> Yahoo News cannot independently verify the authenticity of the video
Nice try, but no sources have verified the authenticity of the video. And I should congratulate you - you started actually linking sources, good job! Or perhaps bad job, maybe bringing unverifiable claims was the mistake here.
However It's really getting old. I see your point - my sources are bad because they are pro-russian, your sources are good because they are pro-ukrainian, no matter what is actually said.
I don't think there is a way I can convince you. It's akin to some witch hunt or something, like if I say I'm not a witch it is just I try to charm you with my magic or something.
Unfortunately, sir, you appear to be brainwashed beyond repair. My condolences.
Do you seriously believe "mainstream media"? Kinda NPC move, ngl. They are all paid for by interested third parties. There is no such thing as "independent media" now. Mainstream outlets belong to some billionaires with ties in the government. It's the same shit as just state owned media, except it's worse, because you don't even know you are being lied to. Sorry to break it to you, but nowadays only place you can find actual truth is in garbage undeground media, unfortunately, and the others you'll just call "propaganda outlets". Call me conspiracy theorist but that's just the reality we live in.
> More Ukrainian civilians have died in a single year than in the entire war in the Donbas but okay.
Btw don't you find it sus, that western media claims that Ukraine was at war with Russia since 2014, but yet when Russia actually started military action they started dying like flys? Maybe there were not fighting Russian military in the first place.
> The goals of the SMO are to rape, torture and terrorise Ukraine into to be subservient to the new faschist state that proudly flies there Z like a swastika.
First of, fakes again.
Second, let's not mention the literal swastika in Azov battalion emblem, it's not convenient :)
Third, their greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!" was literally made up by Nazi collaborators.
> perpetuating hate towards the people committing war crimes in Ukraine against Ukrainians.
Vladimir Zelensky should be the first one on your list.
See? Ukraine does some fucked up shit too. Didn't you know about it?
> A theory with no credibility either.
You gave me nothing to work with aside from "I saw it in some pro-russian tg channel", I could come up with dozens of similar shit from pro-ukrainian channels.
> caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'.
Link the video then.
> Russia should get out of Ukraine
They will. Once the goals of special operation are achieved. Leaving right now is not an option. Leaving right now means losing. It means that abandoning people who waited so long for Russia to protect them. If Russia leaves now all of them will be in danger. So the only option is to fight until victorious end.
And Russia will win. Whether you like it or not. All the NATO is doing is prolonging the suffering of both Ukraine and Russia, while also making some buck.
> and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit.
yeah, "seem". And don't get me wrong. I'm not denying that probably some of this war crime allegations are probably true, but it's over the top what the west claims. Ukraine is also guilty with evidence, but the west seems hesitant to talk about it, and maybe some of this is fake, but now it's too early to decide. The nature of the situation in Ukraine rn doesn't accommodate for real thorough investigation. Plus the information warfare going on, and Russian propaganda machine sucks compared to NATO's. Every side tries to smear the other, and it's really hard to tell what's true and what's a lie.
This argument is kinda getting old. I'm tired of talking in circles. I'm tired of trying to educate you that it's not so one-sided. This is maybe, probably my last message in this thread.
All I want is peace between our countries once again. But the capitalist pigs and sellout media don't exactly help the cause.
My whataboutism is there to show that we are all the same. So please stop perpetuating hate towards Russia just because your media told you so.
Try to really analyze the situation. When you see some information look who profits from that information, then look for other sources. The situation is probably more complex than was presented to you initially.
And finally read some Marx and Lenin, especially the "Imperialism as the highest form of capitalism" it thoroughly explains why capitalism is incompatible with peaceful coexistence.
> A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it.
Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper?
> you won't believe any of that evidence because...
...you will never deliver it. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with you. I've already pointed out that you don't link your sources, and you keep talking out of your ass.
> Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news.
It's not a personal attack, my dear. Personal attack is an appeal to some quality of an opponent. There was none. I just told you, that if you can't back up your crazy "objectively true" claims then better keep them to yourself.
> Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'.
Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'.
> But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid.
It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again.
> The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation.
How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre".
Ukrainian trooper's posted horrifying pictures of bodies laying all over the street, they claim it's Russians who did it. ONE HOUR LATER western politicians already post shit like "WE KNOW THE TRUTH, ITS RUSSIA WHO DID IT". No investigation required. Ukraine can post ANYTHING, and they will happily accept it. Because it's convenient. Yet the Russian side was on the more rational side, actually trying to investigate stuff, a lot of people noticed that circumstances about this incident just didn't match up. But the west didn't care. And the amount of such cases is just too big now. It's much easier to produce bullshit than to disprove it.
But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran".
Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you.
Evidence of what? That you didn't present any evidence? That's kinda obvious. You just talk out of your ass.
> after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared.
Source?
There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there.
> who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet?
It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians.
> I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this.
Maybe you are free to read them, but they will never appear in your feeds and seldom in search queries.
That's not all of course. That is just the stuff that wasn't that hard to find. Is that sufficient enough evidence for you?
Censorship on the west is even more severe than in Russia. Because in Russia you can at least use VPN to sidestep a block, but in the west they just remove your stuff or hide it so no one can ever find and read you. Either you are just ignorant or deliberately manipulative.
