Brexit: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage Resigns(aljazeera.com)
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Brexit: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage Resigns
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Looks like he understood what a mess he has created. It's more of 'I am getting out before shit hits the fan' type decision.
So many comments in this thread regurgitating the same drivel, which by the way adds no value to the discussion. A man spends decades of his life working on something, and now you're telling me, after he achieves his goal, that he's having an epiphany and no longer believes in it?
There's a political bubble here on HN (a lot of hate for Brexit/UKIP), but that's not a reason to be able to make silly comments like this.
There's a political bubble here on HN (a lot of hate for Brexit/UKIP), but that's not a reason to be able to make silly comments like this.
I do agree that mine was a quick, to of my mind comment . But it looks suspicious at first glance. He is not all that high and mighty as he's sounding.
It occurred to me that with so much backstabbing in brexit rangs, one disgruntled key figure could bring the whole house crashing down. What would happen if BoJo would anounce “the whole thing was just a big lie, and I need to clear my conscience“ - irregardless of the merit of the statement, just out of spite.
It just seems to me that emotions are running wild post referendum in the leave camp.
It just seems to me that emotions are running wild post referendum in the leave camp.
He will continue being an MEP for another 2 years. Sounds like a bad joke.
Doesn't make sense, at all.
Farage is smart, very smart and he knows exactly what he is doing.
He has spent the last 20-odd years screaming about how bad the EU is saying it is undemocratic, wasteful, an affront to national sovereignty, promotes uncontrolled immigration and so on. Yet none of his or UKIPs arguments really stand up to serious scrutiny. He has been very good at redirecting the anger of marginalised communities away from the real source of their woes and towards the EU.
He has made people think that the EU is to blame for their problems, when in fact those problems are the responsibility of the UK government.
He has portrayed himself as a man of the people with the pint and ciggie, despite the fact that he is anything but.
He has managed to get the support of traditional Labour supporters despite the fact that he is as hard-right as they come. That's quite an achievement.
Don't forget that UKIP was founded as a fairly Liberal euroscpetic party. The original leader Alan Sked was forced out by Farages mob for being too intellectual.
Farage is a master manipulator and he knows that winning the referendum was only the first stage in a long process that will go on for years. He's taking a back seat now to avoid being a part of the current political maelstrom, but you can be certain he'll reappear when he knows he can take advantage of the situation. I also wouldn't be surprised if he is also pulling a few political string behind the scenes.
He has spent the last 20-odd years screaming about how bad the EU is saying it is undemocratic, wasteful, an affront to national sovereignty, promotes uncontrolled immigration and so on. Yet none of his or UKIPs arguments really stand up to serious scrutiny. He has been very good at redirecting the anger of marginalised communities away from the real source of their woes and towards the EU.
He has made people think that the EU is to blame for their problems, when in fact those problems are the responsibility of the UK government.
He has portrayed himself as a man of the people with the pint and ciggie, despite the fact that he is anything but.
He has managed to get the support of traditional Labour supporters despite the fact that he is as hard-right as they come. That's quite an achievement.
Don't forget that UKIP was founded as a fairly Liberal euroscpetic party. The original leader Alan Sked was forced out by Farages mob for being too intellectual.
Farage is a master manipulator and he knows that winning the referendum was only the first stage in a long process that will go on for years. He's taking a back seat now to avoid being a part of the current political maelstrom, but you can be certain he'll reappear when he knows he can take advantage of the situation. I also wouldn't be surprised if he is also pulling a few political string behind the scenes.
Sure it does. Nobody had plan for what "Brexit" actually means for the country. Farage just shouted louder and louder for 25 years until a combination of things swung things his way. Now real, difficult work has to be done he wants out of the spotlight as quickly as possible.
I wonder if BoJo and Farage are foreign plants...
If the Tories have any sense they'll drag this out for a year or two, get a rubbish set of new proposals, give us a new referendum and people will vote to stay this time.
If the Tories have any sense they'll drag this out for a year or two, get a rubbish set of new proposals, give us a new referendum and people will vote to stay this time.
That's probably as good a bet as anything else right now.
No one ever expected that the public would be daft enough to actually vote to leave the EU. I very much doubt whether success was ever part of the plan.
He's fucked the country and his self.
He's fucked the country and his self.
I find that extremely odd. It's like an engineer who doesn't look at that data at hand: Since 2005 every attempt to put a referendum (e.g. France, Netherlands, Greece) on any matter that had to do with the EU, ended up with anti-EU vote win.
So if you look closer at the data, then you'll see that anti-EU sentiment is way stronger then pro-EU throughout Europe.
