Let's call it "Westerners blaming China to feel better, while they all get the virus anyway". Seems to be Western-style policy in a nutshell right now.
If you call saving millions of Chinese people despicable, it sounds like you're to be despised.
The cake isn't cooked yet, but Western governments are already eager to play the blame game, while China got on with getting results. Nearly zero new cases. Contained to Hebei.
You've been reading fake news... and worse, believing it. They're not pushing a conspiracy theory. They're taking a victory lap.
The comments about it being a bio weapon are from the FM, who is just volleying back Pompeo's comment about it being the "China virus". That's all it is. Tit for tat. If you believe everyone in China is obsessed with blaming the US for the virus origins, or, worse, that Chinese people believe it's a bioweapon, you're wrong, sorry.
They contained a crazy new pathogen in the biggest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game, and domestically their media is taking a victory lap. It's just revealing of Western incompetence, and insecurity that Western media is fanning these blaming narratives.
If you want to make me feel better, I thank you. Start by admitting your pro-Western propoganda does not tell you what's really happening in China.
Because there's one narrative in China, folks, and this douchebag knows what it is.
But seriously, don't buy what he's selling.
The only narrative China needs right now is its victory lap. It's nearly stopped new cases. Xi visited Hebei/Wuhan.
The comment above is wishful thinking of the highest order, and perfect projection. It's Western media and nincompoops like this clown who seem to need to play the "blame game"
China got on with solving the problem. Now they're taking a victory lap and responding to requests to help overseas. The Chinese, if they are blaming anyone, are not blaming foreigners for this, they're blaming the Hebei provincial authorities for their initial mistakes in handling it.
Because they've been successful at containing a virus in the largest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game. It's slow-to-act and complacement Western-style governments that are in desperate need of a finger of blame to point at anyone but themselves.
Drop the China bashing. If we're going to criticize any government on this issue, we need to criticize all of them.
Was there really any government without guilt or incompetence in their handling of this?
Really nobody who in any way delayed taking steps, nobody who in any way sat on information, nobody who in any way instructed a certain type of scale of coverage in an attempt to minimize panic?
Let those without sin cast the first stone.
But actually, I think the "blame game" is bullshit.
Everyone should just be like, "Holy crap, this virus doesn't care about what passport you have, we all need to just work together on this."
Good to see people contesting the blame narrative here, but better if we didn't promote this news at all. This is a highly technical site, surely there's a chance to share articles about studies, algorithms, ways data scientists/programmers/bioinformaticians can get involved, pool resources, donate cloud time, etc.
It's centered on the island of Hainan. I want to know what the center of mass is for that picture, since the humans are not uniformly distributed in that circle.
Really? This one is a 3D sensor. Off-the-screen gestures. Have you seen people making gestures above the surface of their phones?
I haven't seen that. Why hasn't it happened yet?
edit: Anywho, let's check the Microchip website. They don't call it what you said. There's no capacitive touch on its page, just the title. It's all 3D e-field. I think you must have got the wrong chip. Where did you see it?
Why has this not taken off? Off-the-surface gestures seem like they'd really enrich smartphone experience. I don't get why this low power proven tech has not been incorporated into phones. It's already 8 years old!
Calmly relating my perspective is not bickering. It's not even meta, because I was directly addressing what's written.
Maybe some people are not happy with it, but you don't have to be the instrument of their will. I think you should have stood up for me when people accuse my original comment of being hostile when it wasn't, and the only thing hostile was reading it as hostile, and calling it pompous. How is that not obvious? But you let that slide....
I'm going to stand up for myself. Probably more so if I don't see anyone else doing it. If someone says something inaccurate, or gives something mean, I'll push back. What's the big deal? If you're going to disallow people to stand up for themselves, then you have to do it. And at least be even handed and disallow the ancestor comments. You gotta be fair otherwise it seems arbitrary, clawing and mean spirited. Hope you get it :)
Again, there's nothing accusatory about it. Stop moving the goal posts. People didn't like it. Instead of blaming me, and pretending "Cris wrote something bad", they need to face how they felt about it.
But to learn more about what you mean, how would you rewrite that in a way that sounds sympathetic/didactic to you?
In addition, what's wrong with suggesting you read the comments I just wrote? Maybe you'll learn something is not saying you are ignorant at all. Just saying I have something to offer that maybe you didn't think of. I think that's a totally valid and healthy way to think about my own contribution. If I wanted to call you an ignorant idiot, I just would have said it. So... I think that's you totally misinterpreting based on, probably, precisely the triggering issue I identify with eng culture. So thanks for proving my point. Because what's wrong with learning something? That's a good thing. Learning is a strength. Admitting "I don't know" is a pre-requisite, and acknowledging, "heck, someone else probably does know" is a corollary.
