluntarily" is a relevant factor here. People can and do install alternate roots, especially back in the days when letsencrypt didn't exist and the WebTrust/CAB monopoly was charging tens to hundreds of dollars for certificates.
> They're both gatekeepers.
At some point, you go past squinting your eyes very hard straight into non sense you know.
At some point, you go past squinting your eyes very hard straight into non sense you know.
This is not going to fly. The EU will force them to equal the playing field.
EU doesn’t get to make design decisions
From toys to energy products to electronics you can find infinite documents like this https://standards.iteh.ai/catalog/standards/cen/c1efd5d1-79c... regulating and defining a bunch of design choices and characteristics that products need to comply with before they can be imported or sold in Europe. Europe makes a lot of design decisions.
USB-C on iPhone would like to have a word.
Apple made the change outside of the regulation. It already had USB C on the iPad.
It’s going to end up port less like the Apple Watch one day despite EU regulations. Are we going to force Apple to provide a power port? No that’s stupid
It’s going to end up port less like the Apple Watch one day despite EU regulations. Are we going to force Apple to provide a power port? No that’s stupid
Unless we change physics and make wireless charging anywhere nears as efficient as wired charging, I imagine we are going to have a way to charge with a wire for quite some time.
There are scenarios where those wireless inefficiencies add up, for example when charging off a battery bank whose “tank” you need to conserve… burning 40% of your capacity as heat is kind of crappy.
There are scenarios where those wireless inefficiencies add up, for example when charging off a battery bank whose “tank” you need to conserve… burning 40% of your capacity as heat is kind of crappy.
> Apple made the change outside of the regulation.
Apple was forced to make the changes within the regulation.
Apple was forced to make the changes within the regulation.
No, the EU accelerated the timeline but Apple was already en route to USB-C.
It is also worth noting that Apple had already started transitioning some of its products, like the iPad and MacBook, to USB-C before the regulation was finalized. This suggests that Apple was likely already moving in that direction, perhaps due to the technical advantages of USB-C, such as faster data transfer and charging speeds, and the growing adoption of USB-C across the tech industry.
So, while the EU regulation might have accelerated the timeline or made the decision more definitive, it’s possible that Apple was already planning to make the switch eventually. In the end, it seems like a situation where consumer interests and regulatory goals aligned, leading to a positive outcome.
It is also worth noting that Apple had already started transitioning some of its products, like the iPad and MacBook, to USB-C before the regulation was finalized. This suggests that Apple was likely already moving in that direction, perhaps due to the technical advantages of USB-C, such as faster data transfer and charging speeds, and the growing adoption of USB-C across the tech industry.
So, while the EU regulation might have accelerated the timeline or made the decision more definitive, it’s possible that Apple was already planning to make the switch eventually. In the end, it seems like a situation where consumer interests and regulatory goals aligned, leading to a positive outcome.
They won't, but the playing field needs to be the same. If I have to jump unreasonable hurdles it's still anti competitive.
Even on MacOS, Apple will prompt you to delete applications that were installed outside the app store when you try to run them for the first time. They don't provide any instructions on how to disable this 'feature' , I had to look it up online. Enabling the app requires going several menus deep into System Preferences and setting a security toggle.
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Netflix's push into mobile gaming goes another way— distribution is still through the Apple app store, and all the individual titles are $0, but at startup they do a handshake with your Netflix app to make sure you're logged into an active account.
Obviously that doesn't break the stranglehold on the distribution side, so you're still subject to Apple's delays, errors, and moralizing through the review process. And I expect Apple would have something to say about it if the "main app" was in fact taking your money in an a la carte way vs just being a gateway to a subscription. Either way, it's not hard to see how Xbox Game Pass could pursue a similar model and point to what Netflix is doing as being basically the same deal.
Obviously that doesn't break the stranglehold on the distribution side, so you're still subject to Apple's delays, errors, and moralizing through the review process. And I expect Apple would have something to say about it if the "main app" was in fact taking your money in an a la carte way vs just being a gateway to a subscription. Either way, it's not hard to see how Xbox Game Pass could pursue a similar model and point to what Netflix is doing as being basically the same deal.
Great news for Europeans! If only the US actually cared about their citizens.
Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something.
The only thing the US improves in is:
- people dying earlier than their European counterparts
- the price of insulin and healthcare in general is hundreds of times bigger than in other countries
- people being less free than anywhere in Europe: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...
