New Tesla Roadster delayed again, now shooting for 2023(uk.motor1.com)
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New Tesla Roadster delayed again, now shooting for 2023
https://uk.motor1.com/news/530472/tesla-roadster-delayed-2023/
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Did anyone ever figure out if Cybertruck is delayed to 2022 or just that orders placed now would fulfill in 2022?
“you will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in 2022.”[1]
Rivian is frantically trying to IPO for $80 billion during September. If possible, before they actually ship any trucks.
Meanwhile, Ford is coming out with the electric Ford F-150. They have 70,000 pre-orders. Also, the boring but useful Ford Transit commercial van is going electric.
[1] https://electrek.co/2021/08/07/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-ele...
Rivian is frantically trying to IPO for $80 billion during September. If possible, before they actually ship any trucks.
Meanwhile, Ford is coming out with the electric Ford F-150. They have 70,000 pre-orders. Also, the boring but useful Ford Transit commercial van is going electric.
[1] https://electrek.co/2021/08/07/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-ele...
I think the F150 Lightening has 130k reservations now: https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/1433425758307770380
I recall in the Jobs era of Apple that a lot of people bought a lot of products that were knockoffs of Apple products with the Apple-ness toned down. People really enjoyed those products and they wouldn’t necessarily have had them if someone hadn’t gone first.
I’m not comparing Elon to Steve, but I think with the possible exception of SpaceX much of what I appreciate about Elon is as a goad or a foil for other people to respond to.
He’s not actually making the electric F-150, but isn’t he really? In a way?
I’m not comparing Elon to Steve, but I think with the possible exception of SpaceX much of what I appreciate about Elon is as a goad or a foil for other people to respond to.
He’s not actually making the electric F-150, but isn’t he really? In a way?
That’s one way to look at it, but the market was already headed this direction long before the Cybertruck was announced.
Rivian, for example, purchased their factory in like 2017 and it’s very likely that the F150 Lightning was in the works in earnest before that Cybertruck was sketched on a napkin since Ford was talking about and teasing working prototypes of the electric F150 before the Cybertruck was announced.
What Musk is great at, above his other talents, is being a great marketer IMO.
Rivian, for example, purchased their factory in like 2017 and it’s very likely that the F150 Lightning was in the works in earnest before that Cybertruck was sketched on a napkin since Ford was talking about and teasing working prototypes of the electric F150 before the Cybertruck was announced.
What Musk is great at, above his other talents, is being a great marketer IMO.
I think big auto commitment to electric would have remained half-hearted and unsuccessful until Tesla showed it could be fine.
Maybe, but some governments are/were planning to ban combustion vehicles. There’s no doubt the big automakers are going to make profits off of their existing technology as long as possible.
Ford seems even more battery constrained than Tesla. Currently on track to ship 15,000 F150L units in 2022, up to 85k/year in 2024.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lightning-production...
Rivian, Hummer, Ford and Tesla will all ship electric trucks next year, but sadly none of them in large numbers.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-f-150-lightning-production...
Rivian, Hummer, Ford and Tesla will all ship electric trucks next year, but sadly none of them in large numbers.
I saw a Rivian driving down the 280 a few weeks ago so I think they're getting close.
Isn't Rivian partnered with Ford?
I will be impressed if they deliver any in 2022.
Prepare to be impressed.
> Provided "2022 is not mega drama."
In other words, "No."
We've pretty much broken the global supply chains with the pandemic, the responses to it, and everything else as the wheels of our global industrial civilization start grinding to a halt.
Even the "big boys" are struggling - Toyota has cut production roughly in half because they can't get chips. GM just announced they are shutting down most of their North American plants for two weeks because... they can't get chips.
Supply chains are broken. Basic electronic components, basic microcontrollers, are listed many places as "We don't have any, we don't know when we'll have any, don't ask" (coded as "52 week lead time" - I assume that's the maximum the system supports). You can't rely on getting stuff, and if you do get it, you can't rely on getting the same stuff in a month. This is before getting into any of the various global events that could really put a crimp on chip supplies...
Just once, I'd love to see Tesla be honest. "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."
In other words, "No."
We've pretty much broken the global supply chains with the pandemic, the responses to it, and everything else as the wheels of our global industrial civilization start grinding to a halt.
