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Weneedlead
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>The only thing I know that can help with this is accepting in one's heart that humans are nearly entirely wrong about nearly everything, and making peace with it.

I can't. Being wrong means that people exterminate themselves. It isn't something meaningless that doesn't matter.

>Also, people don't choose their views—for the most part we're conditioned by our backgrounds.

Ironically, this appears to be another symptom, just like the intensification of their existing beliefs by contrary evidence. Which also makes them intensify their belief in ever increasing progress even as the majority turns into savages.
Weneedlead
·3 năm trước·discuss
I really mean it, though. It does seem to be the other way round than what's claimed, and I really don't know what to do with it.
Weneedlead
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Nobility used to have the highest lead levels, while violent tribes used to have the lowest. How do you explain that?
Weneedlead
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Tobacco smoke contains heavy metals, smoking rises lead levels. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322790056_Blood_Lea...

11 out of the 76 short term exposed workers had myopia, while 10 out of 124 long term exposed workers had myopia, which is much less.
Weneedlead
·3 năm trước·discuss
>any more than the baseline level

Again. Can't you see it's a circular argument? How did you determine that it's the 'baseline'?

>people are likely getting more lead than 100 years ago.

People used to get much more. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03054...
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I don't think I broke any rules, and my comments are on topic. Anyway, why do you fight so hard? You would get cured too.
Weneedlead
·3 năm trước·discuss
>The body has plenty of functions that are best left on their default settings or minimized.

We're arguing what the 'default' is. I'm arguing the default state is with lead. It would be strange for a protein to evolve to get so easily activated by a toxin.

>To show it's healthy you'd need studies showing better health of exposed people, or at least some theoretical reason you'd want lead to make it even plausible.

I thing it's completely uncontroversial that the current typical human health is at the historic rock bottom.

There is no reason theoretical or not to believe it is toxic in the first place, except for the strange claim that the body uses it in error.

>The neanderthals probably ate stuff from lead rich soil or something, that doesn't prove it wasn't harmful.

That's an absurd claim, and really grasping at straws, don't you think? Mote that the remains aren't many. It isn't that they sieved through thousands of teeth to find a couple that were poisoned.
Weneedlead
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Lead deficiency makes people asocial, which is why we've seen the downturn of western industries. That was my point.
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It's a lie. The effects are always beneficial except in extreme doses. No dose that makes no difference is exactly what you would expect from a nutrient.

Lead activates the proteins it supoosedly poisons: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12425341_Inorganic_...

Yes, teeth and bones use most of the lead that you consume. But why is there lead in the teeth of neandethals? https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2018/250000-year-o...

Yes, iron overload seems to interfere with lead. Calcium not so much, it seems it rather makes lead used for building more bone. Licking lead causes cravings for calcium rich food.
Weneedlead
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The fact that it has always been there casts a great doubt on the claims about its toxicity. It can be found through the ages in human remains and in geological remains that clearly predate people.
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Yes, they never get to the stage when you talk nonsense when they drink alcohol. (they can't readily tell, it seems, they need to test you in some way)

I'm saying that the majority is now psychopaths.

I'm still more inclined that the drop in IQ is an artifact, but even if intelligence is improved in some way, it's useless when the person is asocial.

Not my first post, not that it matters.
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The levels have been recently lowered, IIRC.