After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving(reuters.com)
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After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-after-pressuring-telecom-firms-myanmars-junta-bans-executives-leaving-2021-07-05/
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After Libyan and Syrian civil war do people think that 3rd party involvement is a good thing?
There are signs and rumors that a 3rd party (here: China) is already involved, at least in the sense of "Go ahead, we will not do anything".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Myanmar_relation...
Libya and Syria: Same here, some 3rd parties are involved anyway. The question is if "the West" (I guess this is what you refer to) should/must/must not get involved as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Myanmar_relation...
Libya and Syria: Same here, some 3rd parties are involved anyway. The question is if "the West" (I guess this is what you refer to) should/must/must not get involved as well.
China was opposed to the military junta and preferred the previous government.
Their recent diplomatic stance isn't about involvement, it's them calculating that involvement isn't worth it and signaling to the junta that they shouldn't be afraid of involvement.
Their recent diplomatic stance isn't about involvement, it's them calculating that involvement isn't worth it and signaling to the junta that they shouldn't be afraid of involvement.
This is a huge lie. The CN government did not prefer the previous "american puppet" government at all. I don't know where this stupid meme keeps coming from but it has ZERO basis in reality...
The previous government was far from an American puppet and signed billions in deals with China.
The Junta government opposed them at every turn and doesn't like foreign investment.
The Junta government opposed them at every turn and doesn't like foreign investment.
The business apparatus understands cooperation between US-China where it makes sense during the transition.
It depends, I think Syria was a half hearted involvement, I think Bosnia we did actually do some good. Anyone know why Russia and China can’t be involved/lead a UN peacekeeping effort? Why block it, dictatorships good is their only thinking?
In Bosnia, the Clinton administration and the EU provided cover for the Serbs while pretending to do something. This provided a cause around which Jihad movements could coalesce (along with Chechnya) leading to both the "Jihad travel networks" and improvements in international resource flows to sponsor those. Later, during the Kosovo conflict, the Clinton administration bombed civilians in Belgrade and blew up passenger trains, trying to assert U.S. initiative which they had ceded to the Serbs and their patron Russia.
Syria was a half-hearted involvement? So sponsoring insurgencies to destabilize a sovereign country would have been good if only the government was also toppled? Iraq? The whole ISIS genocide rape torture destruction and blood letting thing was slightly inconvenient but I'm sure the people of these places will thank the enlightened noble Europeans and Americans for their gracious aid.
I would suggest not continuing to fall for it. It's not that war and intervention can't ever do "some" good. It's that the people behind wars and interventions are never interested in actually helping people. It's purely for money and power.
I would suggest not continuing to fall for it. It's not that war and intervention can't ever do "some" good. It's that the people behind wars and interventions are never interested in actually helping people. It's purely for money and power.
> After Libyan and Syrian civil war do people think that 3rd party involvement is a good thing?
What 3rd party involvement?
There are only 2 third parties doing anything.
Russia helping Assad to flatten his own country to the ground
And Turkey trying to at least deny them a complete victory by enforcing the Idlib pocket with its troops, and firepower on the ground.
What 3rd party involvement?
There are only 2 third parties doing anything.
Russia helping Assad to flatten his own country to the ground
And Turkey trying to at least deny them a complete victory by enforcing the Idlib pocket with its troops, and firepower on the ground.
I feel that Vietnam should get more credit than it did for invading Cambodia to depose the Khmer Rouge.
I agree. In the West this history is too obscure.
No we do not have to act. It's not our problem. It's none of our business.
If we don’t act, we don’t get to say ‘never again’.
"Never again" has never been the truth. Standing international policy seems to be to ignore just about any atrocities as long as they're within a country's borders, and to a country's own citizens, with a couple rare exceptions when there's oil we can liberate.
China has already ensured that with their genocide.
Foreign billionaires adopting some of the military leadership and brokering a peace (piece) ?
We also need to do something about Iran, North Korea, Eritrea, DRC, etc.