Even the "big boys" are struggling - Toyota has cut production roughly in half because they can't get chips. GM just announced they are shutting down most of their North American plants for two weeks because... they can't get chips.
Supply chains are broken. Basic electronic components, basic microcontrollers, are listed many places as "We don't have any, we don't know when we'll have any, don't ask" (coded as "52 week lead time" - I assume that's the maximum the system supports). You can't rely on getting stuff, and if you do get it, you can't rely on getting the same stuff in a month. This is before getting into any of the various global events that could really put a crimp on chip supplies...
Just once, I'd love to see Tesla be honest. "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."
> "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."
Didn't they essentially just say something close to this in corporate speak?
It seems quite clear that they have every intention to make them, as soon as they're quite literally able to do so from a supply chain perspective.
I currently have 9 month lead times from near every contactable company in the world for some simple polyurethane products. If polyurethane production is that backed up and having to prioritize its largest customers with existing contracts... it's somehow not too hard for me to think that there might be some real trouble with materials for the roadster, especially given the fact they're trying to make something selling for roughly $250k that puts $1MM+ competitors to shame.
Didn't they essentially just say something close to this in corporate speak?
It seems quite clear that they have every intention to make them, as soon as they're quite literally able to do so from a supply chain perspective.
I currently have 9 month lead times from near every contactable company in the world for some simple polyurethane products. If polyurethane production is that backed up and having to prioritize its largest customers with existing contracts... it's somehow not too hard for me to think that there might be some real trouble with materials for the roadster, especially given the fact they're trying to make something selling for roughly $250k that puts $1MM+ competitors to shame.
> Just once, I'd love to see Tesla be honest. "We have no idea if we're ever going to be able to make these at this point."
But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020). Hard to admit you're wrong when your personality is built around always being right.
On a less cynical note, it's a cool car and I hope it gets built.
But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020). Hard to admit you're wrong when your personality is built around always being right.
On a less cynical note, it's a cool car and I hope it gets built.
> your personality is built around always being right.
Amazing how effective this is. There is a C level executive at the Unicorn I work at that tweets Musk daily asking him for help or advice, of course getting no response. It's as if it's some sort of daily prayer.
Amazing how effective this is. There is a C level executive at the Unicorn I work at that tweets Musk daily asking him for help or advice, of course getting no response. It's as if it's some sort of daily prayer.
I'd pull the ripcord if the leadership is that prone to inanity.
Yeah, I'm just trying to be really picky with my next company so the job hunt is taking a while.
> It's as if it's some sort of daily prayer.
That's probably the whole point of it. Ask yourself daily: WWMD? "What Would Musk Do?"
That's probably the whole point of it. Ask yourself daily: WWMD? "What Would Musk Do?"
impossible to say, since he hasn't gotten back to a single tweet
The cringeyness of this story is palpable. The tweets must be hilarious to read, though.
Sounds like one of those "VC congratulate themselves" twitters where a bot goes through and surfaces good ones.
I've always wondered why celebs like Elon tweet. Do people not have close friends? Or is it that when Elon tweets he only sees his friends respond? All I see are troll accounts responding and it makes me wonder why anyone busy bothers.
I've always wondered why celebs like Elon tweet. Do people not have close friends? Or is it that when Elon tweets he only sees his friends respond? All I see are troll accounts responding and it makes me wonder why anyone busy bothers.
The irony of a developer website where everyone is pissed at somebody else's inability to do good estimates.
> But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020). Hard to admit you're wrong when your personality is built around always being right.
If that's how Elon Musk thinks, he really needs to read that website that compiled all his broken promises (and how overdue he was).
Though, who knows, he might be so delusional that it wouldn't have any effect (e.g. like Trump seems to be).
If that's how Elon Musk thinks, he really needs to read that website that compiled all his broken promises (and how overdue he was).
Though, who knows, he might be so delusional that it wouldn't have any effect (e.g. like Trump seems to be).
Perhaps his personality is built around being confidant, not necessarily right.
I’m not a Elon Musk fan at all, but I thought it’s well known to pretty much add a factor of 10x to whatever his timelines or estimates are?
Though I would disagree with his personality built on being right - it’s built on being a futuristic visionary problem solver. Whether he’s actually solving problems, and whether they even need to be solved, that’s up for debate.