- school shootings numbers rising each year
It feels that the US is "improving" in the wrong direction.
- people dying earlier than their European counterparts
- the price of insulin and healthcare in general is hundreds of times bigger than in other countries
- people being less free than anywhere in Europe: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...
- school shootings numbers rising each year
It feels that the US is "improving" in the wrong direction.
Is it just me or are there more low effort posts like this that seems to do nothing but try and cause a flame war?
As the rules says “ Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.”
As the rules says “ Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.”
Yes, the quality of comments on HN have gone down considerably over the years.
Yes, but a comment like:
> Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something.
is perfectly fine.
On the other hand, somebody questioning what's actually improving in the US is a low quality comment because "it's politics".
The US has regressed down in every possible human development index in the last 2 decades, from happiness and freedoms, to longevity, inequality and societal division.
Here are some receipts:
- Freedom index https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-s...
- Longevity https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819...
- Inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Unite... (inequality, by the way, is inversely correlated to strength of labor unions)
- Medical costs https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capi...
Since when are statistics and facts considered low quality posts and "politics"?
My point is that the low amount of regulation in the US is part of the reasons why US consumers are taking a hit, whether it's monopolistic app stores that can crank prices, exorbitant medical costs, plummeting living standards and rampant inequality, and crashing longevity and happiness.
> Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something.
is perfectly fine.
On the other hand, somebody questioning what's actually improving in the US is a low quality comment because "it's politics".
The US has regressed down in every possible human development index in the last 2 decades, from happiness and freedoms, to longevity, inequality and societal division.
Here are some receipts:
- Freedom index https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-s...
- Longevity https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819...
- Inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Unite... (inequality, by the way, is inversely correlated to strength of labor unions)
- Medical costs https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capi...
Since when are statistics and facts considered low quality posts and "politics"?
My point is that the low amount of regulation in the US is part of the reasons why US consumers are taking a hit, whether it's monopolistic app stores that can crank prices, exorbitant medical costs, plummeting living standards and rampant inequality, and crashing longevity and happiness.
This a complex issue with a lot of nuance. Hope is important, measurement of what needs to be changed is important, as well as scoping to topics instead of trying to boil the ocean (enumerating a tire fire, for example). One problem at a time.
In this thread, Europe has shown regulation is possible. The US has as well, with the FTC and DOJ actions of late. So while there are lots of problems left to solve, it’s okay to appreciate what has been solved so for, and to work to understand the burden of work that remains. Lets not rant, lets solve problems. And stay hopeful!
Tangentially, I think sentiment has declined and “low effort posts” are more frequent because the world has become an objectively worse place over the last 10-15 years. Posts are simply reflecting reality.
In this thread, Europe has shown regulation is possible. The US has as well, with the FTC and DOJ actions of late. So while there are lots of problems left to solve, it’s okay to appreciate what has been solved so for, and to work to understand the burden of work that remains. Lets not rant, lets solve problems. And stay hopeful!
Tangentially, I think sentiment has declined and “low effort posts” are more frequent because the world has become an objectively worse place over the last 10-15 years. Posts are simply reflecting reality.
There absolutely are more flamebait comments. Use that flag button - from what I understand, downvotes are for low-quality comments, whereas flags are for comments that straight-up break the site guidelines.
What does “works to improve” mean. It’s like you wanted to shoehorn the US in here.
To those of us in the US, it is relevant that we have to rely on Europe’s regulatory actions when the US government fails to regulate. Send help.
I assume you mean the one doing something is the EU, right?
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EU can focus on making more regulations, while US focuses on building new businesses. Then the new businesses will adapt to the regulations, while Europe has no businesses that need to be regulated.
Have you ever been to Europe?
Yes, but has Europe created a Google, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, or Facebook sized tech business in the last 30 years?
Massive corporations with the power to control societies are not a sign of success. I'd rather have 10000 medium sized businesses in my country than one whale that uses it's size and market dominance to eat everything else.
This is not success when considering the harm incurred.
Spotify would probably qualify, fyi.
A large business, but if this is the best Europe can offer, certainly a short king in comparison.
What is Google’s business these days? What about Facebook’s? The core products that put them on the map have been degenerating for the past decade, and the only exciting things coming out of these companies have been the result of acquisitions.
Ah yes, Multi national corporations ruling the world, what a dream come true!
For all your big tech, you seem to be dying younger than us, and unhappier, and less free:
1. Freedom: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...
2. Longevity: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
3. Happiness https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-...
One thing you are a winner in is school shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh...
