Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft(mastodon.social)
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Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114233788700982882
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It's also way easier than Gitlab to selfhost. Been running it for some time on small office NAS and it's solid.
Switched from Gitlab to Forgejo at work and it is working fantastic for us.
I am also using at home.
Using both container registry and self-hosted runners, etc.
I was personally very frustrated with ACL and generally inheritance rules in gitlab and it is much more sensible and easy in Forgejo.
Using both container registry and self-hosted runners, etc.
I was personally very frustrated with ACL and generally inheritance rules in gitlab and it is much more sensible and easy in Forgejo.
FYI it's a fork of gitea, and like gitea, only a single go binary. Super easy to upgrade. I have been running gitea first and now forgejo under docker. It's literally a 5 minute deal to install once you know how it works.
I did a bare metal to Docker container migration in about 30 minutes a couple of weeks ago. It’s not a very complicated setup, with few surprises, and this system admin appreciates that.
> including CI pipeline
You'll want to be cautious, because readme and promises are not software; they're attempting to squat on[1] nektos/act[2] which itself is the 20/80 of GitHub Actions
You'll almost certainly be happier using woodpecker[3] or some other "external" CI system so you don't have to hopes-and-prayers your CI system
1: https://code.forgejo.org/forgejo/act
2: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#... and https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#...
3: https://github.com/woodpecker-ci/woodpecker (Apache 2)
You'll want to be cautious, because readme and promises are not software; they're attempting to squat on[1] nektos/act[2] which itself is the 20/80 of GitHub Actions
You'll almost certainly be happier using woodpecker[3] or some other "external" CI system so you don't have to hopes-and-prayers your CI system
1: https://code.forgejo.org/forgejo/act
2: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#... and https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#...
3: https://github.com/woodpecker-ci/woodpecker (Apache 2)
what do you mean by "squat on"?
They didn't attempt to build a GitHub Action implementation, they took a known broken one and attempted to duct tape it, so now it's the worst of both worlds: maybe theirs is somehow better, but because everyone in the world knows how terrible act is, they have to say "oh, we built in top of act, but we added some things, fixed others, broke something else, and who knows[1] but good luck to you, our beta testers"
Had act been a known working project, maybe it would have been worth the risk of forking it, or hitching their wagon to it, but to take a weekender project and attempt to build the entire CI system on top of it is insanity. Well, it would have been insanity in a world before having software that sometimes works and sometimes gaslights you became VCs shoveling money. So don't listen to me, I obviously just haven't gotten on the "maybe it works" train
1: https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/user/actions/#:~:text=used%2...
Had act been a known working project, maybe it would have been worth the risk of forking it, or hitching their wagon to it, but to take a weekender project and attempt to build the entire CI system on top of it is insanity. Well, it would have been insanity in a world before having software that sometimes works and sometimes gaslights you became VCs shoveling money. So don't listen to me, I obviously just haven't gotten on the "maybe it works" train
1: https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/user/actions/#:~:text=used%2...
Organic Maps is great and I'm hoping the transition to Forgejo goes smoothly for the project.
I've recently started hiking and just generally going outside in my community more. When I relied on Google Maps I would get some random business highlighted when navigating around. Since I switched to Organic Maps I see trails, artwork, parks, scenic views, etc, etc that I never knew existed even in my own neighborhood. I also love the idea that if I find something not right on it I can just open up Open Street Map, make a simple edit, and improve the life of everyone else using the app that comes after me.
I've recently started hiking and just generally going outside in my community more. When I relied on Google Maps I would get some random business highlighted when navigating around. Since I switched to Organic Maps I see trails, artwork, parks, scenic views, etc, etc that I never knew existed even in my own neighborhood. I also love the idea that if I find something not right on it I can just open up Open Street Map, make a simple edit, and improve the life of everyone else using the app that comes after me.
I love Organic Maps too. The UI could be a bit nicer, and sometimes it struggles to find where I want to go, but bicycles routes are far superior to those from Google.
I travel by foot or public transport 90% of the time and don't have a SIM card with data (only for emergency calls). Organic maps has been amazing - just download the map ahead of time and never get lost again
Why blocked?
> We have a temporary glitch with GitHub—probably some contributor was geolocated in a sanctioned region (no details yet). All required documents to unlock the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. Please be patient. It should be unblocked soon.
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
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> the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law.
"I was just following orders" is an invalid defense.
"I was just following orders" is an invalid defense.
i mean ok but no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here.
I think it's not bad to remember people from time to time that "just following orders" oder "Just doing my job" isn't an universal excuse and that we hanged people rightfully for "just" doing that. If that's your only excuse for what you're doing you may should at least deeply think again if what you're doing is excusable.
They only want to protect MS in this case, I guess to increase their chance to resolve it positively.
But I just recently thought about this. If you develop exploits for say NSO und a journalist gets tortured to death. Should you be put on trial? I'm not sure why not tbh.
They only want to protect MS in this case, I guess to increase their chance to resolve it positively.
But I just recently thought about this. If you develop exploits for say NSO und a journalist gets tortured to death. Should you be put on trial? I'm not sure why not tbh.
> no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here.
Maybe not but the vibe feels more like open source being gunpoint.
"Upload documents or else"
Maybe not but the vibe feels more like open source being gunpoint.
"Upload documents or else"
So a corporation should be in contempt with US law just to uphold a moral high ground for a some random user?
Sounds like another reason not to repy on US-based services.
Until Forgejo does the same.
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What is ‘Codeberg e.V.’?
Codeberg is a non-profit association registered in Berlin, Germany. The abbreviation e.V. stands for eingetragener Verein, which translates as ‘registered association’.