Though I would disagree with his personality built on being right - it’s built on being a futuristic visionary problem solver. Whether he’s actually solving problems, and whether they even need to be solved, that’s up for debate.
I am not a Musk fanboy either, but you probably haven’t seen the recent 3 part video “Starbase tour with Elon Musk”.
He states at least once that he is wrong all the time. At other moments he says other similar things (but sometimes more related to engeneering for example: “All designs are wrong… just a matter of how wrong”).
But I have to agree, before seeing that video I didn’t see him being so open to being wrong, and also not as technically involved or at least knowledgeable…
He states at least once that he is wrong all the time. At other moments he says other similar things (but sometimes more related to engeneering for example: “All designs are wrong… just a matter of how wrong”).
But I have to agree, before seeing that video I didn’t see him being so open to being wrong, and also not as technically involved or at least knowledgeable…
Near miss.
"Step one: Make the requirements less dumb. The requirements are definitely dumb; it does not matter who gave them to you. It’s particularly dangerous when they come from an intelligent person, as you may not question them enough. Everyone’s wrong. No matter who you are, everyone is wrong some of the time. All designs are wrong, it’s just a matter of how wrong."
https://mondaynote.com/what-makes-elon-musk-move-so-fast-8e7...
"Step one: Make the requirements less dumb. The requirements are definitely dumb; it does not matter who gave them to you. It’s particularly dangerous when they come from an intelligent person, as you may not question them enough. Everyone’s wrong. No matter who you are, everyone is wrong some of the time. All designs are wrong, it’s just a matter of how wrong."
https://mondaynote.com/what-makes-elon-musk-move-so-fast-8e7...
> But Elon said it'll all blow over by May (2020).
So did a lot of people, including myself. I wasn't expecting people/government to react the way they did.
So did a lot of people, including myself. I wasn't expecting people/government to react the way they did.
I read a lot about last century’s pandemic flu and in most cases people and governments reacted similarly, including the anti-mask protests and politicization.
Some auto manufacturers have already removed electronic features so that they can continue building vehicles with fewer chips.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/amid-chip-shortagegm-removes-st...
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/amid-chip-shortagegm-removes-st...
This is true in general, but probably not for the Roadster. This is a low-volume, likely money-losing Halo product. They only ever made ~2500 of the original roadsters, and at quarter mil a pop, probably won't have a substantially larger run for these.
Main problem here is that the new Plaid has made this kinda irrelevant. The marketting pages for both the Model S and the Roadster list the same 0-60 times. They pretty much have to do that whiz-bang cold thruster magic they've talked about if they want this car to make any sense at all.
I suspect, most of all, that they don't have the capacity to make this many models in parallel - Plaid X, structural battery 3 and Y, cybertruck, semi. They're just not that large of a company. Sucks for car fans, but probably better for their bottom line if they just concentrate on their current offerings.
Main problem here is that the new Plaid has made this kinda irrelevant. The marketting pages for both the Model S and the Roadster list the same 0-60 times. They pretty much have to do that whiz-bang cold thruster magic they've talked about if they want this car to make any sense at all.
I suspect, most of all, that they don't have the capacity to make this many models in parallel - Plaid X, structural battery 3 and Y, cybertruck, semi. They're just not that large of a company. Sucks for car fans, but probably better for their bottom line if they just concentrate on their current offerings.
I mean, you could prefer a smaller, lighter, better handling vehicle even if it doesn't have more horsepower. That's traditionally what a sports car was.
I'm sure the Plaid model S is faster than an MG TC too.
I'm sure the Plaid model S is faster than an MG TC too.
Yeah, Model S Plaid is likely going to cannibalize sales from the Roadster for customers like me that just want a car with a ridiculous 0-60 time because accelerating like that from stop lights is fun as hell.
The only reason I don't have an S Plaid now is because the Model 3 Performance I'm driving now is already a larger feeling car than I want to drive. The Model S is a full-sized sedan, and I'd rather drive a 2-door coupe like my BRZ was. Also, being a convertible would be pretty sweet.
The only reason I don't have an S Plaid now is because the Model 3 Performance I'm driving now is already a larger feeling car than I want to drive. The Model S is a full-sized sedan, and I'd rather drive a 2-door coupe like my BRZ was. Also, being a convertible would be pretty sweet.