I am happy that the lack of regulation + the ability to exploit your workers creates massive companies. Not sure if it's good for your society, but you do you, America.
1. Freedom: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...
2. Longevity: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
3. Happiness https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-...
One thing you are a winner in is school shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh...
I am happy that the lack of regulation + the ability to exploit your workers creates massive companies. Not sure if it's good for your society, but you do you, America.
America skews down in a lot of metrics as we accept a huge amount of immigrants who come with nothing from poverty. Europe barely accepts anyone and is a white monoculture, which makes it look better on paper.
> Europe barely accepts anyone and is a white monoculture, which makes it look better on paper.
Have you bothered to look up the statistics?
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/key-findi...
The US has 46.1 million immigrants, while the EU has 27.3 million. Hardly the "barely accepts anyone", don't you think?
> anyone and is a white monoculture,
Yeah, I see your knowledge of Europe is 0. We have 24 official languages, how many do you have?
Have you bothered to look up the statistics?
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/key-findi...
The US has 46.1 million immigrants, while the EU has 27.3 million. Hardly the "barely accepts anyone", don't you think?
> anyone and is a white monoculture,
Yeah, I see your knowledge of Europe is 0. We have 24 official languages, how many do you have?
It's not even close
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1378084/migrants-stock-w....
Norway is frequently mentioned by US leftists as a country we should emulate. Not even 5.5 million people, fewer than the single US state of Massachusetts, with the overwhelming majority white natives. The EU also has very strict requirements for residency, including language and skill requirements, while the US takes in foreigners without any education, skills, or money to support themselves. It's not even remotely close, and by pretending it is, shows you know literally zero about immigration.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1378084/migrants-stock-w....
Norway is frequently mentioned by US leftists as a country we should emulate. Not even 5.5 million people, fewer than the single US state of Massachusetts, with the overwhelming majority white natives. The EU also has very strict requirements for residency, including language and skill requirements, while the US takes in foreigners without any education, skills, or money to support themselves. It's not even remotely close, and by pretending it is, shows you know literally zero about immigration.
> The EU also has very strict requirements for residency, including language and skill requirements, while the US takes in foreigners without any education, skills, or money to support themselves
I thought the US required a visa, same like the EU. Your subjective opinion that the US allows everybody but the EU is too strict might be wrong, have you thought about that. Here is, for example, info how to get a worker visa for Sweden:
https://immigration-portal.ec.europa.eu/sweden-employed-work...
"If you wish to work in Sweden as an employed worker for more than three months, you must have:
- a work and residence permit; and
- a valid passport.
Workers in certain sectors need not apply for a work permit."
Are those the "very strict" EU requirements you were referring to?
You also didn't answer my question, we have 24 official languages, how many do you have?
The fact is that the EU has a combined 30 million immigrants, and the US has 46 million. Hardly a difference to warrant your false statement that the EU: "barely allows immigration", would you not agree?
> Norway is frequently mentioned by US leftists as a country we should emulate. Not even 5.5 million people, fewer than the single US state of Massachusetts, with the overwhelming majority white natives.
Have you heard of Vermont? A state with 94% Caucasian population. You called Europe a "white monoculture" (although we speak 24+ languages) based on Norway, one of the many countries in Europe (keep in mind Norway is not in EU) comprises of, what does that make Vermont?
It reveals you have no idea of immigration, what countries the EU comprises of (Norway is not in EU), and haven't checked the stats showing we have more cultures, official languages and ethnicities than the US.
I thought the US required a visa, same like the EU. Your subjective opinion that the US allows everybody but the EU is too strict might be wrong, have you thought about that. Here is, for example, info how to get a worker visa for Sweden:
https://immigration-portal.ec.europa.eu/sweden-employed-work...
"If you wish to work in Sweden as an employed worker for more than three months, you must have:
- a work and residence permit; and
- a valid passport.
Workers in certain sectors need not apply for a work permit."
Are those the "very strict" EU requirements you were referring to?
You also didn't answer my question, we have 24 official languages, how many do you have?
The fact is that the EU has a combined 30 million immigrants, and the US has 46 million. Hardly a difference to warrant your false statement that the EU: "barely allows immigration", would you not agree?
> Norway is frequently mentioned by US leftists as a country we should emulate. Not even 5.5 million people, fewer than the single US state of Massachusetts, with the overwhelming majority white natives.
