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cogman10
·3 saat önce·discuss
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cogman10
·3 saat önce·discuss
It ultimately depends on if there is overriding state or federal law. But yeah, it's something a city can enforce.

A small town in Wyoming could do the same and could sue (and probably win) against businesses that do business in that small town and break the law. What most likely happens in that case is that small Wyoming town ends up blacklisted by that business.
cogman10
·3 saat önce·discuss
> The idea that some random historian or politician simply convinced everyone his fiction story was true and central to their identity - and it worked time after time AND everyone else bought into it - is clearly absurd.

It's really not. It's exactly how Romans changed from their Roman worship to christianity. It's how they converted the pagans. It's how Muslims were able to rewrite Christianity into their own religion. It's how Mormons did the same.

This is such a fundamental part of humanity, it happens all over the place.

Having a charismatic and/or politically powerful person say "This is how things are, believe it or die" does wonders to spread belief.
cogman10
·3 saat önce·discuss
> It also conveniently explains why there is an ancient temple under the Forum with an empty sarcophagus dated to the 500s BC that appears to be dedicated to Romulus.

Bad article.

Here's a better one [1]. What the archeologists found was a shrine to a "holy king". Because of it's location and time, the title of "Romulus" was given to it by the modern archeologists.

> So who was the first king of Rome?

Who knows. That could easily be lost to history. After all, Rome started small before it grew to it's historical peek size. But if a figure like Romulus existed, there would be additional documentation that didn't show up 1000 years later.

> And somehow magically convinced everyone else all the history they knew was wrong. And convinced all the people in the cities around them. Interesting hypothesis.

Not really magic or hard to believe. It's not as if the entire population was literate. And a founding myth is quite useful for current politics. For example, using the founding myth of Romulus allowed for the ancient Romans to claim the Senate was created by him and thus divinely inspired.

The parallel to this is the Bible, where the creation of Abraham and Moses served the original authors in endowing their king with supernatural power and origin. Much like the Egyptians did with their Pharaoh. It was a common practice in the region and at the time.

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/possible-shrine-ro...
cogman10
·5 saat önce·discuss
> This is a totally unfruitful line of inquiry

It's really not. This is the line of inquiry that leads you to understand the founding myth of Rome and what the motivations might have been to create such a myth. It also helps to place in time when the myth was concocted.

> Is there any negative evidence?

Is there any negative evidence against unicorns?

Things that don't exist don't leave evidence.

But yes, there is evidence. The lack of corroboration and the fact that the earliest mention of Romulus was ~300BCE is a pretty strong indicator that he didn't actually exist. Further, the fact that his story is a mishmash of common tropes and that his very name is a derivative of Rome is a pretty strong indicator that he was simply a product of myth making. There are written records from surrounding nations and people from 750BCE.

But further, we also have evidence that Rome itself is a lot older than Romulus is supposed to be. There's evidence that the first founders of Rome showed up around 1600BCE.

The fact that the first records of Romulus trace the lineage of the rule of the city directly back to him is a very good indicator that the author was myth making.

> Is there any reason to expect more evidence than what we have?

Yes. People write about their leaders. It's quite common. And very influential leaders tend to leave pretty extensive records.

That's why, for example, we are so certain Ramesses II existed.

> Did ancient historians with better sources believe it?

You'd expect passing references to Romulus if they did. That doesn't exist.

> Is there anything inherently unlikely about the idea?

Yes, we have evidence Rome is a lot older than the Romulus myth. Seems pretty unlikely that Romulus founded Rome in 753BCE unless he was some sort of time traveler.

> ancient historians believed various versions of the same basic story, and there's absolutely nothing crazy about it

Ancient historians who wrote over 1000 years after the actual founding of Rome.

Imagine if I dubbed myself a historian and started writing about how China was founded by Jackie Chinamus in 1000AD, who also just so happen to have an army of pandas and consumed only bamboo. That is the problem with the Romulus founding myth. The historian placed the foundation WAY later than it actually was and wrote a fantasy story about Romulus where the only thing that could possibly be true is his name (Unless you want to claim it's possible Mars was his father).
cogman10
·8 saat önce·discuss
Important to note, Canaanites have semitic names. So, someone with a semitic name isn't even an indicator that they were a Hebrew, only that they were possibly Hebrew. Which is unlikely. The evidence we have is that Hebrews were a splinter group from the Canaanites, rather than being a distinct group of people.

What we'd expect if the exodus was real is either proto-semitic writings about the event or even Egyptian writings. Because, fun fact, slaves tend to speak the language of their masters. The fact that the only document we have about it is written in Ancient Hebrew, a language that first debuted around 900 BCE, puts a lot of this into question.

The exodus was supposed to have happened anywhere from 1400BCE to 1200BCE (the bible gives at least 2 dates).
cogman10
·9 saat önce·discuss
Likely? That's wild.

What's the corroborating evidence from ~750BC documenting their existence? Heck, where's that evidence from 650BC?
cogman10
·10 saat önce·discuss
> Respectfully, this is a stronger claim than I think anyone can make.

The only reason to treat this with kid gloves is because a large portion of the population believes in it.

Nobody has a problem saying that "Romulus and Remus is an entirely fictional account it's not based on any real historical events."

The stronger claim is a valid one to make because the primary source doesn't have any corroboration.
cogman10
·12 saat önce·discuss
People wandering in the desert for 40 years, or even 1 year, leave traces. Especially when it's thousands of people (at a minimum).

The Hebrew language came long after the exodus. We have no earlier records of it that aren't written in Hebrew.