I drove a Plaid today. It was positively yucky. I'm still totally happy with the acceleration in my non-Ludicrous X. :)
> ...because accelerating like that from stop lights is fun as hell.
Until your first tire replacement bill. Then it gets old, fast.
Until your first tire replacement bill. Then it gets old, fast.
If you have a $60k-150k+ car then it’s not a huge deal.
A lot of tires have warranties too. I was getting my tires for 50% or less. (Michelin PS4S) Still had to pay for mount and balance but that’s how it goes.
A lot of tires have warranties too. I was getting my tires for 50% or less. (Michelin PS4S) Still had to pay for mount and balance but that’s how it goes.
I'm still waiting for the cold air thruster version that defies tire technology.
It'd be one thing if it was a joke for the presentation but Musk has doubled down on it...
It'd be one thing if it was a joke for the presentation but Musk has doubled down on it...
The big thing you’re ignoring is that Elon promised 1000+ miles range on the roadster. The Model S is nowhere near that range.
what even is the issue with manufacturing? is it labor still? You would think at this point the virus has came and went through most working class neighborhoods and a lot of people are carrying antibodies and no longer all finding themselves too ill to work at once. At least that's the case when we look at working class neighborhoods in the U.S.
For the chip shortage, I thought it was related to water supply? But that the water shortage is passed, and now it's a matter of catching up.
But that's just what I've heard, I may be misinformed.
But that's just what I've heard, I may be misinformed.
If its backlogged so much why can't they just cancel orders and refund customers? It seems like it might be worth the hit to just start from scratch and let new orders come in rather than be in this legendary bind trying to fight through the mess. Seems like this sort of thing would even be insured.
Any customer has been and is able to get a refund if they want. From reports of those have done so, money is returned within a week.
I can't imagine why anyone would expect Tesla to preemptively force refunds to all. I'm sure the first 10 or so pre-orders would be pissed to lose their serial number spot for no reason.
I can't imagine why anyone would expect Tesla to preemptively force refunds to all. I'm sure the first 10 or so pre-orders would be pissed to lose their serial number spot for no reason.
I’m not sure if you mean Tesla or manufacturing in general. But it’s not labor in general. It’s specific problems in specific places, and supply chains have dependencies on those places.
For example, Vietnam just went into lockdown. Less than 3% of the population is vaccinated.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/tangled-v...
For example, Vietnam just went into lockdown. Less than 3% of the population is vaccinated.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/tangled-v...
> It’s specific problems in specific places, and supply chains have dependencies on those places.
Back a few years, floods in Thailand caused issues with the hard drive supply:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Thailand_floods
* https://www.zdnet.com/article/thailand-floods-to-lead-to-har...
* https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-lessons-of-thailands-flood
People are still trading efficiency for resilience it seems.
Back a few years, floods in Thailand caused issues with the hard drive supply:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Thailand_floods
* https://www.zdnet.com/article/thailand-floods-to-lead-to-har...
* https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-lessons-of-thailands-flood
People are still trading efficiency for resilience it seems.
Is this a supply chain problem or a elon problem?
https://elonmusk.today/
https://elonmusk.today/
Still waiting for SpaceX to go to Mars?
I did some quick googling and reservations for a signature 2020 roadster were able to be placed as of November 2017 for $50,000. At that time Tesla's stock price was around $60. (I'm assuming that price is adjusted for the stock split that occurred, correct me if I'm wrong.)
As of right now the stock is about $730. Had one purchased Tesla stock instead of reserving a roadster in 2017 it would now be valued at around $600k which is enough to buy 2 roadsters and change at $250k each. Who knows where it will be in 2023. If I recall correctly reserving a signature Model X was a similarly terrible investment vs buying the stock.
As of right now the stock is about $730. Had one purchased Tesla stock instead of reserving a roadster in 2017 it would now be valued at around $600k which is enough to buy 2 roadsters and change at $250k each. Who knows where it will be in 2023. If I recall correctly reserving a signature Model X was a similarly terrible investment vs buying the stock.
I've done the same type of math over buying Apple gear and working for income vs buying Apple stock and just hanging out in Thailand or Chile teaching English on the weekends.