It's a theory about engineers but it fits a lot of the data I see. It's not a matter of being convinced otherwise, because it's not binary. There's not only one truth. It can be true for some people and not true for others. I think it's a useful theory that highlights how an aspect of the job/predilection affects/correlates with people socially. I'm comfortable believing it and also not believing every person with engineering skills needs to be like that.
I think your interpretation of bad intent is based on an overly inflexible reading of what my response to that question. It sounds like you want to find something bad there. It's not that hard to "presume good faith" and work to find that, rather than (as it looks like you did here) doubling down trying to "prove" I'm somehow doing something wrong.
Anyway, have a good one. Hopefully this was instructive somehow, if you're flexible enough to hear it. Just a different point of view, doesn't have to threaten your world view, just can be "something in addition" you add to your own perspective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it is a free-thinking rebellion against a certain type of conformity. I think that's a good thing, something that should be welcomed.
You don't know what's honest, hostile or pompous, only your interpretation. Pretend that's the truth? Don't impose that.
It's even harder through text when you don't have tone of voice, body language, other context. So you should be careful before leaping to accuse a hostile intent, don't you think?
Why should my comment be any less valid than the question. I don't think the question was bad at all. Don't judge stuff like that.
Your misinterpreting hostile intent should be a violation of the HN guidelines. That's not responding to the strongest version of what I said, that's misrepresenting to a straw man so you can hate on it. It's not my problem if you need to hate on something. That pal has nothing to do with me, so don't make it about me, huh?
Pretty clear I would think.
Also, "controversial" and "banal" depends on who you are, and context. When you put it like that...inspires me to think people maybe don't like having something obvious, but off-message pointed out to them? They want an answer, don't tell them to expand their mind.
But...teach people how to fish, not feed them, right?
Am I? Is it? I thought the characterization of people wanting an answer, not to be told to expand their mind, especially with something ambiguous was pretty accurate. That and a smaller number of people misinterpreting hostile intent.
I don't think it contradicts people also upvoting the submission. People like it, but don't want to be told they have to work for their own opinion on it. People come to comments expecting to get an opinion, not be told, "sorry, you're on your own with this one." Go back and read the comments I wrote here, maybe you'll learn something.
In addition, I do think engineers don't like having "what they don't know" pointed out to them, because they're job requires them to have answers. And I think they are willing to misinterpret that as hostile because of the shame they feel at not knowing something. It's just inaccurate projection. But in many other areas, ambiguity, openness and not having the answers are like good things.
I think people in hard tech can have more of that, that's all, bro.
Thanks. It brings a smile to my face how discussion forums take themselves so seriously, thinking they're all about robust discussion, but go batshit crazy on some dissenting points. I mean, this wasn't even flame war. I think a lot of it is about the medium, not the message. If you had a room of people, and I said that, maybe some engineer would have grumpily harrumphed and rolled their eyes, but I don't think it would have become a hate-fest or shouting match.
Think before you type, I guess. I do enjoy needling that narrow-mindedness like this tho, I think optimizing a little more for openness to experience is a good thing in the eng world.
There's no lack of charity. I would know, I wrote it. And the downvotes occurred before the community critique. Which also must have hit a nerve.
I think meta-questioning "do you even need to ask other's what this is about, why not let it work on you first" is responding to the strongest version of what was said, much stronger than simply answering the question.
People misinterpret dissent of the line for hostility, more so with something unfamiliar, where they want even more to have an answer "what is it". It's not very intellectually humble, but it is hilarious.
Interpreting hostility in my response ought to violate guidelines as well. Why should I be punished for others mistaken interpretations of hostility?
I think it's more about them reacting to their own misinterpretation.
I think it's a consequence of HN self-optimizes for people to be able to efficiently not just learn content from an article, but efficiently form an opinion from the comments. It's not so easy to form an opinion when there's multiple valid strands. I think people are projecting their expectation to not be confused.
"Don't tell me to expand my mind, just tell me what to think." It's not my problem if people get uncomfortable forming their own opinions sometimes. I think it's a good thing to have your own interpretation of Kicks Condor. That doesn't hurt anyone...but it might take you a bit of time/effort/discomfort to form it.
I guess I'm OK to do things that way because I grew up going to a lot of art galleries. Comfortable with ambiguity in some things. I think it's funny how engineers need everything to be explicit, and how that's connected to programming needing that as well. I think they could laugh at that about themselves, rather than getting seriously grumpy and hating on me...but hey, that's them, not me.
I guess the paradox of killing them all so quickly is it's unlikely the signal of poor quality propagates widely
first time I saw it was today and I thought it looked cool.
I think name and shame, street parade the criminal would be a good moderation idea. don't just highlight the best, highlight the worst. it helps reinforce standards
never seen a forum do that tho. it's always about the most liked