I believe that people higher-up the food-chain have access and a say in the social and mass media. This creates a strong reality distorted (like London vs Rest of England).
So if you look closer at the data, then you'll see that anti-EU sentiment is way stronger then pro-EU throughout Europe.
I believe that people higher-up the food-chain have access and a say in the social and mass media. This creates a strong reality distorted (like London vs Rest of England).
you must be some kind of scientific racist
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
I presume UKIP will dissolve too. The party had the unique goal of getting the UK to leave the EU. Now that they achieved it, their raison d'etre is gone.
Not a chance, unfortunately. The membership are still there and they're still angry. My guess is that, having tasted political blood, they'll want more - and move further to the right. Something like France's Front National, or one of the openly fascist eastern European parties. I'm fairly sure that the remaining party leadership won't like this, in which case they will probably be replaced by new people who do.
I would be very surprised if that happened.
They received 4mm votes in the last general election. 17mm people voted for Brexit. I would fully expect that the UKIP leadership would look at that as a potential 13mm people that they can reach.
The traditional left-right politics is creaking in the UK and parties like SNP and UKIP have tapped into that. Even though both started as, effectively, single issue parties, SNP have morphed into a mainstream political party and I see no reason why UKIP wouldn't try too.
I have no real idea how successful they'll be as I'm not exactly the demographic that they're aimed at. But they've done pretty well in just about every measure except Parliamentary seats.
They received 4mm votes in the last general election. 17mm people voted for Brexit. I would fully expect that the UKIP leadership would look at that as a potential 13mm people that they can reach.
The traditional left-right politics is creaking in the UK and parties like SNP and UKIP have tapped into that. Even though both started as, effectively, single issue parties, SNP have morphed into a mainstream political party and I see no reason why UKIP wouldn't try too.
I have no real idea how successful they'll be as I'm not exactly the demographic that they're aimed at. But they've done pretty well in just about every measure except Parliamentary seats.
Arron Banks, the main funding for UKIP, had already lost faith in Farage. Farage had also fallen out with Doug Carswell. Looks like a coup, pure and simple.
I wouldn't discount Farage coming back, though.
I wouldn't discount Farage coming back, though.
Makes sense. He's achieved a goal he's spent his political career working for. And as such a minority party he'll have little say in the actual negotiations so why not retire?
Shouldn't he wait until the actual negotiations come to an end?
Farage is the second major pro-Brexit campaigner to quit, don't you find it curious?
Farage is the second major pro-Brexit campaigner to quit, don't you find it curious?
> Shouldn't he wait until the actual negotiations come to an end?
The negotiations will be done by the government.
Mr Farage will have no role in the negotiations.
Why waiting for something you have absolutely no role in?
The negotiations will be done by the government.
Mr Farage will have no role in the negotiations.
Why waiting for something you have absolutely no role in?
Farage/UKIP would not participate in the negotiating anyways. Boris Johnson surely is just waiting for a chance to come back.
A colleague of mine once called out this sort of behaviour for what it is: he called it the Seagull Style of Leadership. Basically you swoop down, scream, bully and crap all over everyone, then swoop off knowing your life's purpose is fulfilled.
Nigel Farage makes a fantastic seagull.
Nigel Farage makes a fantastic seagull.
To his credit, he has been an MEP for seventeen years.
No, he hasn't. He got a salary as he was and the UK people had a mandate for him to be a MEP, but he didn't turn up for work, so he wasn't a MEP.
If he'd bothered turning up regularly then I guess I'd be impressed.
He's also probably fed up with needing to have security follow him everywhere and having him and his family attacked in pubs. [1]
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/22/farage-calls...
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/22/farage-calls...
Being confronted by a conga line of people whom you regularly speak out against is considered being attacked?
Does he really believe these vicious conga lines of diversity will stop just because he quit?
Does he really believe these vicious conga lines of diversity will stop just because he quit?
They jumped on the bonnet of his car as he left.
It's clearly unacceptable in a civilised society.
It's clearly unacceptable in a civilised society.
He's considered a bigoted prick by a large majority of the country - I doubt quitting will remove the necessity of security.
Crashes car. Walks away.
Classy... He heavily contributed to creating a mess... admits it was based on lies... and is now jumping ship instead of helping steer it so it weathers the storm...
On the other hand, would you like to have him helping with steering? Even Tesla's autopilot does a better job.
Then again his goal was never to help steer anything or weather any storm[0], ol' nige was always in it for the destruction, his UKIP work is done, he's moving on to the next think he can fuck up.
[0] or he'd have been present at more than more than 1/42 meetings over his three years on the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, and would have voted or officially abstained on policy (as most other UKIP MEP did) instead of not showing up at all.