Predicting the future is hard. Tesla almost went bankrupt multiple times. It's ok to have a car instead of a retirement.
Predicting the future is hard. Tesla almost went bankrupt multiple times. It's ok to have a car instead of a retirement.
Every time I buy Apple products I spend the same amount on AAPL.
Yes it gets expensive, but so far its been a very good investment - i wouldn't actually call it a strategy - method..
Since its very expensive - I don't buy as much hardware as I otherwise probably would.
Since its very expensive - I don't buy as much hardware as I otherwise probably would.
If you preordered the Tesla roadster and bought $250,000 of Tesla stock you made millions and got a free car.
I'm not that rich :)
I mean, isn't buying a car a terrible investment in general? Reserving a Mach E is a similarly terrible investment vs buying Ford stock.
A pile of money doesn't get me from point A to point B (well, I guess if you give a small part of the pile to someone selling transport, it might).
Much better investments in terms of transportation are available than flagship electric vehicles, however.
Much better investments in terms of transportation are available than flagship electric vehicles, however.
And if you bought a $50,000 reservation and an additional $25,000 worth of Tesla OTM call LEAP options you’d probably have closer to $10,000,000
Who cares about that thought process just focus on making money and never run out
Who cares about that thought process just focus on making money and never run out
Reservations were novel early on, but now I just don’t think they make any sense.
Reservations and preorders are just interest free loans
The "interest" is the value added by being in a queue so that you can get $THING sooner than if you didn't reserve a spot.
Whether the value of the $THING (and having it earlier) actually justifies the opportunity cost of the deposit simply depends on the cost/thing/schedule and the buyer's wishes.
Whether the value of the $THING (and having it earlier) actually justifies the opportunity cost of the deposit simply depends on the cost/thing/schedule and the buyer's wishes.
And provide a more accurate minimum production estimate since people are actually putting down money to commit.
I remember buying a car in 2000 in Europe -- walk into small dealership with almost no cars, place order, wait a good bit of time for it to arrive.
I thought, "Sure do like that American way of buying a vehicle that's already on the lot."
And here I sit with reservations for an electric F-150 and a Tesla vehicle, and it's hard to know when either will actually be available for delivery.
I thought, "Sure do like that American way of buying a vehicle that's already on the lot."
And here I sit with reservations for an electric F-150 and a Tesla vehicle, and it's hard to know when either will actually be available for delivery.
The F-150's range is not great - how do you plan to use the vehicle?
What makes you say that?
The stated ranges for the trucks include towing a load. Without the load, the range increases quite a bit.
I'll mostly use it for family adventuring -- weekend skiing, camping, cycling.
The stated ranges for the trucks include towing a load. Without the load, the range increases quite a bit.
I'll mostly use it for family adventuring -- weekend skiing, camping, cycling.
You know back in the Reagan era I recall the grownups lambasting the communists because if you wanted a car you had to go on a waitlist.
A waitlist! Can you imagine the indignity of a waitlist?
A waitlist! Can you imagine the indignity of a waitlist?
I needed a new vehicle earlier in the year, and the forums suggested I'd be waiting several months. Instead, I used a commercial broker. Didn't get to choose the colour, but one arrived (to my doorstep) in 2 weeks. So it seems just like in communist times there are waitlists for some and not others?
I'd love to see them do a small, striped down, cheap car for AutoX and track nights. I guess battery costs are the real issue.
Not surprising. I'm still waiting for Tesla Semi, which was supposed to be released in 2019. But two years later, the production hasn't started. But hey, we got Tesla Bot.
If Elon says they're shooting for 2023, then 2025 is more likely.
Which will be perfect as that'll be about the time I'll have the money for one.
Which will be perfect as that'll be about the time I'll have the money for one.
It's honestly insane when you lay it out, the Tesla Roadster (1st gen) was produced 2008-2012, it took them until 2017 to even announce a successor, aiming to deliver in 2020. Now the deliver date is 2023 assuming that 2022 isn't a mega drama (yeah I'm sure that'll age well). And how does this come to us? Fucking twitter.
Elon Musk's companies have often produced good things, but I find it fascinating that a man who wants to be great, can't even be half-decent.
Elon Musk's companies have often produced good things, but I find it fascinating that a man who wants to be great, can't even be half-decent.
It is supposed to be able to fly too.