Why Myanmar now?
Why Myanmar now?
1. Pull more countries under resolution 377, to put more pressure on Burma around the security council
2. India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything
3. International intervention under resolution 377
4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough
2. India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything
3. International intervention under resolution 377
4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough
> 4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough
Dear me. I hope not. If you look at a map, Burma is nestled between the two nuclear armed up-and-coming superpowers. This is not the part of the world to be seeking adventure by doing political assassinations on military figures.
That sounds almost like the script before WWI.
Dear me. I hope not. If you look at a map, Burma is nestled between the two nuclear armed up-and-coming superpowers. This is not the part of the world to be seeking adventure by doing political assassinations on military figures.
That sounds almost like the script before WWI.
> India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything
Don't expect anything unless thousands of refugees start pouring in India.
Don't expect anything unless thousands of refugees start pouring in India.
Myanmar violence triggers asylum crisis for India's northeastern states
https://m.dw.com/en/myanmar-india-mizoram-asylum/a-57171804
https://m.dw.com/en/myanmar-india-mizoram-asylum/a-57171804
Yet it didn't require a travel ban to get similar capabilities implemented for the NSA, GCHQ et al.
The UK and the USA need to be more subtle to sneak past the limits of what is democratically acceptable. A military dictatorship, not so much.
Military dictatorship just cannot afford the media and all the theatre of democracy.
If people have 1-3 parties to choose from, they'll vote for one of them, without thinking it's the same thing just different label.
I wonder how international companies handle this. Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law but may be considered part of their duty to employees (similar to rescuing people stuck in a war zone due to a business trip).
Why those executives were in the country is another question.
Why those executives were in the country is another question.
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Never underestimate the power of greed to overwhelm any moral questions. Pay people enough and you will find some people will overlook even their own security.
> Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law
Who the f--k be caring about local law now? Pissant MNC lawyers finding chutzpah to pretend like as if nothing is happening?
There is no law there. It's a military junta. They must snap out of this.
Who the f--k be caring about local law now? Pissant MNC lawyers finding chutzpah to pretend like as if nothing is happening?
There is no law there. It's a military junta. They must snap out of this.
Companies don't care about employees. They'll probably pay some hush money and consider matter closed.
Makes me think of this: https://xkcd.com/538.
Well, those idiots thought they will not touch foreigners... because they are "foreigners?"
Now reap what you sow.
The value of their passports are no more to Burmese military than lives of their own citizens.
Now they will have time to contemplate how deeply concerned they are in Burmese jails.
Now reap what you sow.
The value of their passports are no more to Burmese military than lives of their own citizens.
Now they will have time to contemplate how deeply concerned they are in Burmese jails.
I don't follow what "they sow". It seems that they were ordered by the military to implement surveillance and now they are personally threatened. I cannot comment on their intelligence but maybe you could provide some information.
> I don't follow what "they sow".
> I cannot comment on their intelligence but maybe you could provide some information.
Western companies in Burma largely collaborated with the junta with great enthusiasm, going above and beyond what a person simply coerced will do.
https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/national/bangladesh-blast...
They hope to ride this out, and have chummy relationship with the government under junta.
And this is when their execs largely fare from countries proclaiming themselves most liberal out there.
> I cannot comment on their intelligence but maybe you could provide some information.
Western companies in Burma largely collaborated with the junta with great enthusiasm, going above and beyond what a person simply coerced will do.
https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/national/bangladesh-blast...
They hope to ride this out, and have chummy relationship with the government under junta.
And this is when their execs largely fare from countries proclaiming themselves most liberal out there.
It's more complex than just that. For a while (early to late 2010's), Myanmar was widely seen as being on the path to become a functioning democracy. Engaging such fledgling democracies economically is generally believed to be a good thing.
I know it's easier to just lump everyone into "good" or "evil" categories but it's not that simple.
I know it's easier to just lump everyone into "good" or "evil" categories but it's not that simple.
It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?