So what we have is writings written hundreds of years later documenting an event with no earlier writings verifying that documentation.

It's possible that a small group of slaves escaped egypt and that was the actual origin of the exodus story which just kept growing and growing with retellings.
cogman10
·12 saat önce·discuss
> Given what we know about how the Egyptians recorded history, we would definitely not expect to find them writing about stuff that would have embarrassed them.

That's exactly the sort of stuff they wrote about all the time. We know about the various wars and political conflicts throughout the second intermediate period precisely because that's what the Egyptians liked documenting.

And, in particular, during the supposed time of the exodus the Egyptian kingdom was fairly divided. Even if one kingdom was too proud to write about a defeat, the others would be sure to document it.

> Look up Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 - it shows that Egypt held slaves with Semitic names in roughly the correct time period.

Read up about the Canaanites. They were on the uprise during this period and they are also believed to be the actual origin of the Hebrews.

> Israel being one of them!

No even according to the bible. Israel didn't exist before the exodus. Definitely not for decades and even centuries afterwards. The oldest records of the exodus are nowhere near the event. The closest record we have is around 900BCE.
cogman10
·13 saat önce·discuss
We actually do.

There's a lot of claims in the exodus story which would have left behind corroborative histories. For example, the death of a large amount of the population along with the pharaohs son. The destruction of pharaoh's army. Records of ancient hebrew slaves.

Ancient Egyptians left behind a pretty large amount of history and documentation. They were also surrounded by other civilizations that also left a decent bit of documentation.
cogman10
·15 saat önce·discuss
They do, some of the best of any language.

That said backwards compatibility problems still hit as some libraries enjoy using internal APIs.

It's not an every time thing and it's been easier and easier with updates.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
> Otherwise, what if I am only “taken care of” if I have a beachside penthouse in Malibu and also a pony?

That's a false equivalence.

We aren't talking about giving people penthouses. We are talking about providing EMS. Heck, I can even grant "degraded EMS" maybe we don't ensure an ambulance is stocked with the latest and greatest tech because you are rural. Maybe the ambulance is a hand-me-down from a larger city.

But it's not a huge ask to say that rural communities deserve at least some level of emergency health medicine. Less people means less health incidents. That's the primary reason why so many rural locations today are able to get by with volunteer EMS (Something my family participated in. Calls happened roughly once a month at most in my town of 300).

> The government is not taking care of people if it allows the average expenditure per person to eclipse the average tax revenue per person. The economics need to be roughly sustainable at the national state and even rural area level.

I agree, it's smart to make sure the government isn't over spending on frivolous things. I just don't think "EMS" is frivolous. Everyone might need it, it doesn't ultimately cost that much to provide (especially if it were actually ran by the government and not private entities), and it's services buy a lot of good will with citizens. Additionally, it creates economic output. Someone dying or getting a lifetime disability because EMS wasn't available is someone that's not adding to the economy.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
I think the main expense you are missing is medication and disposable equipment and insurance for the ambulance and medical malpractice.

Otherwise, yeah, I suspect the other major cost is the "It's the mayor's brother's business" cost and the "private equity has figured out how to extract maximum value" cost.

That said, there's no reason the patent should be charged anything. It should be entirely a tax burden of the citizens. It's crazy to make some decide between death and crippling debt.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
> It is not the government’s job to “take care of” anybody.

That is literally the only job of government. The entire reason we have a government is to serve the citizens in some fashion or another.

Even for most libertarians, they'll view the government in having a role resolving disputes. That is "taking care of" citizens by resolving conflicts.

Subsidizing farmers so citizens continue to have cheap and consistent access to food is a great thing. Right up there with providing clean drinking water, sewage services, and building roads.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
US EMS quality isn't exactly something to be proud of. It's been private equityified. Just recently (last winter) I nearly lost an aunt because of our stellar EMS system literally doing a transfer from a hospital to a hospice. The company had only one person working, they parked the ambulance next to a snow bank, tried to wheel my aunt up the snow bank, and had her and the bed flip on them trapping them in the snow.

They were super lucky that someone from the hospice just happened to be leaving at the same time they flipped the bed.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
It's very often not a choice. But also, those rural areas are often the breadbaskets of the united states. Taking care of our farmers is important.

Trying to frame it as a choice also misses a lot. It technically is, but you have to recognize there's a huge cost in uprooting your entire life and moving to a new location.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
A pretty large number of EMS is also volunteers. Basically wherever you have a volunteer fire department, you'll have volunteer EMS (if it's there).
cogman10
·dün·discuss
We need to bring back standardization and regulation of cars. Aftermarket parts for cars has mostly collapsed because NHSTA has deregulated almost everything. Auto manufacturers have worked hard to try and stop any 2 vehicles from sharing parts. They are all bespoke, sometimes even to the model year of a car.

That's a big part of what's made it harder to maintain cars and has driven up the prices.

It should be possible, for example, to swap in a new infotainment system on any old car. It should be possible for 2 EVs from different manufacturers to swap batteries.
cogman10
·dün·discuss
The labor is a major part of the cost and a major reason for the lawsuit in the first place.

JD is charging anywhere from $130 to $210/hr [1] for labor. That is my point. And that $120 part can only be replaced by their technicians which means that while the part itself might be reasonably priced, the labor is forced.

That's what was being said about that part, it's a cheap part which you have to spend a lot of money on the labor to install it. The farmer spent from $380 to $520 to install that part. Not exactly that far off the $1000 mark.

> The tech came out and it took him a couple hours to diagnose that there was one small sensor out. And that one small sensor, I think it was a $120 part."

[1] https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=115102...