> my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas.
So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up.
> But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence?
Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone?
> It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression
What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate.
> What sources, you haven't posted any?
Idk, maybe the one that you sarcastically called "reliable" earlier?
> But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them?
This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it?
> quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0
Baseless.
> Where's the quality evidence for any of this?
Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example.
> A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care.
Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian".
> The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false.
I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation.
> but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up.
Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see?
> I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me?
If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you.
> So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?.
Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao).
I saw Ukrainian blogger post video of him allegedly "eat a corpse of Russian soldier"(which is entirely fake). What was he trying to achieve? I also saw a video of Ukrainian woman "cutting throat of Russian soldier with a sickle" and saying something along the lines of "you are not welcome here", what was she trying to achieve?
I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not.
Since when one propaganda is more reliable than the other propaganda? The source you are citing doesn't even pretend to be objective, the language they use is very polarizing, not mentioning the ad hominem the article is full of.
I tell what... instead of trying to appeal to authority (which is a fallacy of course), try looking at the information itself. We are all grown people, we can judge for ourselves what is bullshit and what's not, right?
The video was about a former anti-war anti-"russian-aggression" protester who visited Donbas which led to her reevaluation of the whole situation. Can you find any evidence of this being bullshit? Maybe she wasn't a protester, maybe she hasn't been to Donbas, maybe people she talked to were paid actors and graves in children playground are just fancy decorations for a twisted play? If you have proof go ahead and present it.
Your attempts at discrediting the source are ridiculous. Just because the boy cried "wolves" before with none to be seen, doesn't mean the wolves are not there this time around.
I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o
> Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you
Don't know why you didn't mention Rusich as an obvious example of Nazis, but ok, let's say Wagner group is Nazi. So what? They are not part of official military forces of Russia, unlike Azov in Ukraine. Moreover such people in Russia are very much frowned upon to say the least, especially in by official soldiers. But hey, if they can help on the frontline without good people risking their lives, why not let them.
> The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary
So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. Seems legit.
...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime.
And for starters, russia didn't start civil war, ukraine did when they started shelling donbas.
> Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother.
Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses.
> they have done it multiple times in the past
examples?
> Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda.
Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda.
> Not just the Russians being Russians.
Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians.
> Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake.
There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit.
> Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas.
Yet again, no evidence. You have to get your facts straight, good sir. And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin
> The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture.
why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin.
European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason.
Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit.
> Not to mention the torture videos we have,
Yeah, surely there is NO VIDEOS OF UKRAINIAN SOILDERS TORTURING THEIR CAPTIVES BE IT RUSSIAN SODIERS OR THEIR OWN SUPPOSED TRAITORS.
> but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too.
only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least.
Yeah, through the fricking frontline, through the same guys that shelled their cities for 9 years. Solid plan.
> captured, forcibly deported, forcibly adopted
Why forcibly? There is literally no evidence that any kind of force was ever used. I bet most of them are more than happy to leave the hellscape they lived in for so long because of Ukrainian government.
Maybe the facts that they state are true, but the way they are presented is just insane.
The main issue I have with this is that they present it like "evil Russians are kidnapping children", implying that they are better off dying in a warzone instead of getting actual education and a chance at life. This is very one-sided and politically engaged.
> Sure a swastica tattoo isn't illegal; nor is saying death to jews.
Idk where u from, but here in Russia it's not only socially unacceptable but is also a literal crime which falls under incitement of violence and rehabilitation of Nazi ideology.
You are correct. The same exact things about Russia. Even if something positive happens there, the anti-russian propaganda twists it to the point it is a negative
Honestly, I'm shocked to see how fragile people have become... every word can be considered a personal attack.
Now, listen carefuly. Criticism can be constructive and unconstructive. They are classified by their content and not the emotion that you have recieving it. The first one gives some ACTIONABLE FEEDBACK, the latter - does not. For example: "Your thing is shit."/"I don't like it"/"It's great, I love it." - is not constructive as no corrective action can arise from this. Constructive criticism starts with specifing the reason of discontent, and (desireably) steps to make it better. And not this "My value threatened!!!!11" bullshit of this article.
This article goes into how people are afraid to make mistakes because of criticism. And you know, they should be. Instead I want you to imagine the world where people are afraid to criticise, because some snowflake might take it to heart and cancel you or do some other stupid shit. Imagine if scientists didn't criticise each others works. Or engineers didn't fix weak parts of construction, because it would damage their creative ego.
Stop being so freaking insecure about yourself. Criticism is key part in humanity's progress.
Nice try, but no sources have verified the authenticity of the video. And I should congratulate you - you started actually linking sources, good job! Or perhaps bad job, maybe bringing unverifiable claims was the mistake here.
However It's really getting old. I see your point - my sources are bad because they are pro-russian, your sources are good because they are pro-ukrainian, no matter what is actually said.
I don't think there is a way I can convince you. It's akin to some witch hunt or something, like if I say I'm not a witch it is just I try to charm you with my magic or something.
Unfortunately, sir, you appear to be brainwashed beyond repair. My condolences.