[0] or he'd have been present at more than more than 1/42 meetings over his three years on the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, and would have voted or officially abstained on policy (as most other UKIP MEP did) instead of not showing up at all.
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As much as I dislike Farage and everything he stands for (1) British politics is better off without him and his toxic divisiveness and (2) his party is so small that he couldn't make any difference anyway.
He's done enough damage so please let him go and let's hope he stays gone this time around (he already left once before and then came back to campaign for the 'leave' camp).
He's done enough damage so please let him go and let's hope he stays gone this time around (he already left once before and then came back to campaign for the 'leave' camp).
> As much as I dislike Farage and everything he stands for (1) British politics is better off without him and his toxic divisiveness
That would be nice, but I'm guessing he's coming back in a few years either as a Conservative of some sort or to help with far-right power plays in the Labour heartlands à la US Southern Strategy.
That would be nice, but I'm guessing he's coming back in a few years either as a Conservative of some sort or to help with far-right power plays in the Labour heartlands à la US Southern Strategy.
> his party is so small that he couldn't make any difference anyway
> He's done enough damage
These seem contradictory.
> He's done enough damage
These seem contradictory.
His party has only 1 single seat. But Farage as a person has been instrumental in creating strife. Much like Wilders in NL (who has far more seats in parliament here), politically he doesn't have much clout but he is very capable of fomenting dissent and division within our society (and the press is complicit in giving him a disproportional amount of airtime to spew his provocative bile).
> His party has only 1 single seat.
Number of seats in Parliament is a poor measure of influence. UKIP has had a major impact on British politics, particularly at the last General Election.
So much so that the EU Referendum was called, and indeed, a majority voted to fulfil the central purpose of UKIP.
Number of seats in Parliament is a poor measure of influence. UKIP has had a major impact on British politics, particularly at the last General Election.
So much so that the EU Referendum was called, and indeed, a majority voted to fulfil the central purpose of UKIP.
His party hasn't made any difference, he as an individual has.
UKIP is very right wing and no mainstream party will normally want to ally with them. Farage clearly wants to join the Conservative cabinet for post-brexit negotiations. He will probably join Andrea Leadsom's campaign, who has refused to rule out the possibility of giving him a position in the cabinet.
I think he'll get a peerage and be in the cabinet within the year.
UKIP in its current form is a continuing threat to the tories. They won't want anything to do with him.
I don't think UKIP will merge with the Conservatives, I suspect Farage will be offered a peerage by the next Conservative leader, particularly if they weren't a strong Brexit supporter.
There is no way Farage will leave politics. This is the man who stood for MP SEVEN TIMES and failed (so he became an MEP instead).
That's from May last year, when he resigned and then un-resigned after failing to win his seat in the last election.
Of course, possible a similar thing could happen again.
Of course, possible a similar thing could happen again.
This was after the General Election in May last year. Not the same story.
From 2015. I assume this was just a joke.
>Monday 11 May 2015 16.33 BST
Destroying stuff is just more fun than building stuff. That applies to kids in the sandbox like it does to ill-bred grown-up politicians.
Dropping a bomb onto a house is more fun than building one.
Leaving the EU with a bang was certainly more fun to him than the long negotiations that follow could ever be.
Dropping a bomb onto a house is more fun than building one.
Leaving the EU with a bang was certainly more fun to him than the long negotiations that follow could ever be.
This is like trolling everyone for no real good reason..Confusing to say the least
This is getting funny, but maybe I just don't get it: to me it looks like all major figureheads of both sides of the Brexit campaign are refusing to lead their country to the next step.
PM Cameron I can understand, he never wanted out of the EU so for him to step down was probably unavoidable. But that both Johnson and Farage are refusing to pick up the torch they've been given is inexcusable to me.
PM Cameron I can understand, he never wanted out of the EU so for him to step down was probably unavoidable. But that both Johnson and Farage are refusing to pick up the torch they've been given is inexcusable to me.
UKIP only have one MP in the UK Parliament, it would be unlikely they would be part of any Brexit negotiations.
Boris decided not to run as Tory Leader as you need a certain number of MPs to vote for you, and the top two candidates are then voted on by the Conservative Party Membership. I believe that when Gove started his own campaign, he took a lot of Boris's support away and he didn't have the necessary numbers of MPs to stand a chance of success.
Boris decided not to run as Tory Leader as you need a certain number of MPs to vote for you, and the top two candidates are then voted on by the Conservative Party Membership. I believe that when Gove started his own campaign, he took a lot of Boris's support away and he didn't have the necessary numbers of MPs to stand a chance of success.
I wonder if he'll move to Germany with his German wife.