Have you heard of Vermont? A state with 94% Caucasian population. You called Europe a "white monoculture" (although we speak 24+ languages) based on Norway, one of the many countries in Europe (keep in mind Norway is not in EU) comprises of, what does that make Vermont?
It reveals you have no idea of immigration, what countries the EU comprises of (Norway is not in EU), and haven't checked the stats showing we have more cultures, official languages and ethnicities than the US.
I will remind our CEO to shut down our 100% European company, because apparently he didn't received the message yet.
Total impact up to this point was maybe man-month to make sure we're GDPR compliant, while Apple opening up NFC may bring at least a few nice contracts (from local players no less).
I think we'll be fine.
Total impact up to this point was maybe man-month to make sure we're GDPR compliant, while Apple opening up NFC may bring at least a few nice contracts (from local players no less).
I think we'll be fine.
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Not enough. I still can’t install my smartwatch‘s app due to notarization.
Apple should have NO say in what I can install on my phone.
Apple should have NO say in what I can install on my phone.
I'm not a heavy app user, but I do think there things I want from Apple's app store process, such as privacy, security, and safety reviews.
I can't comment on the quality of these reviews themselves, but I'm assuming some people and some automation are providing some benefit and I know that work costs money.
Does it become the wild west when you install apps outside of the app store? Am I taking extra risk here?
I can't comment on the quality of these reviews themselves, but I'm assuming some people and some automation are providing some benefit and I know that work costs money.
Does it become the wild west when you install apps outside of the app store? Am I taking extra risk here?
You are making it sound as if Epic can't provide privacy, security and safety reviews, considering they already have an established PC store competing with Steam. I think we are gonna be okay.
It's not going to be the wild west, as your words make it out to be, but a healthier system than the oppressive and monopolistic mono culture that Apple clings on to for dear life.
It's not going to be the wild west, as your words make it out to be, but a healthier system than the oppressive and monopolistic mono culture that Apple clings on to for dear life.
Related from earlier:
Epic Games Store Launches on iPhone in EU, Brings Fortnite Back to iOS
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41265892
Epic Games Store Launches on iPhone in EU, Brings Fortnite Back to iOS
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41265892
Wishful thinking but 95% of users don’t give a crap. And at least half of them don’t even know even know the App Store is.
I’m skeptical that this will be a win for users. Most Gamers are upset when they have to use any launcher besides Steam and I don’t see how this will be any different. Android always had third party app stores, yet nobody uses them.
Well, this can have a price tag difference, and some consumers might care for that.
Apple insists on taking 30% of every purchase. If Epic can sell their products on their own store, that middle man money is out of the picture, and they can offer their apps for cheaper than you'd find them on the app store.
> Most Gamers are upset when they have to use any launcher besides Steam and I don’t see how this will be any different
I am one of those gamers, but if I see an Epic store sale, I might buy the game via the Epic store (I got like 7-8 titles for free already).
Apple insists on taking 30% of every purchase. If Epic can sell their products on their own store, that middle man money is out of the picture, and they can offer their apps for cheaper than you'd find them on the app store.
> Most Gamers are upset when they have to use any launcher besides Steam and I don’t see how this will be any different
I am one of those gamers, but if I see an Epic store sale, I might buy the game via the Epic store (I got like 7-8 titles for free already).
Hey, if 5% of Appstore revenue is actually up for grabs, that's still more than enough for a competitor to be successful.
95% of the peasantry are illiterate and have no concept of newfangled ideas like elections or organized labour. Best let the feudal lord continue to call the shots, they're in power, so clearly this is the natural order of things. /s
Serious question. Does this open up EU iPhone customers to CrowdStrike-like security issues related to their phones if they use these new App Stores? Or at least reduce security and privacy of their devices by downloading less vetted apps? I am not pro either way yet I am just curious what the community thinks.
Apps still don't have system level access to anything, so no. iPhone apps can't automatically run in the background, run on boot or just access random data from random apps. If they can it'd be an exploit, and while the App Store gives you some extra safety in that they can scan for it / pull the app without updating iOS, now you actually need an up-to-date OS.
It's a small additional risk but really not that big at all compared to what you can do with Android sideloading or app installing on macOS/Windows, and not comparable at all to macOS kernel extensions or Windows drivers.
It's a small additional risk but really not that big at all compared to what you can do with Android sideloading or app installing on macOS/Windows, and not comparable at all to macOS kernel extensions or Windows drivers.