As defined by its Bylaws, its goal is to “guarantee the openness and continued availability of free software”.
Forgejo has to abide by Codeberg’s goals. We believe that this arrangement reinforces the longevity of Forgejo, as far as the project’s stability and financial security is concerned.
Codeberg e.V. owns Forgejo’s domains, provides resources and cooperates closely with Forgejo.
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What is ‘Codeberg e.V.’?
Codeberg is a non-profit association registered in Berlin, Germany. The abbreviation e.V. stands for eingetragener Verein, which translates as ‘registered association’.
As defined by its Bylaws, its goal is to “guarantee the openness and continued availability of free software”.
Forgejo has to abide by Codeberg’s goals. We believe that this arrangement reinforces the longevity of Forgejo, as far as the project’s stability and financial security is concerned.
Codeberg e.V. owns Forgejo’s domains, provides resources and cooperates closely with Forgejo.
The website codeberg.org is technically similar to GitHub in that they host your code. The repo for OrganicMaps on codeberg.org is here:
https://codeberg.org/organicmaps/organicmaps
However, as you can see, this is only a mirror of the official, original repository, which is hosted here:
https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps
And while this is using ForgeJo - the software Codeberg develops - it is hosted by OrganicMaps themselves. Thereby, it is very unlikely that somebody else takes this down for whatever reason.
https://codeberg.org/organicmaps/organicmaps
However, as you can see, this is only a mirror of the official, original repository, which is hosted here:
https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps
And while this is using ForgeJo - the software Codeberg develops - it is hosted by OrganicMaps themselves. Thereby, it is very unlikely that somebody else takes this down for whatever reason.
It's a tired argument, but what if we replace "US" in your sentence with "Chinese", "Russian" or "Iranian"?
Considering how the government of "the shining beacon of democracy" is currently running more like one of the above countries, I think it's a good comparison. But I'm guessing plenty here MAGA disagree.
Considering how the government of "the shining beacon of democracy" is currently running more like one of the above countries, I think it's a good comparison. But I'm guessing plenty here MAGA disagree.
It's not a defense, it's information about the correct place to complain.
> Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub
I don't think this is a question of blame, rather than suitability. In the spirit of blameless postmortem, I'll state that GitHub was found unsuitable for hosting a FOSS project.
Why it's unsuitable is truly a secondary question, but it shouldn't prevent us, Free Software maintainers, from drawing necessary conclusions.
I don't think this is a question of blame, rather than suitability. In the spirit of blameless postmortem, I'll state that GitHub was found unsuitable for hosting a FOSS project.
Why it's unsuitable is truly a secondary question, but it shouldn't prevent us, Free Software maintainers, from drawing necessary conclusions.
Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you.
Nothing you put there sounds like a reason not to move, in fact it sounds like all the more reason to do it.
Nothing you put there sounds like a reason not to move, in fact it sounds like all the more reason to do it.
>Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you.
ANY and I mean absolutely ANY service can just block you if they think you're violating ToS, including Google/Android and Apple.
ANY and I mean absolutely ANY service can just block you if they think you're violating ToS, including Google/Android and Apple.
And when you self-host, worst case scenario is running a disaster recovery exercise on a different cloud provider. (Except for DNS, where you're at the mercy of the registrar; you might need to communicate a new domain name to your users.)
It's just time to leave Microsoft. Don't make excuses for rich corporations.
It's just time to leave Microsoft. Don't make excuses for rich corporations.
One of the contributors might be from a sanctioned country, and therefore it's reasonable to block everyone?
That absolutely does not sound reasonable to everyone else.
That absolutely does not sound reasonable to everyone else.
Sanctions were transitive for awhile.
Are you trying to say that it *is* reasonable for an Open Source project to expect this?
> it is just <country> law
Ah, a chief among the causes of brain drain.
Ah, a chief among the causes of brain drain.
Just following orders is evil.
It's good that Organic Maps is leaving Microsoft behind.
It's good that Organic Maps is leaving Microsoft behind.
Glad to see more and more organizations moving to rights-respecting platforms, away from the intelligence community's surveillance + social control dragnets of choice.
What’s the latest in Forgejo vs. Gitea?
Sometime in 2024 Forgejo became hard fork no longer merging Gitea code so both projects slowly diverge. But i think momentum is on Forgejo side. Codeberg is popular and development seems to be stable and solid.
I'm on the Gitea TOC. The fork does still merge from upstream. The Gitea project has 4x'd the number of monthly PRs we handle (~400) and have increased the maintainers teams, and the number of contributors. I'd say we have a lot of momentum.
They jumped the shark to become cryptobros in 2022 and are Open Core now, why would you still want to use Gitea? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33339421
Hi, I'm on the TOC of Gitea, and I can definitively say that there is no cryptocurrency in Gitea or related to Gitea. As well, the project is not open-core, and you can verify that yourself by going to the project and seeing that all the code is MIT licensed: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea
So you're saying the press release promising a DAO and "an enhanced enterprise version" was not truthful?
I checked the IP. Another Hetzner server. I wonder how much they're making off of the distrust of the US Government and the companies helping their censorship.
organic maps is a treasure. It's great. Microsoft messed up here.
Although I’m generally not a fan of companies getting involved in international politics, working for Cuba (or whatever actually happened, it’s not clear) seems like a pretty stupid thing to do
Another great reason to derisk from US-based products
What happened here?
GH made repo read-only after a member was added to the organization who happened to visit Cuba for a short while. No response from GitHub.
forgejo seems to have everything I need including CI pipeline and container registry so I am definitely going to give it a try before trying to update gitlab.