Hey Tesla folks, if you're reading this, when's that "full self driving" coming along for real? Or will it always be "later this year"? I'm baffled there's no class action lawsuit by now, especially by people who forked over $10K for a feature that doesn't exist.
Don’t listen to this person. Take all the time you need. The impatience of a few loud, litigious people is no counterbalance to public safety except where lunatics are concerned.
"This person" is a deep learning researcher who knows they aren't going to be able to do it with cameras alone. I want them to learn some humility and refund $10K to people, not deliver it per se. I myself didn't pay for "FSD" on my Tesla, of course.
Do you mind sharing some of your "Deep Learning Research" work?
"Sebastian Thrun. He told me the whole industry is about to reboot. And then I saw why he said that. He literally invented the modern autonomous car field.
He started Google’s autonomous team and told me he made a mistake going with LiDAR."
https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1433495119966048263
"Sebastian Thrun. He told me the whole industry is about to reboot. And then I saw why he said that. He literally invented the modern autonomous car field.
He started Google’s autonomous team and told me he made a mistake going with LiDAR."
https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1433495119966048263
> Do you mind sharing some of your "Deep Learning Research" work?
To what end? I value my anonymity here. I wish there was a way to anonymously bet money on these outcomes. I'd bet you $10K (the cost of the thing) that there will be no "FSD" "later this year" like Tesla is promising.
It is also baffling that people still read Scoble who knows nothing about anything.
To what end? I value my anonymity here. I wish there was a way to anonymously bet money on these outcomes. I'd bet you $10K (the cost of the thing) that there will be no "FSD" "later this year" like Tesla is promising.
It is also baffling that people still read Scoble who knows nothing about anything.
You completely just glossed over how Sebastian Thrun has changed his mind about Lidar and went straight to disparaging Scoble.
A valid argument on why you think Thrun is wrong would have served stance point better.
A valid argument on why you think Thrun is wrong would have served stance point better.
I respect Thrun. He's a brilliant researcher and a very smart man. I've read his "Probabilistic robotics" book. I can also tell you right now that he's _wrong_. There will not be purely optical FSD on non-modified city roads shared with humans in the foreseeable future. Highways? Maybe. But not city roads. The problem is exponentially more complex there. It is even more so on top of that if you have to _estimate_ rather than _measure_ distances to things. It is true that the LIDAR does not simplify it all that much, but LIDAR at least gives you a fairly good idea of where all the obstacles are so you could avoid them. That's what it's for. Cameras fed into neural nets have to _guess_ based on appearance of things and stereoscopy. They are also subject to all the other limitations of optical sensors: rain, snow, fog, dirt on the camera (anyone who has a Tesla knows the cameras get dirt on them pretty easily), and just plain not recognizing an obstacle if it's positioned in a way that the neural network just happened to not generalize for.
We (humans) can only do this purely optically because we have general intelligence and extensive knowledge about the world. The FSD computer in your Tesla does not.
We (humans) can only do this purely optically because we have general intelligence and extensive knowledge about the world. The FSD computer in your Tesla does not.
Just FYI, many other high-level experts on this space like Anthony Levandowski who actually worked with Sebastian Thrun after meeting him at the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge. Said the same thing.
There's a reason why I asked if you could share your work. Because those two individuals are clearly at the top of their field. If your thesis is correct, then it's easily worth 100+M if not 1B+ USD in value.
It's easy to be hyper critical, compared to actually being in the trenches trying to solve these hard problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNgEG5rCav4&t=110
There's a reason why I asked if you could share your work. Because those two individuals are clearly at the top of their field. If your thesis is correct, then it's easily worth 100+M if not 1B+ USD in value.
It's easy to be hyper critical, compared to actually being in the trenches trying to solve these hard problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNgEG5rCav4&t=110
BTW, can you give a quick summary on sensors for autonomous ships?
Do they use lidar/radar/magnetic sensors ?!
Naively, i assume waves/spray is a one-time technical hurdle, but after this it is much easier to get autonomous ships?
Do they use lidar/radar/magnetic sensors ?!
Naively, i assume waves/spray is a one-time technical hurdle, but after this it is much easier to get autonomous ships?
https://polymarket.com/ might be interesting for a betting market on such things. Not sure how to start one though.