No, not at all. Security is an ongoing process of system design, nothing that the App Store can offer. iOS is designed with an aggressive sandboxing model with very strict permissions for accessing privacy-impacting APIs. The App Store, additionally, does include all sorts of scamware that was let through the screening process.
Apps on iOS are strictly user space. They cannot run at a kernel level, which was the issue with CloudStrike. An oversight in CloudStrike's software, which assumed a downloaded file would never be in a broken state, prevented the system from booting.
Technically, Microsoft requires approval for software that runs at the level of CloudStrike. So, clearly, a review process is not sufficient to prevent that issue either.
Apps on iOS are strictly user space. They cannot run at a kernel level, which was the issue with CloudStrike. An oversight in CloudStrike's software, which assumed a downloaded file would never be in a broken state, prevented the system from booting.
Technically, Microsoft requires approval for software that runs at the level of CloudStrike. So, clearly, a review process is not sufficient to prevent that issue either.
First part: Not at all. Apps can‘t deeply integrate into the system and it’s always through very tightly defined APIs.
Second part: Technically yes, practically no. Apps are still tightly bound by the system.
Theoretically there can be exploits out of the app sandbox that could be caught before an app is released on the app store. But once the vulnerability it will quickly be closed - and while it‘s not known it also won’t be caught by the app store‘s automatic checks anyway, so it could also be inside of app store released apps.
Second part: Technically yes, practically no. Apps are still tightly bound by the system.
Theoretically there can be exploits out of the app sandbox that could be caught before an app is released on the app store. But once the vulnerability it will quickly be closed - and while it‘s not known it also won’t be caught by the app store‘s automatic checks anyway, so it could also be inside of app store released apps.
Yes, absolutely. Part of the reason I’m very happy that people around me tend to use iPhones is that I have some base level confidence in what they’re installing. I don’t trust nearly anyone to make good decisions about what applications they are installing, given how much information cellphones have it’s untenable to have them installing random garbage because some website said so.
In the EU, not in all of Europe. So not in the UK, Norway, Switzerland, Russia, Ukraine, etc.
How easy is it to fool apple into thinking you live in europe with a VPN? do you need an address there?
Nearly impossible. You need an EU Apple ID connected to an EU phone number, and your GPS needs to show you're in Europe.
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The headline is so funny. It’s their store. It’s like folks think I can go into a supermarket and sell my wares without paying rent and having some sort of agreement …
It's the users phone. like a computer, we should be allowed to install whataever app we want.
That’s where Apple screwed up imo. I don’t think they’ll ever get to gatekeeper / macOS level of openness. But they could have relaxed on the restrictions and listened to their devs (offered free trials, etc) and lowered the take from 30 for one time payments to something less but in return could keep the store front idea.
As long as they cling to the iPhone and the iPad as being appliances then the same sort of locked down approach of the consoles and their single vendor stores makes sense.
As long as they cling to the iPhone and the iPad as being appliances then the same sort of locked down approach of the consoles and their single vendor stores makes sense.
I don’t have high hopes for either Harris or Trump going after big tech the way the EU is.
I don't either: https://gazette.com/news/wex/harris-s-choice-of-trump-debate...
Regardless of your stance on whether or not Google specifically is a monopoly, this should be considered extremely concerning that Harris seems so friendly with someone representing a defendant her own justice department is prosecuting.
Not that I want to divert from the topic at hand—just agree there's good reason to be apprehensive about similar expectations being met here.
Regardless of your stance on whether or not Google specifically is a monopoly, this should be considered extremely concerning that Harris seems so friendly with someone representing a defendant her own justice department is prosecuting.
Not that I want to divert from the topic at hand—just agree there's good reason to be apprehensive about similar expectations being met here.
Not sure why you say that. The Biden admin pursued a number of cases and recently got a monopoly ruling on Google
Her close billionaire donor buddy Reid Hoffman is openly pressuring her to fire Lina Khan.
I mean... Harris isn't Biden. It's not inherently unreasonable to have different expectations for the policies of two different people.
The case was filed by the Trump administration in 2018, not Biden.
The DOJ has tremendous leeway to ask the courts for some result or another. We'll see how much spine this administration actually has.
EDIT: I mean via remediation here, not literally swaying the ruling outside the courtroom.
EDIT: I mean via remediation here, not literally swaying the ruling outside the courtroom.
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